Do you think this seed will sprout?
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GR0WL0
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Thanks! What makes it prone to being a hermie? Is sprouting them at a young age stressful or something? Sorry, just trying to learn.
kmog33
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Well you found a seed in a female bud right? Usually when theyres only one like that its because something hermed a tiny bit and now you have a fem seed that's prone to herm.
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AlecTheGardener
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Cultivators have a goal of sensimilla, seedless flowers.
If you acquire a bag of flowers with seeds this may mean the strain the cultivator was growing is prone to intersexual traits. (Hermie)
Or the cultivator had a mishap and they were pollinated.
kmog33
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Agreed but generally if it was pollinated youd get a bunch of seeds not just one
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Abiqua
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I grow and breed fem seeds. Initially 3 years ago, I had 3 or 4 femmed females develop intersex flowers and seeded.
I have grown out about 100 of those seeds in the last year, about 5 developed the same intersex flowers and seeded again, hermies.
The rest have all been female, in fact I have never pulled a male only .About a 5% rate of "hermies".
I say intersex, because the 5% rate produces seed that, are also femmed seeds for all intense purposes. Even though the flowers like male, its all female pollen [ladyboy]
I have yet to pull an intersex plant from the 5% rate going forward, as all have been females. But I have only sprouted about 10-15 of the S2's that developed.
Plants that hermie are no more prone to being a hermaphrodite then any regular produced female. That's the theory so far. If every hermie seed was prone to hermie, femmed seeds wouldn't really be a market.
So in short, with a limited sample size, my experience is that a hermied seed in this case from a female intersex plant only reverts to being a hermie 5% of the time.
As far as I am aware, there are 4 natural strategies of reproduction in Cannabis, one being a M x F, another being F x F[intersex, femmed] and possibilities of males turning into females/female flowers or M x M [opposite of femmed]
I have grown out about 100 of those seeds in the last year, about 5 developed the same intersex flowers and seeded again, hermies.
The rest have all been female, in fact I have never pulled a male only .About a 5% rate of "hermies".
I say intersex, because the 5% rate produces seed that, are also femmed seeds for all intense purposes. Even though the flowers like male, its all female pollen [ladyboy]
I have yet to pull an intersex plant from the 5% rate going forward, as all have been females. But I have only sprouted about 10-15 of the S2's that developed.
Plants that hermie are no more prone to being a hermaphrodite then any regular produced female. That's the theory so far. If every hermie seed was prone to hermie, femmed seeds wouldn't really be a market.
So in short, with a limited sample size, my experience is that a hermied seed in this case from a female intersex plant only reverts to being a hermie 5% of the time.
As far as I am aware, there are 4 natural strategies of reproduction in Cannabis, one being a M x F, another being F x F[intersex, femmed] and possibilities of males turning into females/female flowers or M x M [opposite of femmed]
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kmog33
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Abiqua
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So, what would be the difference?
kmog33
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Forcing a female to produce male flowers with colloidal silver doesnt destabilize genetics. Hermies are unstable genetics. Seeds from herms will be more likely to produce seeds than fem seeds. If fems are made correctly there shouldnt be much of a chance of herming and making seeds. And every generation of seeds you use from herms will be less stable.
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AlecTheGardener
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A cultivar that is prone to intersex plant parts shouldn't be used for breeding stock, more intersex offspring is typically the result.
We can 'make' intersex plants by applying colloidal silver and avoid introducing genetics that have this intersex tendency.
Abiqua
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Like I said, in my sample size I passed the trait onto 5%, so it was replicated, while 95% didn't show the trait. I think and from reading, the word hermie gets thrown around too much and means several things. Botanically speaking it is very narrowly defined.
My sample size would say otherwise. I can live with a 5% rate. I have had traditional strains hermie more and less. And even though the sample size is even smaller and almost a non-factor the 10+ girls I have finished from the S2's did not breed true for the intersex trait.
Not saying it won't or that I might need to breed from better stock, however, my experience suggests otherwise.
kmog33
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I have a strain my buddy gave me thats about 90% chance of seeding. Great bud, just pretty much guaranteed youre going to get seeds. I have never heard growing from herm seeds giving 95% fems. Not saying its impossible butvit sounds more like someone had stable genetics they stressed out and ended up with a couple seeds that still had mostly stable genetics but that 5% still is showing the herm trait was introduced.
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AlecTheGardener
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It is simply not a preferred trait, I cull all intersex plants from any breeding programs immediately.
A very poor trait, 5% is still too much for myself.
On a large scale this is a lot, professional breeders cull intersex plants, they also sell a whole lot of seed. Scale. Makes sense.
Have you done serious testing on your stock that came from the intersex? Often times the trait will not show until the plant is stressed. Hardy genetic stock will chug along growing as it should after the stress period ends, intersex stock will often begin throwing male plant parts.
A very poor trait, 5% is still too much for myself.
On a large scale this is a lot, professional breeders cull intersex plants, they also sell a whole lot of seed. Scale. Makes sense.
Have you done serious testing on your stock that came from the intersex? Often times the trait will not show until the plant is stressed. Hardy genetic stock will chug along growing as it should after the stress period ends, intersex stock will often begin throwing male plant parts.
oilmaker68
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fortune favors the brave..........grow that seed, if nothing else the experience is invaluable