abstinence only christians in your face again

[UncleBuck]

you so clearly are uneducated about the subject.

says the guy who thinks psychology is a form of therapy.

examples please, don't make my prediction come true so easily.

 

[UncleBuck]

i recall reading about how some students many years ago presented themselves as a test
to the local hospital they pretended to have symptoms of mental illness

one of them said he heard noises "thud" "thump"
other than this they both gave the exact same symptoms
one was diagnosed with bi-polar the other schizophrenia
misdiagnosis is very common
don't think much has changed today
doctors that fix broken body parts can do a good job at mending things
doctors that try to fix broken minds do have a much harder task i admit
but they don't seem to be very good at it, i think all the crazy folk in the world hooked on prescription medicine is evidence of their failure
sad really

kinda sounds like you are describing therapy over psychology (or even psychiatry).

maybe try citing some of the most meaningful and important psychological studies and describe to me how the science was not properly quantified, or repeatable, or the like.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

what are you talking about ?

i have no position either , you are making assumptions

You seem to be pointing out that psychology is less then creditable, no?

If so your position is weak.

 

[ginwilly]

says the guy who thinks psychology is a form of therapy.

examples please, don't make my prediction come true so easily.

examples of psychotherapy or examples of subjective findings?

edit: please tell me you are just messing with me and are being completely idiotic on purpose to get a rise.

 

[UncleBuck]

examples of psychotherapy or examples of subjective findings?

i want examples of key psychological findings, experiments, studies and the like which violate what i stated earlier:

psychology is chock full of testable predictions, controlled experiments, quantifiable data, mathematical models, and high degrees of objectivity and accuracy. those are the components of science.

or feel free to demonstrate once again that you don't even understand the difference between therapy and psychology.

 

[skunkd0c]

kinda sounds like you are describing therapy over psychology (or even psychiatry).

maybe try citing some of the most meaningful and important psychological studies and describe to me how the science was not properly quantified, or repeatable, or the like.

kinda sounds like you misread or have no idea what you're talking about
lol Therapists do not diagnose, this is clinical psychiatry

 

[ginwilly]

i want examples of key psychological findings, experiments, studies and the like which violate what i stated earlier:

psychology is chock full of testable predictions, controlled experiments, quantifiable data, mathematical models, and high degrees of objectivity and accuracy. those are the components of science.

or feel free to demonstrate once again that you don't even understand the difference between therapy and psychology.

From the American Psychological Association home page. You know, the association for psychologists.
http://www.apa.org/topics/therapy/psychotherapy-approaches.aspx

Wow, you can't be this dense, fer reelz man.

 

[UncleBuck]

kinda sounds like you misread or have no idea what you're talking about
lol Therapists do not diagnose, this is clinical psychiatry

when psychiatrists prescribe medications, do they quantify amounts of medicine to be administered with quantifiable, high degrees of accuracy, make predictions about the effects said medicines will have, and objective measures by which they may determine the efficacy of the medicine?

 

[skunkd0c]

You seem to be pointing out that psychology is less then creditable, no?

If so your position is weak.

How did i give you that impression ?

 

[UncleBuck]

From the American Psychological Association home page. You know, the association for psychologists.
http://www.apa.org/topics/therapy/psychotherapy-approaches.aspx

Wow, you can't be this dense, fer reelz man.

so are you poking holes into the theories of classical and operant conditioning?

is there some flaw in pavlov's work that you have recently exposed now that the whole sandra fluke conspiracy has fallen flat?

is desensitization through incremental exposures just a "subjective" thing with no objective basis in reality?

posting a link to different types of therapy (ie applying the scientific findings of psychology) is really meaningless and leaves me wondering what the hell you are blathering about.

 

[ginwilly]

when psychiatrists prescribe medications, do they quantify amounts of medicine to be administered with quantifiable, high degrees of accuracy, make predictions about the effects said medicines will have, and objective measures by which they may determine the efficacy of the medicine?

And?

Compare our ADHD diagnosis and prescriptions to that of, oh, say France... look, I happen to have something from Psychology today
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/suffer-the-children/201203/why-french-kids-dont-have-adhd

Seems a bit subjective wouldn't you say?

 

[ginwilly]

so are you poking holes into the theories of classical and operant conditioning?

is there some flaw in pavlov's work that you have recently exposed now that the whole sandra fluke conspiracy has fallen flat?

is desensitization through incremental exposures just a "subjective" thing with no objective basis in reality?

posting a link to different types of therapy (ie applying the scientific findings of psychology) is really meaningless and leaves me wondering what the hell you are blathering about.

Look at you backpeddling, how cute.
I'm not the one that claimed psychology had nothing to do with therapy. Is the term psychotherapy also a fake word made up to further the racist neoconfederate agenda? You need a little psychotherapy.

One of the applications of psychological therapy given on that page was homeopathic, nope, nothing subjective about that at all.

 

[skunkd0c]

when psychiatrists prescribe medications, do they quantify amounts of medicine to be administered with quantifiable, high degrees of accuracy, make predictions about the effects said medicines will have, and objective measures by which they may determine the efficacy of the medicine?

mentally ill patients are prescribed a cocktail of mind altering drugs
they ask the patient to "test" which one works best for them and which gives the least side effects"

sounds like hit and miss to me on this count

do you really support mentally ill folk getting hooked on prescribed drugs ?
im sure you will know many folk have ditched these for weed
many folk who suffer with mental illness find coming off these drugs as hard or harder than the illness itself

 

[UncleBuck]

Look at you backpeddling, how cute.
I'm not the one that claimed psychology had nothing to do with therapy.

One of the applications of psychological therapy given on that page was homeopathic, nope, nothing subjective about that at all.

so your proof that psychology is a "soft science" is "hey look at some of these forms of therapy!".

do you understand that therapy is an application of psychology, some of it built off the very scientific, objective, quantifiable, and repeatable findings from the field of psychology, while other forms of therapy have almost nothing to do with said findings?

is your brain unable to comprehend that simple concept?

i remain waiting for your examples of flaws in the scientific field of psychology (not therapy).

 

[skunkd0c]

ativan/lorazepam was banned from prescription
they thought they had this right for over 30 years lol

psychiatrists/doctors prescribed it like it was going out of fashion
people complained for years about it before action was taken

do you think mistakes like this will never happen again ?
im sure they will get it right one day

 

[ginwilly]

so your proof that psychology is a "soft science" is "hey look at some of these forms of therapy!".

do you understand that therapy is an application of psychology, some of it built off the very scientific, objective, quantifiable, and repeatable findings from the field of psychology, while other forms of therapy have almost nothing to do with said findings?

is your brain unable to comprehend that simple concept?

i remain waiting for your examples of flaws in the scientific field of psychology (not therapy).

Now it's flaws, before it was examples of subjective orientation. Get your outrages in order and tell me what you want to know and I'll do my best to dumb it down for you. I tried with asking you about your feelings but that went right over your head so I'll try to make it as simple as possible.

Do you want a specific flaw or just in general? I know you realize by now how idiotic you are being over the term soft science and are just trying to save face, but I can't help you if you can't make a coherent argument.

 

[skunkd0c]

doesn't Prozac make teenagers kill themselves or something like that ?

 

[AlecTheGardener]

doesn't Prozac make teenagers kill themselves or something like that ?

Cite it or it is hyperbole.

 

[skunkd0c]

Cite it or it is hyperbole.

lol why do you think you are some kind of ring master ?

find it yourself www.google.com

 

[AlecTheGardener]

lol why do you think you are some kind of ring master ?

find it yourself www.google.com

You made a claim. Back it up.