LEC Sun System 315W CMH/Philips Elite Agro 930 - Virgin Flowering Run

aphrodisia

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Ok, weekly update for Day 8 of 12/12. As mentioned above had a bit of clean-up work last night. Forgot I took some shots after the clean-up, late night. There's one up-side to this culling of the BB male, better coverage for the 2 remaining plants, there's always a bright side ;)

So, pics going forward will be for the 2 fems left in there, a Jack The Ripper (JTR) clone, and Pure Power Plant (PPP) from seed.
Unfortunately these 2 were the smallest going in, but they'll produce some bud so on with the grow, will try to make the best of these two ladies.

For 8 days @ 12/12 they're looking well imo. Flowers are developing quickly, keep in mind that I'm counting from the flip to 12/12. I put them @14/10 for 9 days under the LED's to stretch them and get them pre-flowering. I find when I do this, besides stretching them, they begin pre-flowering. That makes the count from 12/12 pretty close to the seed bank recommended finish time. JTR should be 8 weeks total, PPP should be 10 weeks so I'll be harvesting these incrementally as they each finish.
The coverage in the remaining area of 2'x3' is awesome. All sides/ends are getting a ton of light. One thing I noticed with these lights in comparison to (LG) LED's is the penetration seems much deeper. You can clearly see light getting to the bottom and hitting the floor in between the plants. May be that it's white light and easier to see but it looks brighter all the way down/through the canopy. Should be able to validate later as the buds develop. I found the middle/lower buds with the LED's popcornish (and fluffy) beyond the top canopy last round.

Environment:
I've mentioned it in previous posts, these lights run surprisingly cool for this technology. They've only raised temps by 2-3F which was easy enough to adjust/manage by adjusting the variable controller for incoming air to 1/3rd throttle. Considering it's been in the mid 80's and 60-80% humidity outside since I turned them on, that's awesome. No worries with summer weather, was a bit of a concern going into this early summer. Keep in mind though, I just built this room and it has air conditioning being pulled in from the house HVAC system. Since I run the lights at night and keep the house at 68F for sleeping, any fresh air going into the room during lights on is 10-15F cooler than the flower room. So if I need to cool it down further or reduce humidity all I have to do is crank the variable controller and I get cooler/drier air in there.
Temps: Lights off: 70-75F, Lights on: 79-83
Humidity: Lights off: 55-58, Lights on: 46-49

Vertical SCROG?:
Oh yeah, one more thing Im playing with this round is the trellises you'll see in the pots. Saw them when picking up some stuff at the dollar store. They're not much different than the one's my grandpa used to make for his tomatoes, figured I'd try them. They're bamboo, about 28" high and the bottom 8" or so have 2 "feet" that stick into the sides of the pots. They make LST easier when needed in these fabric pots and I'm doing a sort of vertical scrog thing with them, guiding the main colas through the holes. Makes evening out the canopy easy, and open up the centre nicely to get lots of light down through the centre. I can tie the colas to the stakes if necessary and provide support when they get heavier. So far I'm liking them. Only down side I can see is once they're weaved through and they stretch out, they'll need to stay in there until harvest, but no different than a horizontal SCROG really.

Finally pics, here are the two remaining girls, group shots:
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JTR:
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PPP:
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Cheers :bigjoint:

They look fantastic for just 8 days in flower. Love the trellises.
 

GroErr

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They look fantastic for just 8 days in flower. Love the trellises.
Hey thanks, I thought so too for 8 days @ 12/12, looking back at the last grow with a JTR under the LED's they weren't near that well formed at this time. In fact, here's a pic of JTR2 last run, this JTR I'm flowering is a clone from that plant. The pic below is at 7 days of 12/12, flowers hadn't really started forming under the LED's. The environment, media, nutes are all the same as last run, only significant differences are the lights, and the pots are bigger, 5Gal vs. 3Gal. Hoping that's a good indication of how these will finish ;)
JTR2-Day66-Veg-Day7-Flwr-2.JPG
 

