Thinking about "mainline" growing, and got some questions.

[Glaucoma]

So a plant that is main lined does not produce anymore flowers to a plant that has not been main lined?

I've never done a side by side but IMO, all other things equal.. no. You just get less popcorn and a super sexy, even canopy.

Better buds overall? yes.
More yield? possibly, but I really don't think so. It seems to me the weight is just more distributed between your colas. You have to take into account that mainlined plants are generally vegged longer than those that are not.. so.. Like I said, all other things being equal, I don't think so.

 

[scarecrow77]

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So a plant that is main lined does not produce anymore flowers to a plant that has not been main lined?[/QUOTE
The reason behind main lining is to have equal size colas ..wether it be 2..4..8..or 16 tops ..if you mainline your plants properly all the branches should be the same thickness...all receiving the same amount of nutrients to the tops...you should.nt be getting any popcorn buds when you mainline just thick fat colas..happy growing..

 

[LokoTrashman]

Yep, getting no popcorn buds and thick even colas its what im after. and supposing I would need to veg more would that increase overall final yield ? compared to a short 4 week veg on a plant topped just once.

 

[scarecrow77]

Yep, getting no popcorn buds and thick even colas its what im after. and supposing I would need to veg more would that increase overall final yield ? compared to a short 4 week veg on a plant topped just once.

Yes..the longer you veg the bigger your yeild will be...but U must have the correct size pot if U want to veg longer...example...i start my seeds in 4" pots for 2 weeks and transplant to 11 litre ..veg another 2 weeks And then put in flower...any longer veg time id need bigger pots...or I get rootbound plants...

 

[LokoTrashman]

yeah, i gotta do some research in pot size, im going maybe for a 4 cola plant to test my skills

 

[scarecrow77]

Bigger the roots ..bigger the fruits.2 and 3 gallon pots are more than enough for indoor growing..i grow 9 in 11 litre pots under 600 watt...now if I was growing 4 plants ..5 gallon would be good..example..i try and use 20 gallons of soil under each 600watt..so what ever the number of plants im going to run..whether it be 4...9..12 plants ..4 plants will be 4 5gallon pots...9 2gallon pots...ect..

 

[LokoTrashman]

Bigger the roots ..bigger the fruits.2 and 3 gallon pots are more than enough for indoor growing..i grow 9 in 11 litre pots under 600 watt...now if I was growing 4 plants ..5 gallon would be good..example..i try and use 20 gallons of soil under each 600watt..so what ever the number of plants im going to run..whether it be 4...9..12 plants ..4 plants will be 4 5gallon pots...9 2gallon pots...ect..

so if I were to grow under 300watt 10 gallons of soil would be about right.

 

[scarecrow77]

so if I were to grow under 300watt 10 gallons of soil would be about right.

If your using hps ..yes..with cfls ..no..what lights are U using and what's the space U have.

 

[LokoTrashman]

If your using hps ..yes..with cfls ..no..what lights are U using and what's the space U have.

the space is to be decided,I dont have anything setup so far, I am just trying to plan ahead. But its not going to be anything massive.
I will probably use 4 CFLs at 75W each for 300W total, ofc i will use 2700k and 6400k spectrums. CFLs mostly cuz I have a low budget on this.
I know CFLs dont have the light penetration power of HPS, so Im not quite sure of how much soil I will need, and thats why I would like mainlining my plant to get the most out of my lights, rather than creating a bush with LST and light not getting good penetration.

 

[scarecrow77]

the space is to be decided,I dont have anything setup so far, I am just trying to plan ahead. But its not going to be anything massive.
I will probably use 4 CFLs at 75W each for 300W total, ofc i will use 2700k and 6400k spectrums. CFLs mostly cuz I have a low budget on this.
I know CFLs dont have the light penetration power of HPS, so Im not quite sure of how much soil I will need, and thats why I would like mainlining my plant to get the most out of my lights, rather than creating a bush with LST and light not getting good penetration.

cfls are good for vegging ...usless for flower...u should buy a 250 watt hps....u could put 4 11 liter pots under it with good results......my 600 watt hps and all the trimmings around it cost me about 25-30 euros a week to run..that's not bad for what im pulling off it.....I started my first and second grow with cfls....quickly changed to hps .....cfls are not for flowering plants anyways...there only for supplementing light in areas were u need it..hope this helps

 

[LokoTrashman]

Sure does I have some time to think through all the options and go with the best one for my situation.

 

[Dr.Pecker]

I started doing medical grows outside and I have to tell you nothing is cheaper and I can grow my years supply in one shot no power needed. plants are always bigger and healthier .I still do the indoor for the winter but I cut my power bill in half easy.check out fluorescent tube lights some of them can be daisy chained together.

 

[LokoTrashman]

I started doing medical grows outside and I have to tell you nothing is cheaper and I can grow my years supply in one shot no power needed. plants are always bigger and healthier .I still do the indoor for the winter but I cut my power bill in half easy.check out fluorescent tube lights some of them can be daisy chained together.

