Wtf is the problem
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Sand4x105
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You TP'ed too soon into too big of a bag... ya probably f'ed up the TP and the roots are still balled up...still...
This grow is a waste...
Either start over or do this:
Take weak little three week plant with no roots, in a too big of a pot, and put it into a small sized garden pot...
Maybe a large litre cup...
Too much soil... no roots... too much water for the no roots...
and here's your sign... you are an idiot...
Seriously.... growing's not for everyone...
Too much soil... too little pot... get it? too much water etc... no roots... you over water/feed get it... ???
Get it... growing's not.... for everyone, and a lot of first timers do not know when to say when...
I'll say it for you:
"When"
This grow is a waste...
Either start over or do this:
Take weak little three week plant with no roots, in a too big of a pot, and put it into a small sized garden pot...
Maybe a large litre cup...
Too much soil... no roots... too much water for the no roots...
and here's your sign... you are an idiot...
Seriously.... growing's not for everyone...
Too much soil... too little pot... get it? too much water etc... no roots... you over water/feed get it... ???
Get it... growing's not.... for everyone, and a lot of first timers do not know when to say when...
I'll say it for you:
"When"
waterdawg
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Wow this went bad quick 
. Could it be the heat or perhaps people getting a bit low?? I know I am 
. Basically the plants are toast IMO, sorry OP! Start again and perhaps read a few journals to get you going. The time it would take to bring them back, if possible is a waste!
. Could it be the heat or perhaps people getting a bit low?? I know I am . Basically the plants are toast IMO, sorry OP! Start again and perhaps read a few journals to get you going. The time it would take to bring them back, if possible is a waste!
undercovergrow
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i think you should hang in there with her. 
get a bag of dirt at your local lowe's or something, just get some good potting soil. try to get something that doesn't have nutrients in it. the girl wants to live, so take her out of this bag, and put her in a 5-gallon bucket of soil. (leave the promix root-ball alone, anything that falls off though-let it.) make sure there are holes in the bottom of the bucket for drainage. pack her with enough soil she can stand up straight on her own. give her a good watering. if she is in damp promix that doesn't need watering for as long as you say, she isn't going to like being in that damp state. feel the weight of the bucket before you give her that first watering and after you water her, how heavy she feels to you. when her first several inches of dirt is dry, and you can feel the bucket is lighter, then water her. i'd stop feeding her for now and after 7-10 days, you'll be able to re-evaluate her. in soil, your pH shouldn't be as much of an issue so you could stop worrying about that for now. also, how far away is she from the light? she might also be experiencing, as another poster said, some heat issues. the leaves that look like upside down canoes will not get better, but you need to stop the rest of the plant from doing that. when a plant does that to me, it's either because i've overfed it or it doesn't like how much light/heat it is getting. but the bud off of plants that have done that to me got smoked up just as well! 
so i'd definitely try to finish her! 
get a bag of dirt at your local lowe's or something, just get some good potting soil. try to get something that doesn't have nutrients in it. the girl wants to live, so take her out of this bag, and put her in a 5-gallon bucket of soil. (leave the promix root-ball alone, anything that falls off though-let it.) make sure there are holes in the bottom of the bucket for drainage. pack her with enough soil she can stand up straight on her own. give her a good watering. if she is in damp promix that doesn't need watering for as long as you say, she isn't going to like being in that damp state. feel the weight of the bucket before you give her that first watering and after you water her, how heavy she feels to you. when her first several inches of dirt is dry, and you can feel the bucket is lighter, then water her. i'd stop feeding her for now and after 7-10 days, you'll be able to re-evaluate her. in soil, your pH shouldn't be as much of an issue so you could stop worrying about that for now. also, how far away is she from the light? she might also be experiencing, as another poster said, some heat issues. the leaves that look like upside down canoes will not get better, but you need to stop the rest of the plant from doing that. when a plant does that to me, it's either because i've overfed it or it doesn't like how much light/heat it is getting. but the bud off of plants that have done that to me got smoked up just as well! so i'd definitely try to finish her! 
Macmac124
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there a 600 and a 400 in my grow room there is no heat problem the avg temp is about 77 i have 3 6inch inlines i run light at night so that isnt the problem i really think its just moisture as you suggested i all ready transplant 1 to a dwc bucket they were not rootbound just wet so thank for the advice imma let em dry out in bucketsi think you should hang in there with her.
undercovergrow
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let us know how she does!
TheGreenHornet
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UndercoverGrow is right, dont give up. If I had given up every time someone told me to, or every time someone talked shit about my grow, I would have missed out on a lot of knowledge learned first hand, and wouldn't be nearly as cool as I am now 
1] Containers. I would get rid of those friggin plastic grow bags. They don't looks nearly big enough, and even if they are big enough there is no support, harder to move around, soil moves a lot, roots can break, they just look like some shit people invent to try and make money basically. Use 5 gallon or 3 gal buckets. 5 gal is my go-to bucket. If you want to stick with soil that's awesome, but Hempy Buckets are the fuggin tits.