GroErr

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Well, this run's going well, NOT. The lights are great but I'm pretty sure that late blooming Blueberry that turned out to be a male pollinated at least some buds/branches before I pulled it. Not a total loss but I'm pretty sure JTR is going to have some seeds, a couple of buds on the PPP are looking suspect as well. Will check them again, mark the potentially pollinated branches and flower them out. Below are some of the suspect branches/buds and general shots at Day 11. No huge deal as I was going to cross at least one of each clone off these, will skip that and just flower the clones in the tent as I'm done with growing out pollen for a while, I have pollen from Blueberry, PPP, JTR, and AoS to last me a year's worth of (intentional) breeding. Lots of outdoor backup in addition to whatever comes off these and the 12/12 from clones to last me a while. Looks like I'll be running run 6-7 plants total next round, 6 nice clones + a Blue Dream seedling in the veg cabinet coming along nicely. Planning to do 4 under the CMH and 2 under some DIY LED's to get a clean run and see what these lights can do over their maximum coverage area.

Other than this potential glitch, the lights are performing awesome, environment is stable, buds are forming well for Day 11 @ 12/12...

Both + JTR close ups of the bud sites:
All-Day11-Flower-1.jpg JTR-Day11-Flower-1.JPG JTR-Day11-Flower-2.JPG

JTR suspect pollinated buds:
JTR-Day11-Flower-4.JPG JTR-Day11-Flower-7.JPG

PPP, 1st shot is looking like it got pollinated, second is clean:
PPP-Day11-Flower-3.JPG PPP-Day11-Flower-4.JPG

Cheers...
 

GroErr

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lol, yeah it's kind of nice not to have to turn off the LED's and turn on white light to get pics for sure! With the LG LED's I'd have to turn them off temporarily, turn on my backup/maintenance fluoro's and then remember to turn the lights on again ;)
 

GroErr

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What would you say is the footprint of these bulbs? How big of an area?
Forgetting specs, from what I'm seeing, I'd be comfortable running 3x3, anything more and you'd have some dead spots around the edges. I'll likely run a 4x4 next round as I'll have 4 good size plants to run together. But I'll be putting DIY LED's all around them, 4x 50W 3070 COB panels, one on each side, kind of like a box of light around the core 3x3 to cover the edges.
 

a senile fungus

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How far from the plants is a comfortable distance with this bulb?

Sorry for all the questions I'm trying to purchase some things and thinking of using the 315w or the 860w in a vertical fashion, and there aren't too many active grows using them that I can see.

Thank you very much and good growing... I heard every time you answer a noob question that your plants have a karma growth spurt!
 

GroErr

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Hey, no problem with the questions, I'm posting here to either help others or receive help myself if I get myself in trouble - lol
I started it at 14" above the canopy while they were still doing some stretching and now they're 12" above, canopy is pretty even using those trellises. I may move them closer yet, I have the room since I'm down to 2 plants so the coverage will still be there. You can feel the heat directly under any reflection coming off the hood, I'd say uncomfortable until about 7-8" under the hood, so I may move them down to around 10" in a week or so, pretty sure they're done with any stretching. Thing with distance from the hood/bulb is maintaining coverage, there's a point where imo you will loose coverage, no different than LED's really, move too close and you loose footprint. From a heat perspective I'd want to stay around 9-10" away. At 12" there's very good coverage for 3'x3'. My footprint right now is about 22" x 36" so I can move down a bit and maintain good coverage.

lol, I believe in Karma, always comes around, good or bad ;) Haven't found any active grows myself, there is someone else using them here but they're not posting it from what I've seen. Looks like I'm the only one in here right now... had hoped to do at least 3 plants to test the coverage in a 3x3 and give anyone interested a good indication of their ability. So this, while it will give us some idea is not the ideal run from an efficiency/use of space perspective. Hopefully next round using clones will give a better read of it's coverage/capabilities. I'm tossing around either a stand-alone run with 3x3' footprint or 4'x4' with some LED's filling the edges next run, will depend on the size of the plants so I'll decide when they're ready to flower.
 

PSUAGRO.

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Looking stellar friend even with unexpected males(shit happens)..............:weed:

Have you had a chance to test it's draw from the plug? a few units are running under spec as you know from the other thread:) I would highly suggest you check it, just buy and then return a kilo-watt meter from home depot

be safe grower
 

GroErr

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Hey thanks PSU, I was more bummed about not having enough plants to see what this light can do than anything, I'm used to setbacks, grow long enough and you'll have to deal with them, like you said shit happens, learning something from it, then move on...

