Hermie... Well this is different..
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Sativied
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While cannabis is a dioecious plant (male and female flowers on different plants) some show monoecious tendencies, like yours, i.e. male and female flowers on same (mono) plant, but separately. Whether that is because it actually has monoecious behavior genetically or it just happened to herm (earlier) partly and just happened to grow out like that...who knows... (nobody).
racerboy71
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that is a true hermie plant, not one caused by stress or what have you, but caused from the genetics..
i think it's called a monoecious hermie.. here's a cnp job below..
A “monoecious” hermaphrodite cannabis plant will show fully formed pollen sacs on some parts of the plant, but will be growing buds on other parts of the plant. Generally, a monoecious hermaphrodite plant does not have both male and female parts growing from the same place (often referred to a “bisexual” flowers) - they will have fully formed male parts in some places, and fully formed female parts in others.
from here..
http://www.growweedeasy.com/male-plants-bananas-hermies
that's a pretty good read on hermies in case you're interested in learning more..
i think it's called a monoecious hermie.. here's a cnp job below..
A “monoecious” hermaphrodite cannabis plant will show fully formed pollen sacs on some parts of the plant, but will be growing buds on other parts of the plant. Generally, a monoecious hermaphrodite plant does not have both male and female parts growing from the same place (often referred to a “bisexual” flowers) - they will have fully formed male parts in some places, and fully formed female parts in others.
from here..
http://www.growweedeasy.com/male-plants-bananas-hermies
that's a pretty good read on hermies in case you're interested in learning more..
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
lol, you must've been typing that up at the same time i was, lol..
kmog33
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No theyre too manly, just throw out twice as many balls
Haha sry im really high
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Sativied
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Yes males can spawn female parts too. It's less common mostly because most people don't grow out males as many.
Indoor Sun King
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have you ever had a male become a hermie....I have heard of this but have never seen any pic's
cjishigh
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Very interesting guys!! I learned something new today. Thank you all!!! Now I decided to chop the male branch and let the female grow. Now I'm guessing that will cause them female part to Hermie...?? All I know is I want some bud... Although it may have seed and reduced yield. I just want some personal smoke. Now I do have one other seedling going at the moment. I plan to start more and find a good mother for my perpetual grow that will start in a few months. Stay posted.. Stay High!! Please reply!!! Lol check out https://www.rollitup.org/t/2014-cfl-grow.833531/#post-10655274
kermit2692
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Lol...ya that's a full on hermie and is very rare if you are choosing from good breeders.. nothing good can come of it, you need to chop the whole thing and either protect the other females or start all over... If that is your only plant sorry to hear that but live and learn never run just one
Sativied
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Personally no. It would be odd if I would have, because if the ratio would be the same as for the females I've flowered (which I'm not claiming it is, just saying it could be) then I would have seen about 0.02 male hermies now. Males are often removed quickly at the first signs of flowering, who knows what some of all those culled males would have turned in to.
Plenty of pics on the web though (try google for 'backward hermie' or 'reverse hermie' or just male hermie), and some breeders actually do it on purpose to test (smoke) a male. DJ Short calls them jewels even supposedly they create more female offspring, if not sterile (I don't believe the former).
The thing is, you can never really tell if it's a male that hermied, or was a masculine female, i.e. a female that committed to expressing itself as a male first, despite having female sex genes.
This line sums it up nicely: "The sexual phenotype of Cannabis often shows some flexibility leading to the differentiation of hermaphrodite flowers or bisexual inflorescences (monoecious phenotype)." (src: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10681-004-4758-7 )
Without lab analysis it's simply impossibly to determine with certainty whether it's a male that turned partly female or a female that expressed itself as male first or is just completely confused and spawns both parts mixed at the same time.
Also note they specifically say "hermaphrodite flowers" (male and female in same flower cluster) and "bisexual inflorescences (monoecious phenotype)" which is what the OP has.
Actual "hermaphrodite plants" have messed up sex genes (more than two alleles) and to my knowledge (which means little) have only been detected in hemp strains decades ago. Which is why I always have difficulty with "real hermie", because there's no such thing in practice, they are female or males that spawned herma / bisexual flowers.
So, no, it's not really a herma in the OP, not hermie flowers, nor hermie plant, it's a female with bisexual inflorescences (monoecious phenotype). Which yes, we all call hermie anyway, which is fine as it really doesn't matter what type of hermie it is (according to a similar research paper there are 5 types, perhaps another time
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cjishigh
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I normally would never just run one but truly I just wanted to see something green growing... It brightens up my day you know... It's very therapeutic and puts me in a good mood. Plus if I get a little bit of bud then great. I need to get my other setup fully functioning. I am planning on getting a 400 watt and better ventilation.
kermit2692
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A word only takes on the meaning given to it.. the phrase real hermie has taken on a meaning that makes the statement true. Most plants will throw a sack here or there if left too long so a few sacks in your bud has been looked at as not a full on true hermie whereas the rare full plant right from the beginning hermie is referred to as a true herm, this is for differentiation purposes and has come to mean what we want it to regardless of symantecs..
kermit2692
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For sure i agree better to run one just for fun than none at all!! Just unfortunate if it goes south :/
Sativied
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That sounds convenient.
The OP asked what caused the sex split, in which case making the distinction between monoecious trait and hermaphrodite is not just a matter of semantics (which wouldn't work with 'true' anyway, if you say true it better be true). Call it whatever you want how often you want, for all practical purposes they should be treated the same, but it's not going to become a true herma in any sense of the word. It's the lack of proper terminology combined with a lack of knowledge and the stoner lingo that keeps so many in the dark about hermies.
kermit2692
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Not really you could have just said genetics caused it instead of calling out the Symantecs of what i and others said.. As you say yourself doesn't really matter what kind of hermie it is, which you say only lines after saying it isn't a hermie at all... what people are differentiating between when saying full hermie is not where the sacks are forming to decide if it's actually a scientific hermaphrodite, its simply a way to differentiate between a plant that will continue to throw balls in abundance and a plant that let's out a few pollen sacks and won't be a problem to you
Sativied
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So what exactly is your problem, me being too specific for you or calling out the semantics of what you said... "True hermie' is a misnomer for this plant, nothing personal
kermit2692
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It's cool no problem just got a little under my skin because you are being a nicker.. I don't expect you to understand what that means but trust me you qualified
Sativied
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Is that one of those words you repeated so many times to give it a meaning
Let's see if I understand:Fixed that for ya. And it's ok, I see it every day, comes with being intellectual honest (the proper term...
see link in sig) in a cannabis forum. 
kermit2692
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Ahhhh hahahaha now i have to show this to a mutual friend of the nicker because you are just driving my point home..