Briefly I will outline this;
-Take a 5 gal or 3 gal bucket - Make one, 1'' or 3/4'' hole drilled on the side, near the bottom, 2 inches above the bottom of the bucket.
-cover this little hole with screen mesh so you grow medium (vermiculite) doesn't fall out, and fix in place with epoxy or with some little screws.
-fill your bucket with vermiculite ( I wash mine before use ) Medium Coarse grade should be good, some people put the really chunky grade in the bottom, and then finer up top, its up to you
This is a passive hydro system. The vermiculite provides excellent drainage, but will not dry out too quickly. Every time you water/feed, the water will moisten the vermiculite, and pool in the 2'' at the bottom of the bucket. This will keep the bottom more saturated, and the roots will be drawn towards that "reservoir" (bottom 2 in) in the bucket. You will not have to worry about over-watering because of the excellent drainage, and because of the reservoir at the bottom - you will be OK (once the taproot has made it there) if you forget to water for a day or two. There are many journals and articles on Hempy Buckets you can read.
2] Air movement. You need adequate ventilation and exhaust for your HID lights and hoods.. if your temperature is 77 deg, then you are probably OK on that. BUT you also need air circulation within the grow tent itself. 1 or 2 oscillating fans would help your plants exchange gasses better thus driving photosynthesis more quickly, and also strengthen your plant stalks.. and better/bigger stalks, as we all know, can hold better/bigger buds
3] Monitoring pH. When preparing your nutrients/water, if the pH is down around 5.5, this is OK, remember that pH will gradually rise over time. The minimum pH your water should be is 5.5, the max it should be is 6.5. I would shoot for 6.0.
If you have a little extra cash (180 or so) Tri-meters by NutraDip are really really useful. They not only measure pH but also water temp and more importantly PPM - which is fertilizer level. Then you would be able not only to determine what relative amounts of fertilizer you are using, and compare with other peoples grows, but also to record your own feedings for more accurate records and learn what certain plants prefer.
4] Continuing with soil. Your plant isnt that bad dude. My plants have looked way worse. All things considered, your problem could simply be over-watering. I would water once every 2-3 days really well, and let it reallllllyyy dry out. Be patient. In drier conditions those roots are going to stretch out and look for water, which is what you want. And as the soil dries, it will rise in both oxygen content and pH, giving the plant a 'full spectrum' of environmental conditions for it absorb nutrients and whatever. This will be good.
A rule of thumb is to stick your pointer finger in the dirt, down to your second knuckle. If it's completely dry, you need to water.
It looks like your soil mix already has some vermiculite in it, but I dont know how much, so just remember the more vermiculite in the soil mix, the more often you should water. If its only like 10% vermiculite then just treat it like soil. 20-30% you probably need to water every other day.
Sorry for the long list, but wanted to cover all the basics. Good luck brotha
1] Containers. I would get rid of those friggin plastic grow bags. They don't looks nearly big enough, and even if they are big enough there is no support, harder to move around, soil moves a lot, roots can break, they just look like some shit people invent to try and make money basically. Use 5 gallon or 3 gal buckets. 5 gal is my go-to bucket. If you want to stick with soil that's awesome, but Hempy Buckets are the fuggin tits.
Briefly I will outline this;
-Take a 5 gal or 3 gal bucket - Make one, 1'' or 3/4'' hole drilled on the side, near the bottom, 2 inches above the bottom of the bucket.
-cover this little hole with screen mesh so you grow medium (vermiculite) doesn't fall out, and fix in place with epoxy or with some little screws.
-fill your bucket with vermiculite ( I wash mine before use ) Medium Coarse grade should be good, some people put the really chunky grade in the bottom, and then finer up top, its up to you
This is a passive hydro system. The vermiculite provides excellent drainage, but will not dry out too quickly. Every time you water/feed, the water will moisten the vermiculite, and pool in the 2'' at the bottom of the bucket. This will keep the bottom more saturated, and the roots will be drawn towards that "reservoir" (bottom 2 in) in the bucket. You will not have to worry about over-watering because of the excellent drainage, and because of the reservoir at the bottom - you will be OK (once the taproot has made it there) if you forget to water for a day or two. There are many journals and articles on Hempy Buckets you can read.
2] Air movement. You need adequate ventilation and exhaust for your HID lights and hoods.. if your temperature is 77 deg, then you are probably OK on that. BUT you also need air circulation within the grow tent itself. 1 or 2 oscillating fans would help your plants exchange gasses better thus driving photosynthesis more quickly, and also strengthen your plant stalks.. and better/bigger stalks, as we all know, can hold better/bigger buds
3] Monitoring pH. When preparing your nutrients/water, if the pH is down around 5.5, this is OK, remember that pH will gradually rise over time. The minimum pH your water should be is 5.5, the max it should be is 6.5. I would shoot for 6.0.
If you have a little extra cash (180 or so) Tri-meters by NutraDip are really really useful. They not only measure pH but also water temp and more importantly PPM - which is fertilizer level. Then you would be able not only to determine what relative amounts of fertilizer you are using, and compare with other peoples grows, but also to record your own feedings for more accurate records and learn what certain plants prefer.