Yeah man, for sure no lights can beat the sun for power and spectrum, the only bad thing for me is that the sun/night goes 12/12 in mid sptember + 3 months it takes to fully flower that makes my harvest somewhere in late november which is when winter comes and temps go really low and it even snows some times, which is no good and then theres pests that I would hate to see on my girls
I could however grow in pots and flower them whenever I feel like by putting them inside in a dark room for the 12h they need to bloom.
I saw many people veg inside and flower outdoors, whats the advantage in doing so ?

 

[Dr.Pecker]

Yeah man, for sure no lights can beat the sun for power and spectrum, the only bad thing for me is that the sun/night goes 12/12 in mid sptember + 3 months it takes to fully flower that makes my harvest somewhere in late november which is when winter comes and temps go really low and it even snows some times, which is no good and then theres pests that I would hate to see on my girls
I could however grow in pots and flower them whenever I feel like by putting them inside in a dark room for the 12h they need to bloom.
I saw many people veg inside and flower outdoors, whats the advantage in doing so ?

the advantage of starting inside is to have a giant plat by fall. you can start flowering inside then take them out side in the fall to finish you just have to time it right.moving them from outside to inside never seems to work out for me. I did two g13s like that started budding inside and finished outside last year and both were dank I gave some cuts to a friend and he did about 20 outside none of his finished in time but they were huge over ten foot tall some were 12ft.

 

[MonkeyGrinder]

It's not that hard to do honestly. Even for a beginner. Just google nugbuckets mainlining and there's a step by step tutorial with pictures.
If you can
A - use a pair of scissors
B - manage to not chop the secondary branches in the process
Then you can mainline.
The tutorial takes you from start to finish. It's really no more "advanced" than any other sort of training or topping. You're just doing it multiple times and shaping/sculpting your plant.
The even canopy is awesome.
So find the tutorial. Go pick up a pair of scissors, string and garden ties.
Then hop to it.
Don't let the word "advanced" fool you and scare you away.
After you make your first cut and bend the first 2 branches down. Then you make the second cut just as instructed. You can stop there and flower or keep on going with it.
Bam. You just repeat that and it doubles your tops every time you do.
It's not hard.
You'll kick yourself in the ass for taking baby steps a few grows down the road.
The guy who got me into growing would say the same thing about loads of stuff. With the way he talked MJ plants were fickle/complex to even get started. And for the love of god anything on the planet would cause them to hermie/and or die.

 

[LokoTrashman]

I saw the tutorial by nugbuckets and it make me drool haha, I understand the main thought process behind mainlining.
The way Im thinking is, if I veg outdoors it will for sure make the process a lot faster, and my plants would be sturdy for sure. Then when Im happy with the plant size I would force flowering, by keeping them 12h under the sun and then 12h put them in a dark room. And repeat this process every day.
I if could afford good lights I would for sure do indoors al the way, I have to operate on a low budget tho.

 

[MonkeyGrinder]

I understand the main thought process behind mainlining.

That's all you need to understand then. After that it just takes doing it.

Then when Im happy with the plant size I would force flowering, by keeping them 12h under the sun and then 12h put them in a dark room. And repeat this process every day.

Or snag a 50 - 75 gallon trash barrel. Spray paint it black. Then just toss it over it in the evening =D Dollar store yo.

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I if could afford good lights I would for sure do indoors al the way, I have to operate on a low budget tho.

I built a small veg box out of a plastic laundry hamper. Lined the inside by using Elmers glue to glue a mylar emergency blanket to the walls. And cut holes in the top to slide down 2 crap 10$ growight sticks from Walmart for shits and giggles.
Just stashed it in a dark closet. Vegged and messed around with 2 plants in 2 liter bottle pots for about 5 weeks.
It was a strait up poormans growlbox. It was semi inspired by Trailer Park Boys.
I think the light tubes were 32 watts each.
Just in a small place so there was lots of reflection going on.
Worked fine for vegging itty bitty plants

 

[LokoTrashman]

Or snag a 50 - 75 gallon trash barrel. Spray paint it black. Then just toss it over it in the evening =D Dollar store yo.

I built a small veg box out of a plastic laundry hamper. Lined the inside by using Elmers glue to glue a mylar emergency blanket to the walls. And cut holes in the top to slide down 2 crap 10$ growight sticks from Walmart for shits and giggles.
Just stashed it in a dark closet. Vegged and messed around with 2 plants in 2 liter bottle pots for about 5 weeks.
It was a strait up poormans growlbox. It was semi inspired by Trailer Park Boys.
I think the light tubes were 32 watts each.
Just in a small place so there was lots of reflection going on.
Worked fine for vegging itty bitty plants

Very good point with the big trash barrel, that would save the plants stress of being moved around everyday. I definitely have to take a trip to the stores and get some soil , pots, nutes and a big ass barrel

 

[wood780]

Mainlining isnt hard . Dont be scared off by people telling u noobs cant do it. My 2nd grow I got 8ox from mainlined plant . I did 8 heads .its not hard and I got a noticably bigger yeild

 

[LokoTrashman]

Mainlining isnt hard . Dont be scared off by people telling u noobs cant do it. My 2nd grow I got 8ox from mainlined plant . I did 8 heads .its not hard and I got a noticably bigger yeild

really nice hub you got there man I cant wait to start my 2nd grow and grow me an 8 headed dragon haha.