Calling all First Nations Canadians - I have an idea, and I need your help!

[Yessica...]

I'm working on it. Wish I had thought of this YEARS ago. I could have had 1000 Native's talking to their Bands and members, instead of only a few...

 

[gb123]

The real problem will show, when the WORK comes.
Most would rather stay home and take hand outs.
When they start telling us that they need more...we give it to them to quiet them down. Self governing my ass.

We pay them to stay put.

 

[kDude]

i've always wished they'd push us all to be more self-sufficient and get off our big oil addiction and current earth destroying habits.. be the model the rest of the world aspires to.
make reserves a place of pride instead of an eyesore.
i don't mean this offensive (and am going to have a hard time explaining my vision) but they have a great opportunity to create a sort of utopian community with a sustainable lifestyle. they have the land, people, and community.
i'm sure the res would be less depressing if it were a better place to live.
why rely on white mans money when they could be self sufficient? almost like their ancestors but in a futuristic setting.

wont deny it'd take a lot of doing (and i honestly don't ever see it happening) but i just think it'd be so fitting for the natives to show us green living can work, and live non destructive to the environment.

that's always been my pipe dream for them.

 

[gb123]

"why rely on white mans money when they could be self sufficient?"

It's easier. They think.
Hand outs don't work. They are the only ones responsible to change who they are!

Just like Addicts!!!!

 

[Yessica...]

"why rely on white mans money when they could be self sufficient?"

It's easier. They think.
Hand outs don't work. They are the only ones responsible to change who they are!

Just like Addicts!!!!

That's the first step - so many of them are addicts, or recovering addicts, or suffering with a slew of mental and health problems.

If, as a whole, they were healthier - then there would be much more likelihood of them Wanting to change their situations by actions, not only words.

 

[Yessica...]

My one friend LOVES work...he begs to come up to camp to work. And he is the HARDEST working human person I have ever met.

But he can't just go to the city, and find a better job. Everyone he has known his entire life, pretty much, live in Martin Falls. He also has 2 small children and a lady to think of. If they moved to a place with more jobs, their support system of friends and family would disappear.

If there was work for him within the community, I'd bet my life he would be ALL OVER it. A lot of people I know would.

Especially if it was growing the pot!

 

[leaffan]

i've always wished they'd push us all to be more self-sufficient and get off our big oil addiction and current earth destroying habits.. be the model the rest of the world aspires to.
make reserves a place of pride instead of an eyesore.
i don't mean this offensive (and am going to have a hard time explaining my vision) but they have a great opportunity to create a sort of utopian community with a sustainable lifestyle. they have the land, people, and community.
i'm sure the res would be less depressing if it were a better place to live.
why rely on white mans money when they could be self sufficient? almost like their ancestors but in a futuristic setting.

wont deny it'd take a lot of doing (and i honestly don't ever see it happening) but i just think it'd be so fitting for the natives to show us green living can work, and live non destructive to the environment.

that's always been my pipe dream for them.

Hmmm...they have been living what you call that "utopian" lifestyle for thousands of years. It has only changed in the last three hundred years. Only one thing has changed in that time frame....

 

[leaffan]

The real problem will show, when the WORK comes.
Most would rather stay home and take hand outs.
When they start telling us that they need more...we give it to them to quiet them down. Self governing my ass.

We pay them to stay put.

Maybe they want to stay at home and "take hand outs" because they have lost hope.

 

[Yessica...]

Maybe they want to stay at home and "take hand outs" because they have lost hope.

I know I would if I were them. I KNOW I couldn't handle half of that shit.

 

[kDude]

Hmmm...they have been living what you call that "utopian" lifestyle for thousands of years. It has only changed in the last three hundred years. Only one thing has changed in that time frame....

lol true enough eh
and we're still 'westernizing' the rest of the world today.. wont they be soo thankful
amazing how much destruction we've caused to this world since becoming so smart

 

[sunni]

My one friend LOVES work...he begs to come up to camp to work. And he is the HARDEST working human person I have ever met.

But he can't just go to the city, and find a better job. Everyone he has known his entire life, pretty much, live in Martin Falls. He also has 2 small children and a lady to think of. If they moved to a place with more jobs, their support system of friends and family would disappear.

If there was work for him within the community, I'd bet my life he would be ALL OVER it. A lot of people I know would.