I did when I first set them up but didn't record it (334W if I remember right), will run it again, record and post, no problem I have a meter, like to know exactly what every device draws, had to deal with the shit happens stuff so hadn't got back to recording it ;)
 

GroErr

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Have you had a chance to test it's draw from the plug?
Hey, tested it twice on two different plugs and this thing is accurate, e.g. those 28W SMD LED Tubes read out at 27W each. It's quite a bit more than I remember first time I plugged it in. Left it 10 minutes to warm up and it was flipping between 386W & 389W consistently. Quite a bit higher than spec, not sure if that's ballast overhead or bulb though...
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a senile fungus

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" The Ballast Runs off 200-277 VAC
So it will run on your home 220/240
Wiring for 120/220/240 is detailed below in the ballast section
YES YOU CAN RUN THIS BALLAST FROM YOUR 110/120 Outlet without rewiring your Place
by utilizing a simple step up converter (with plugs) or a hard wired step up transformer."
That was from advancedtechlighting...

The kit you bought includes the hardwired step up transformer (I think that's what it is) and that's why these lights can run at 120v. This extra inefficiency is where your extra pull is coming from I think...
 

PSUAGRO.

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" The Ballast Runs off 200-277 VAC
So it will run on your home 220/240
Wiring for 120/220/240 is detailed below in the ballast section
YES YOU CAN RUN THIS BALLAST FROM YOUR 110/120 Outlet without rewiring your Place
by utilizing a simple step up converter (with plugs) or a hard wired step up transformer."
That was from advancedtechlighting...

The kit you bought includes the hardwired step up transformer (I think that's what it is) and that's why these lights can run at 120v. This extra inefficiency is where your extra pull is coming from I think...
Bingo..............so about an extra 40-45w for the 120v==220/240v conversion; not terrible imo.

Still waiting on a 120v digi ballast to run the agro line:sleep:.........I think I will be waiting for a loooong time
 

GroErr

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" The Ballast Runs off 200-277 VAC
So it will run on your home 220/240
Wiring for 120/220/240 is detailed below in the ballast section
YES YOU CAN RUN THIS BALLAST FROM YOUR 110/120 Outlet without rewiring your Place
by utilizing a simple step up converter (with plugs) or a hard wired step up transformer."
That was from advancedtechlighting...

The kit you bought includes the hardwired step up transformer (I think that's what it is) and that's why these lights can run at 120v. This extra inefficiency is where your extra pull is coming from I think...
Yeah that sounds about right, (I had read that on the advancedtech site, that's for a DIY setup but likely what these guys did in one package). I haven't been able to find any detailed docs on the fixture, should inquire through them and confirm but this would make sense. They've packaged a transformer with it, which also makes sense as the end with the ballast (and likely transformer) is quite heavy, heavier than just a ballast imo. Will have to dissect it at some point unless they can provide something. Too new to take apart right now and don't want to f/up any warranty.

Bingo..............so about an extra 40-45w for the 120v==220/240v conversion; not terrible imo.

Still waiting on a 120v digi ballast to run the agro line:sleep:.........I think I will be waiting for a loooong time
lol, yeah based on my conversations with Ceramatek, you better pull up a comfy couch to sit on while you wait, unless someone else steps up.

I suppose in the overall scheme of things 40 or so watts is not that bad in overhead.

Quite frankly, based on what I'm seeing so far, an extra 40W overhead is shit, these buds are developing at 1-2 weeks ahead of the last LED run. If that pace maintains it would be like having an extra week or two of 12/12 and should produce/develop/fatten those bud sites nicely. Could be just a difference in the lighting/tech though too, I remember GG's hps vs. Apache run where early on hps was ahead and he got an explanation that essentially the plants behaved differently due to the differences in light/heat source, eventually the Apache side caught up. Certainly not comparing my Chinese LED's to this or Apache, just pointing out that it could be related to a different light/heat source to explain the much earlier bud development. We'll have to see in about 6 weeks ;)
 

genuity

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looking good up in here,

after 30 min on,my light reads 359-360 watts.after i got i fixed.
when i was at the shop,and the guy was fixing/flipping the switch...i did not really get to look inside(i was doing some other dumb shit),but it was a 5 min job,if that.

i have not ran led,but i'm getting better everything from some clones i'm running...it's not a side by side...but i got the same clones under hps..
and i can see the effects this lil light has on the plants.

i'm gonna post some pics,in the other thread,dont want to be all up in this nice thread spamming you with my pics.
 

