Dave's Area 51/Inda-gro combination grow

greatbranch

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your next run. you should try one plant with coco.. Its an idea since coco is a natural ph buffer. Doesnt retain moisture for more than a day though. My 5 gals are 50/50 soil /coco I have to water every otherday. I ve had a few days Ive lagged and they got super droopy but bounced back in minutes after watering..

rapid rooters are a good idea for hydro as dawg pointed out..I used to use them in soil too before I discovered that I can root clones directly in soil.
hyroot - how do you get your coco? I've found an 11 lb compressed block that I think is probably the best deal going. I ran hempy buckets with 50/50 sphagnum and perlite, and moved on to coco after learning about it. I now use cloth Geopots with the 50/50 coco/perlite mix, and I clone and sprout in the same mixture. I just prepare it differently. It's nice because it's neutral and NO BUGS come in it!
 

greatbranch

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Thanks, Mr Dawg! I'll try to flush the cubes for a while tonight. Maybe that will help. Next time I might plant my seeds in the Perlite as soon as they pop open. But those Rapid Rooter plugs sound interesting, too. Do you know what they're made of? They look like foam rubber or something.

I don't understand why people still use Rockwool with all the problems. The manufacturer should neutralize them before shipping them out. I'll never buy them again! :cuss:
I have been watching, because that hydro kit I just ordered comes with the hydroton rocks, and I hadn't worked with the cubes before. I think I'm going to continue using my mix for cloning or sprouting, rinse the roots, and trasplant into the rocks as seedlings. That shouldn't shock them too much, ya think?
 

daveroller

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Your girls are in trouble Dave, I would carefully remove them from the rockwool cubes asap and straight into the perlite. It absolutely looks like a ph(nutrient lock-out) issue to me, and without the initial prep your cubes will continue too leach an alkaline solution on your underdeveloped roots and take them out completely. OR a major ph corrected flush, but at this point I would go with the former option.

be safe grower and good call on lowering the IG.........I always run them as close as I can IF canopy temps cooperate.

Thanks, my friend. I started flushing these a lot tonight as you'll see in my next post. I hope it's not so serious. My plants are already perking up a little since I tightened up the watering rings yesterday. I'm really scared of removing them from the Rockwool, even though I know it would be the best thing for them if I could do it without damaging the roots. But that would be a last resort if nothing else works, because it sounds to me like very careful, painstaking surgery. Let's see how they look tomorrow...
 

daveroller

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Flushed the roots by setting the pump timer to
30 min on
60 min off.
Later I’ll reset it to pump for only 10 min per hour.

Teeny’s already catching up with the other 2 girls:



Here’s Lucy taking a shower



Ethel still looks like shit, but I think she’ll get better now:



I think that tightening up the watering rings already helped a lot. The worst thing was losing so much growing time. I’m not very happy about that. :cuss:
 

daveroller

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I have been watching, because that hydro kit I just ordered comes with the hydroton rocks, and I hadn't worked with the cubes before. I think I'm going to continue using my mix for cloning or sprouting, rinse the roots, and trasplant into the rocks as seedlings. That shouldn't shock them too much, ya think?

I used to use Peat plugs (not sure what they're called) for sprouting my seeds and then place the whole plug into a net pot like yours. I used the Hydroton to surround the Peat plug in the net basket. But I never tried putting bare roots in a pile of Hydroton, just because those clay pellets are hard. I was afraid of damaging the roots. Then again, it never was too cool when the Peat plug would occasionally break open and drop crud into my res for the duration of the grow. Mr Dawg can probably tell you what he did in his DWC system. Coco rules. I've read very good things about it over the years.

I would recommend boiling the Hydroton and then rinsing it under the kitchen faucet until the water runs clear. It's easy to reuse.
 

hyroot

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hyroot - how do you get your coco? I've found an 11 lb compressed block that I think is probably the best deal going. I ran hempy buckets with 50/50 sphagnum and perlite, and moved on to coco after learning about it. I now use cloth Geopots with the 50/50 coco/perlite mix, and I clone and sprout in the same mixture. I just prepare it differently. It's nice because it's neutral and NO BUGS come in it!
I get brick /bale of coco tek from the hydro shop.$10. Expands to almost 3 cu ft. I have a Rubbermaid with holes on the bottom. I place the brick in there and run water over the brick. It expands and breaks up. I continue to run water until the runoff water turns clear. By then all the salts have been rinsed out.
 

daveroller

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The Twins looked worse this morning, so I had to use my last resort and follow PSUAGRO's advice to remove them from their Rockwool cubes. It was a little easier than I thought. When the cubes are soaked, they break apart pretty easily. I might have lost some root, but these plants would have died without some intervention. I just replanted the Twins directly in the Perlite now.

Edit: It's just too bad that I lost so much growing time. I don't think my plants will be ready for harvest before my trip to DC... But hopefully I can leave them alone for 4 days near the end of their lives.

On the bright side, Teeny looks healthy and is already bigger than the Twins.​
 

daveroller

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Hey greatbranch, I was just thinking... You can use Rapid Rooters to grow your seedlings in and just plop each one into a net basket and surround it with Hydroton. The Rapid Rooter should hold together and won't drop pieces in your res like the Peat pots did to me. At least they look like they won't fall apart. Just a suggestion... I think that might work pretty well.
 

daveroller

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The Twins looked pretty bad today, so I'm not too hopeful that they'll survive.