Especially if it was growing the pot!

why cant he get a job in town?

i keep trying to find the words to make this make sense, but why are we differentiating the differences between the rest of canada and the natives.
we should all be united with one, and the natives should still be able to go to school for free, have tax exemption no licenses for fishing,hunting ect.i would never promote or suggest taking away what little privileges we gave them


The problem is when you live in a small town, like mine you have to move to for work, native or not. thats how you make a living , thats whats wrong with canada not a lot of jobs in smaller towns. so most people drive to the bigger towns to work either have a commute or move

theres no difference between me having to move from my small city to Sudbury to get a job in my career field where i have to leave my family friends and support , than your friend. were just people ....native, white, whatever were people and thats the disadvantages of living in smaller areas. no jobs.

it makes it seem like its heartbreaking for him cause hes native, but its a regular thing for me cause im italian?maybe i too dont want to leave my support system...

I guess the natives in my small town are luckier because the rez is actually in town and not 20 mins out of town, but , we have many campy areas like wawa, and hamilton beach where people live and guess what, to work they drive in...cause theres no jobs in wawa or hamilton beach thats just the sad fact of living in a remote location...
either commute to work or move dont make it into a race issue.

The simple fact of the matter is given the economy of the rez;s even if you did put up more job locations, no one would buy from the businesses. Because technically white people arent allowed to buy from the natives. I go to the rez to buy my cigerettes.., so I drive there, they dont question me because I look native and can speak the native language in my area, but as soon as a white person comes into the store they refuse sale.

And since most natives dont have jobs because they are either unable to or dont want to, or whatever the issue, their businesses wont stand to produce enough money to stay ergo , no one would get hired ..its like a catch 22. so how do we fix it without making this into a race war?

the simple matter of fact is the current generation of kids are lazy, this isnt about being native, or white the generation going into college /uni right now is fucking lazy.
I certainly wish more native highschoolers would take advantage of going to college/university for free because why shouldnt they? they could create a better life , they have the means to do so...but do they have willpower and motivation...and i simply flat out refuse to have anyone tell me because of their bad living conditions they have no motivation ..
I lived in terrible conditions, i was a very poor child...i grew up very very poor barely any food, no heat in the house in winter getting evicted ect.
so no i dont take excuses , if you want something youll achieve it. but the goddamn current generation just wants shit handed to them native or not.


some one already mentioned that growing pot for natives would be a pretty bad idea i agree, not because they shouldnt be allowed but because of the current stigma in our country towards pot, if we allowed them to grow marijuana, im sure most would use it responsibly,...but given the high crime rate and drug selling of most of the current generation it would also create alot of bad apples to pop up.
and that would just make it worse on the native culture and people.

 

[Yessica...]

Well, moving from a city is always rough...for sure.

But moving away from a fly-in community? UNless you're rich - you can't ever go home again. Those flights are PRICEY! And your family can NEVER visit? Or NEVER see you again?

I don't know - it sounds like a rock in a hard place to me....

 

[sunni]

Well, moving from a city is always rough...for sure.

But moving away from a fly-in community? UNless you're rich - you can't ever go home again. Those flights are PRICEY! And your family can NEVER visit? Or NEVER see you again?

I don't know - it sounds like a rock in a hard place to me....

marten falls is in ontario in the northern woods.....did it suddenly become an island last i check? lol

 

[sunni]

nvm it is a fucking island....thinking of somewhere else cant use a boat?

 

[Yessica...]

marten falls is in ontario in the northern woods.....did it suddenly become an island last i check? lol

Everyone I know flies there. Always. Its about 2 hour float plane from Nakina. Surrounded by bogs, rivers, lakes, marsh.

Maybe you could get there not in the sky if you had a water-tank? hahaha

 

[sunni]

shouldnt there be a bridge there? like most places like that they should be a bridge, i mean overall its a pretty remote location if there were jobs who would buy from it?
i mean thats a pretty fucking remote location....not much anyone could do for them....

 

[Yessica...]

I know fly-in communities are not ALL Natives, for sure. But it's hella hard for them.

The Natives in Baker Lake, Nunavut, have the MOST EXPENSIVE groceries in Canada (to my knowledge). A 2L jug of cranberry juice is 13.00. Take a little plane to the nearest gold/ drilling company - and they have an endless budget for food - and things get wasted and thrown away...

Sad really.

 

[Yessica...]

shouldnt there be a bridge there? like most places like that they should be a bridge, i mean overall its a pretty remote location if there were jobs who would buy from it?
i mean thats a pretty fucking remote location....not much anyone could do for them....

Everyone has been trying to build a road up here for years! Cliffs actually just pulled out of the Ring of Fire not too long ago - because the government refused to build a road/ railway.

Actually, the government refused to OK the possibility of a road, for now. I'm not really positive who the onus of building it would fall on.

 

[sunni]

I know fly-in communities are not ALL Natives, for sure. But it's hella hard for them.