4] Continuing with soil. Your plant isnt that bad dude. My plants have looked way worse. All things considered, your problem could simply be over-watering. I would water once every 2-3 days really well, and let it reallllllyyy dry out. Be patient. In drier conditions those roots are going to stretch out and look for water, which is what you want. And as the soil dries, it will rise in both oxygen content and pH, giving the plant a 'full spectrum' of environmental conditions for it absorb nutrients and whatever. This will be good.
A rule of thumb is to stick your pointer finger in the dirt, down to your second knuckle. If it's completely dry, you need to water.
It looks like your soil mix already has some vermiculite in it, but I dont know how much, so just remember the more vermiculite in the soil mix, the more often you should water. If its only like 10% vermiculite then just treat it like soil. 20-30% you probably need to water every other day.
Sorry for the long list, but wanted to cover all the basics. Good luck brotha
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mr sunshine
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Do be saying shit like that bro he gave you great advice ..... He sees you getting your ass kicked he's just an innocent bystander that's protecting you from yourself. .the only gay thing in this thread is your plant. It's done homie start over....
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mr sunshine
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By the way your ph is off!!
TheGreenHornet
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i have never used grow bags. i am sure that they work for some people, or else they wouldnt still be around haha. but i mean fuk, you can grow this damn plant in about anything.. suspended in air, drowning in water, in rocks, in clay pellets, in peat moss, in rockwool, so a plastic bag with holes in it isnt too far of a stretch.
im gunna grow one in a boot and see what happens. or a sombrero.
im gunna grow one in a boot and see what happens. or a sombrero.
waterdawg
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I do agree about anywhere lol. Had a plant grow out of my carpet in university from a wayward seed! I can buy a 100-7.5 gal. bags for $35 so they are cheap when doing the outdoor thing. A few of the commercial grows are using them as well up here.
WeekendSupervisor
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New to growing, but the plastic bag seems like it would foster hot anaerobic conditions which aren't ideal for root growth. If you have your heart set on bags, check out Smart Pots. They are cheaper than plastic pots for the most part. The fabric weave they are made of, your roots get tons of O2 and they won't circle the bottom if your plant outgrows it.
waterdawg
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Never looked at those. Bags are no hotter than pails IMO and there ate plenty of drain holes. As for the moisture that is one of the reasons I like them. When I used them the grow was pretty inaccessible so watering was always a pain. I would fold the top over and help keep the soil moister longer. To much water was typically not a problem, drying out was. Carrying 50 bags in was a cake walk compared to pails lol.
Seems like a few of you exist on this forum only to cunt things up. I'm sure you have a vast amount of knowledge, but if you're just lingering around to tell someone they suck instead of actually addressing an issue in a format where others can learn then I'd say your ego is way out of check. It's probably time to eat 5 or 6 grams of mushrooms and sit back in a dark room to analyze the effect your actions have on others.
Yes I'm a lurker, yes this is my first post, but this shit had to be said....
Yes I'm a lurker, yes this is my first post, but this shit had to be said....
meetjoeblow
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hey man rollitup is kinda harsh but dont give up. keep the plastic pots they are very cheap and they work but be mindful of a few things. 1.they come in different varieties to serve different purposes. the one u used in the pic u started the thread with isnt suited for cannabis. u want the ones that are as tall as they are wide. the ones that are extra tall are meant for root plants like potatoes or carrots. what happens (and i learned this from experience) is the weight of the plant and soil, compacts the lower portion of the soil which sometimes make it very hard for the roots to penetrate. 2. the all black pots arent suited for indoor grows. some plants like watermelons and cantaloupe like warm soil cannabis not so much. the black pots absorb heat and warm the soil which promotes bacteria growth which is probably contributing to the ph fluxes use the ones with the panda plastic ( the white and black ones) they reflect light energy and keep the medium cooler. 3. get a water filter for your faucet. thatll help with the tap water problem and letting your water sit out like a day will give the chlorine a chance to evaporate off (do a taste test and youll c the difference. taste water fresh out the tap and water that has set out a day and youll see wat i mean). and boiling and distilling are two different things. distilled water comes from the water vapor of boiling water. 4.its not normal to have a mix that holds water that long. the problem with mediums that hold water that long is the water/ nutrient solution can become stagnant and and you suffocate the roots which breath oxygen. not to mention fungi. amend it with some perilite. your mix should need water at least every 2-3 days try adding 1/3 perilite to your medium, and lastly start your plants in 1 gal pot and transfer to a 5 gal or bigger. starting in a small pots gives the plants more attention and makes the easier to work with. plus you save money and fertilzer. hope i helped
Deusracing
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For starters you room is a mess id fall over too if my room wasn't clean.. LOL
Deusracing
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Deusracing
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in all honesty id ditch those bags and spend the lil extra on a proven pot such as these lil Air-pots. No root bound no over watering. these are a no brainer.. maybe buy some lil retractable lines to hold your plants upright...