SO....... I'm going to sprout 2 new seeds:
  • Critical Kush and
  • Chronic Thunder.
Those are the 2 free seeds I got from Barney's in my last order. They both have similar flowering times that are pretty short, just under 60 days. I grew the Critical Kush last time, not very successfully. The thick foliage gave me some problems growing it, but mainly I just made some nute-lockout mistakes that I think I can avoid this time. I never tried the Chronic Thunder, so I'm eager to find out how this girl will grow for me.

I definitely will go beyond my original schedule, but screw it! :bigjoint:
 

greatbranch

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Hey greatbranch, I was just thinking... You can use Rapid Rooters to grow your seedlings in and just plop each one into a net basket and surround it with Hydroton. The Rapid Rooter should hold together and won't drop pieces in your res like the Peat pots did to me. At least they look like they won't fall apart. Just a suggestion... I think that might work pretty well.
I appreciate it. You know I had been looking already :D. I will be ordering some in the near future.
 

greatbranch

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The Twins looked pretty bad today, so I'm not too hopeful that they'll survive.

SO....... I'm going to sprout 2 new seeds:
  • Critical Kush and
  • Chronic Thunder.
Those are the 2 free seeds I got from Barney's in my last order. They both have similar flowering times that are pretty short, just under 60 days. I grew the Critical Kush last time, not very successfully. The thick foliage gave me some problems growing it, but mainly I just made some nute-lockout mistakes that I think I can avoid this time. I never tried the Chronic Thunder, so I'm eager to find out how this girl will grow for me.

I definitely will go beyond my original schedule, but screw it! :bigjoint:
Now that you dropped seeds, they will turn around and surprise you. It's what happens to me...
 

daveroller

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Now that you dropped seeds, they will turn around and surprise you. It's what happens to me...

Murphy's Law... Ha! It always seems to happen that way.

Teeny's actually a twice the size of the other 2 sick girls already. So I think that Lucy & Ethel are too far gone. I tried...

After these seeds pop open and develop a root & stem, I'll try just planting them directly in the Perlite. Then I'll veg all 3 plants until they all look big enough and then switch to flower.
 

daveroller

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My new seeds just popped open a day or 2 ago:




But I discovered a problem in my hydro system late last night, just before the lights went out. Both water pumps stopped working sometime, probably yesterday, but I’m not sure. So I’ve been hand-watering Teeny every now and then until I got a chance to pull the pump out and look at it. I think it was only because it was tipped nose down and the water level got too low. So I put it back in the res on its side and crossed my fingers.

Here’s what gave me a clue that something was amiss:



⬆︎ Teeny’s leaves were getting pale. This is her today after fixing things.


Besides fixing the pump, I set up the Area 51 light for Teeny, rather than that hot Inda-Gro light, while her future neighbors are still in between paper towels:




It’s a lot cooler in the closet now:



Right now she's getting a flush with plain water, pH lowered to about 5.75. Tomorrow she'll get fresh nutes.

 

greatbranch

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My new seeds just popped open a day or 2 ago:
But I discovered a problem in my hydro system late last night, just before the lights went out. Both water pumps stopped working sometime, probably yesterday, but I’m not sure. So I’ve been hand-watering Teeny every now and then until I got a chance to pull the pump out and look at it. I think it was only because it was tipped nose down and the water level got too low. So I put it back in the res on its side and crossed my fingers.

Here’s what gave me a clue that something was amiss:

⬆︎ Teeny’s leaves were getting pale. This is her today after fixing things.


Besides fixing the pump, I set up the Area 51 light for Teeny, rather than that hot Inda-Gro light, while her future neighbors are still in between paper towels:


It’s a lot cooler in the closet now:

Right now she's getting a flush with plain water, pH lowered to about 5.75. Tomorrow she'll get fresh nutes.
I gotta admit, Dave. I am getting awfully nervous about venturing into hydro. Pumps...power outages...I am figuring out that I have to have a disaster plan. Lots of guys run redundant air pumps in case of a pump failure. Thinking maybe I should invest in one. More air will just be a good thing, I think. Any idea how long plants can stay in stagnant water before death? I guess during a power outage, I can pull the res,so the roots are in the air, and hand feed until the power comes back on, but worried what happens if I am not home?...these are the nightmares you guys have...well, maybe not you...you have a bit of a hybrid thing going on there that gives you a little bit of a buffer - I never really paid any attention to the differences or their reasoning before.

On a side note, I just got my bubbleponics system. I'm trying to do some homework before starting it up in late July.
 

daveroller

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I gotta admit, Dave. I am getting awfully nervous about venturing into hydro. Pumps...power outages...I am figuring out that I have to have a disaster plan. Lots of guys run redundant air pumps in case of a pump failure. Thinking maybe I should invest in one. More air will just be a good thing, I think. Any idea how long plants can stay in stagnant water before death? I guess during a power outage, I can pull the res,so the roots are in the air, and hand feed until the power comes back on, but worried what happens if I am not home?...these are the nightmares you guys have...well, maybe not you...you have a bit of a hybrid thing going on there that gives you a little bit of a buffer - I never really paid any attention to the differences or their reasoning before.

On a side note, I just got my bubbleponics system. I'm trying to do some homework before starting it up in late July.

That's why it's hard to leave your house for even a few days while you're growing in hydro. When something goes wrong, the plant can suffer pretty fast.
 

daveroller

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I killed my DWC in 3 days. The pump sucked up against the side of the res and stop the water flow.
I have had to use an inverter (700w) attached to a car battery before when the power went out. Works great for backup on small grows.

I really like that car battery idea! I have an inverter that puts out a lot of watts. Did you rig it somehow to automatically kick in when your house current went out? I wouldn't know how to do that.
 
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