The Natives in Baker Lake, Nunavut, have the MOST EXPENSIVE groceries in Canada (to my knowledge). A 2L jug of cranberry juice is 13.00. Take a little plane to the nearest gold/ drilling company - and they have an endless budget for food - and things get wasted and thrown away...

Sad really.

yeah thats sad...extremely sad

but the reality is this is what you get for living in the middle of butt fuck no where....the best anyone can do when you live in fucking no where, is have men hunt fish, women gather berries sew make clothing
and use the barter system within their little community
honestly its not their fault they live there, but their going to have to work with the old school system use their roots and start living off the land like natives way back whenif they dont already...

Everyone has been trying to build a road up here for years! Cliffs actually just pulled out of the Ring of Fire not too long ago - because the government refused to build a road/ railway.

Actually, the government refused to OK the possibility of a road, for now. I'm not really positive who the onus of building it would fall on.

yeah this is the most current i could find http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/06/09/igniting_the_ring_of_fire_no_one_has_a_plan.html looks like either side is not doing too much about it

 

[Yessica...]

why cant he get a job in town?

i keep trying to find the words to make this make sense, but why are we differentiating the differences between the rest of canada and the natives.
we should all be united with one, and the natives should still be able to go to school for free, have tax exemption no licenses for fishing,hunting ect.i would never promote or suggest taking away what little privileges we gave them


The problem is when you live in a small town, like mine you have to move to for work, native or not. thats how you make a living , thats whats wrong with canada not a lot of jobs in smaller towns. so most people drive to the bigger towns to work either have a commute or move

theres no difference between me having to move from my small city to Sudbury to get a job in my career field where i have to leave my family friends and support , than your friend. were just people ....native, white, whatever were people and thats the disadvantages of living in smaller areas. no jobs.

it makes it seem like its heartbreaking for him cause hes native, but its a regular thing for me cause im italian?maybe i too dont want to leave my support system...

I guess the natives in my small town are luckier because the rez is actually in town and not 20 mins out of town, but , we have many campy areas like wawa, and hamilton beach where people live and guess what, to work they drive in...cause theres no jobs in wawa or hamilton beach thats just the sad fact of living in a remote location...
either commute to work or move dont make it into a race issue.

The simple fact of the matter is given the economy of the rez;s even if you did put up more job locations, no one would buy from the businesses. Because technically white people arent allowed to buy from the natives. I go to the rez to buy my cigerettes.., so I drive there, they dont question me because I look native and can speak the native language in my area, but as soon as a white person comes into the store they refuse sale.

And since most natives dont have jobs because they are either unable to or dont want to, or whatever the issue, their businesses wont stand to produce enough money to stay ergo , no one would get hired ..its like a catch 22. so how do we fix it without making this into a race war?

the simple matter of fact is the current generation of kids are lazy, this isnt about being native, or white the generation going into college /uni right now is fucking lazy.
I certainly wish more native highschoolers would take advantage of going to college/university for free because why shouldnt they? they could create a better life , they have the means to do so...but do they have willpower and motivation...and i simply flat out refuse to have anyone tell me because of their bad living conditions they have no motivation ..
I lived in terrible conditions, i was a very poor child...i grew up very very poor barely any food, no heat in the house in winter getting evicted ect.
so no i dont take excuses , if you want something youll achieve it. but the goddamn current generation just wants shit handed to them native or not.


some one already mentioned that growing pot for natives would be a pretty bad idea i agree, not because they shouldnt be allowed but because of the current stigma in our country towards pot, if we allowed them to grow marijuana, im sure most would use it responsibly,...but given the high crime rate and drug selling of most of the current generation it would also create alot of bad apples to pop up.
and that would just make it worse on the native culture and people.

Whew - just read that! Alright, I do have some points, not speaking from all natives everywhere - but the ones I have worked/ lived with.

The First Nation Ranger program has been going on, since 2001 or something? Maybe before. There have been over 500 "graduates" of that program. To get in, they need funding, and the kids need to be attending/ succeeding in high school, with the plan to go to University or to get a full-time job.

The trouble that a lot of these youths (who apart from some troubled kids, and ones who like to misbehave - were GREAT and HARD working kids) is that many of their families do NOT want them to go to school, university, nothing.

Their elders remember residential schools. They remember the way they have been treated. And they don't want their kids to leave the res.

I was lucky, I had a good childhood. My parents encouraged me every step of the way, even when I went completely bat-shit crazy.

I just don't know what it would have been like for me, if my parents didn't support my decisions to leave home and get an education. Would I have rebelled against them and still done it? I would like to say yes....but I don't know...