Which one now? LED or CMH

[6 Leaf General]

Ok so been consulting for couple weeks on my choice for my 4x4

option 1 is 2x A51 XGS190 at the cost of 950 bucks and 380w
although I was recommended to go with 6x rw75 at the cost of 1500 bucks and 450w
option 2 im considering 2x Philips 315 CMH Agro at the cost of 430 bucks and 630w <Already pushing my limit on the wattage

So..if anyone wants to drop some wisdom ashes in the ashtray..advice would be nice
Ive never used anything but leds btw..been using this apollo8 for 2+ years now in a 4x2 and heat isnt an issue which is a big concern for me in my next step

 

[jijiandfarmgang]

HPS

- Jiji

 

[rob333]

buy a hps and watch them plants go crazy led lights are not gunna do it for a wile yet well they do but be honest ones i have been looking at for 2-3 grand to cover what my 2 600 watt lights do be honest there a wast of money and also with hps one light blows leds alot blow mate u are just shooting urself in the foot with leds alot of people complain about heat issues i say dont be a jew fork out 40 -60 bucks get a inline u will never get as good with leds as u will with hps for price my mate runs leds spent a good 10 grand on his setup and i tell ya he has been haven dramas with em ever since

 

[rob333]

if u want to be funk go plasma lights there ok in a way wikked for veg sad for flower but hands down they arnt half bad

 

[PetFlora]

I just completed a grow using a BML SPYDR 600, which has an actual 3 x 3 footprint with uniform canopy light.

It will easily cover 4 x 4

See the results in my thread

 

[thx.1138]

I just took down a 1000 HPS that was causing too much trouble with heat, and its overkill as a personal medical supply. I went instead with a Mars II 700 and two Area 51 RW150's. I have a Badboy T5 thats a 4 foot, 8 bulb unit in my 4 by 4 tent.
I will soon move my two Area 51's to my veg (removing the T5) and add another Mars II 700 to my flower. The flowers are coming in with more trichomes earlier in flower on the same clones than they were in the same flower room with the 1000 HPS.
HPS was pushing my plants hard, giving more volume I don't need and at some expense beyond energy costs which are yet to be fully determined. My flowers are looking nice under LED.

 

[6 Leaf General]

Ok thank you all for input...although not worried about hps thanks anyway for the respective advice
ive boiled it down now to these options after tracking threads all day,,
options are now
(2) a51 XGS190 w/ (1) RW-150 =~1500bucks

or

BML Spydr600 although only seen PetFlora's thread..dude knws about these leds and I trust his knowledge on the subject

I cant look at the Apache because its ridiculously expensive..

I like the CMH Philips Agro 315w bulb..heard nothing but positive on these babies about their spectrum and what not..

and for some reason im not seeing much people using California Light works..I was even considering (2) Solarflares
I would like to know whats the 411 with them..
but overall..i understand a51 would most likely be the ultimate choice in terms of quality and recommendations
oh yea and whats the deal with these...http://www.advancedledlights.com/3w-led-grow-lights/new-diamond-series-xml-10w-cree-xml/ ?
thanks

 

[a senile fungus]

I was also looking at the CMH tech, just wish it was a bit cheaper.

 

[kmog33]

I just completed a grow using a BML SPYDR 600, which has an actual 3 x 3 footprint with uniform canopy light.

It will easily cover 4 x 4

See the results in my thread

So you did finish your grow with it? Got a journal anywhere?

Sent from my LG-LS980 using Rollitup mobile app

 

[6 Leaf General]

I was also looking at the CMH tech, just wish it was a bit cheaper.

it is cheap...
http://advancedtechlighting.com/cdmmw.htm

 

[6 Leaf General]

So you did finish your grow with it? Got a journal anywhere?

Sent from my LG-LS980 using Rollitup mobile app

https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/801171-mixing-white-multi-spectrum-chip.html
thats it there i think

 

[a senile fungus]

https://sunlightsupply.com/shop/bycategory/sun-system-complete-systems/sun-system-lec-315-light-emitting-ceramic-fixture

Is that the same as this?

 

[a senile fungus]

Can't tell right now, will be easier once I'm on computer and not using phone...

If they are the same then I'm buying a couple tomorrow

 

[6 Leaf General]

Can't tell right now, will be easier once I'm on computer and not using phone...

If they are the same then I'm buying a couple tomorrow

nah not the same...that Philips is supposed to be the shit...not sure about the ones you posted..i dont know shit about these lights myself either..but seen nothing but good talk with the Philips CMH

 

[highdrawlux]

Led and some petflora wisdom. And depending on your grow style(ie how many plants) I say 600w hps or x2 400w much and hps. And the whole setup strategically set up and ventilated so as to use bare bulb reflectors.

 

[Abiqua]

Ok thank you all for input...although not worried about hps thanks anyway for the respective advice
ive boiled it down now to these options after tracking threads all day,,
options are now
(2) a51 XGS190 w/ (1) RW-150 =~1500bucks

or

BML Spydr600 although only seen PetFlora's thread..dude knws about these leds and I trust his knowledge on the subject

I cant look at the Apache because its ridiculously expensive..

I like the CMH Philips Agro 315w bulb..heard nothing but positive on these babies about their spectrum and what not..

and for some reason im not seeing much people using California Light works..I was even considering (2) Solarflares
I would like to know whats the 411 with them..
but overall..i understand a51 would most likely be the ultimate choice in terms of quality and recommendations
oh yea and whats the deal with these...http://www.advancedledlights.com/3w-led-grow-lights/new-diamond-series-xml-10w-cree-xml/ ?
thanks

You can get the Apache 660 for around $2G's...For what you are willing to spend, doesn't seem that like that much of a stretch. Only ridiculously expensive when someone is contemplating 150w's or so, you seem past that.

What you should contemplate is doing a Cree CXA cob fixture. Save some damn money and get the best efficiency and PAR out of just about anything on the market.
[1 CXA 52w setup] is about $65 [4 per 2x2] then just extrapolate your size.

Can't knock the Philips either, but you will be dealing with heat issues, not as bad as HPS but more than a quality led.

@rob333, put down the crackpipe brotha....

 

[6 Leaf General]

You can get the Apache 660 for around $2G's...For what you are willing to spend, doesn't seem that like that much of a stretch. Only ridiculously expensive when someone is contemplating 150w's or so, you seem past that.

What you should contemplate is doing a Cree CXA cob fixture. Save some damn money and get the best efficiency and PAR out of just about anything on the market.
[1 CXA 52w setup] is about $65 [4 per 2x2] then just extrapolate your size.

Can't knock the Philips either, but you will be dealing with heat issues, not as bad as HPS but more than a quality led.

@rob333, put down the crackpipe brotha....

how about u build me a badass light wit these cob fixtures for my 4x4 and i pay YOU the money..then you can make it better than the xgs190s for me

 

[6 Leaf General]

I know nothing about assembling leds....yet alone electronics period

 

[Abiqua]

how about u build me a badass light wit these cob fixtures for my 4x4 and i pay YOU the money..then you can make it better than the xgs190s for me

A soldering iron and 5 minutes to watch a video is all you need. It wouldn't be $65 if I did it .

But the CXA 3070's are killing it right now, although, supplementation might important beyond the cob's too, i.e 630 660 red.

 

[Abiqua]

I know nothing about assembling leds....yet alone electronics period

Seriously, you can be taught in a night or two.

Growing is way harder to learn, than setting up a functional LED, especially COBS, they cake walk it, now-a-daze.