GroErr

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looking good up in here,

after 30 min on,my light reads 359-360 watts.after i got i fixed.
when i was at the shop,and the guy was fixing/flipping the switch...i did not really get to look inside(i was doing some other dumb shit),but it was a 5 min job,if that.

i have not ran led,but i'm getting better everything from some clones i'm running...it's not a side by side...but i got the same clones under hps..
and i can see the effects this lil light has on the plants.

i'm gonna post some pics,in the other thread,dont want to be all up in this nice thread spamming you with my pics.
Hey genuity thanks for popping by and glad to hear it was only a quick-fix, probably some loose connection or the like. No problem with posting some pics, particularly equipment related to this thread. Too bad you didn't get a good look inside, would love to confirm the components but don't want to open it up, too new, still has that "new car" smell ;)

I doubt I'll run this thing in veg as it's dedicated to flowering but would be interesting to see how they behave in veg, I'm sure someone will have one of these as their sole light. I bought it for flowering due to the spectrum but the light coming off it is amazing and would probably do a nice job straight through... I do like the LED's for veg, so far I've run about 6 strains in veg under LED's and they all do well, the node spacing is extremely tight if you like that. I prefer shorter/tight bushes and so work well for that style grow.
 

GroErr

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Hi all, my weekly update, Day 15 of 12/12.

Bud sites continue to stack nicely and bud development continues at a fast pace. So far the lights are performing well imo, no complaints here. This PPP is shaping up to be a nice producer, twice as many bud sites as JTR, looking good :)

Nothing new this week, just trying to keep them healthy now, long way to go. 6 weeks for JTR and 7 or so for PPP.
The environment is consistent, Temps: 79-83F lights on, 72-74 lights off Humidity: 45-48 lights on, 55-58 lights off.
Lovin this new room, no worries about screwing around with the environment so I can concentrate on the grow.

I'm liking the trellises I installed last weekend. They're maintaining the canopy even, opening them up through the centre and allowing light right down to the middle and lower bud sites.

Here are this week's pics, some group shots, individual plant shots and sample bud sites...

Group shots:
All-Day15-Flower-1.JPG All-Day15-Flower-2.JPG

JTR:
JTR-Day15-Flower-1.JPG JTR-Day15-Flower-2.jpg JTR-Day15-Flower-3.JPG JTR-Day15-Flower-4.JPG

PPP:
PPP-Day15-Flower-1.JPG PPP-Day15-Flower-2.JPG PPP-Day15-Flower-3.JPG PPP-Day15-Flower-4.jpg

Cheers :bigjoint:
 

aphrodisia

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Hi all, my weekly update, Day 15 of 12/12.

Bud sites continue to stack nicely and bud development continues at a fast pace. So far the lights are performing well imo, no complaints here. This PPP is shaping up to be a nice producer, twice as many bud sites as JTR, looking good :)

Nothing new this week, just trying to keep them healthy now, long way to go. 6 weeks for JTR and 7 or so for PPP.
The environment is consistent, Temps: 79-83F lights on, 72-74 lights off Humidity: 45-48 lights on, 55-58 lights off.
Lovin this new room, no worries about screwing around with the environment so I can concentrate on the grow.

I'm liking the trellises I installed last weekend. They're maintaining the canopy even, opening them up through the centre and allowing light right down to the middle and lower bud sites.

Here are this week's pics, some group shots, individual plant shots and sample bud sites...

Group shots:
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JTR:
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PPP:
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Cheers :bigjoint:

Nice grow. They are bushing out nicely for jusr two plants. Almost looks like natural light under that light.
 

ballist

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Anyone know where to buy these globes in the eu? I can't find anything greater than 150w online.
 
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