Shatter E-CIG Oil, Yes, it works!

[DemonTrich]

my patient has a gorilla (?) type of vape pen. filled with a syringe I imagine. going to source some peg400 today as start experimenting this afternoon....I hope. any local place to find flavorings? maby a tobacco shop or the like, or internet only?

 

[Grow Goddess]

Eric thanks for the response.
Tex Lab sells bulk and if I recall correctly, they sell on Ebay as well, so I was just curious if they relabeled as the Rite Stuff.

Re the Vaporizer power;
When you talk about time, 12 sec, are you talking about the time to hold the vap button, or are you implying that the source circuit is closed loop and pwm’ing the igniter for that long? To be honest 52 mw is a tiny amount of power to hit the vap coil with and expect much of anything, so I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say.

Clearly I’m going to have to tear some of these apart and see what’s inside.

Re the sauce;
I make BHO. Sometimes, removing to many waxes seem to pull a lot of flavor. Also, the few commercial vap pen flavors I’ve tried seem artificial.
So my simple minded idea, is to attempt a hydro extraction strictly for the 2nd and 3rd order terps, then re blend them in to the PEG/WBHO mixture. Same idea GG has, but I'm going to try and extract my own flavor juice from real bud.

We’ll see, this is basically a science project. I obviously have a ways to go and the fun part for me is the journey anyway.

With the mA I am not sure what he is saying either. My pen batteries range from 650 mAh and up and that has to do with the length of time it holds the charge. On my APV MOD vape (SVD) that has 1/2 watt increments to increase or decrease and 1/10 volt increments to increase or decrease to adjust the "temps" right where you want them.

PEG vs. PG USP, really it all depends on what unit I am using. The PG USP doesn't interfere with flavors for me, but it can be harsh on the throat. When I winterize my concentrates is when I kiss my flavors good bye. The flavanoids must be oil soluble so I don't think you can retrieve those with water.

I can't wait to try oil that has not been winterized with the PEG to see if that concentrate will cover the chemical taste. For now, adding flavors, it seems to be working out great. At first I didn't like the idea of it, but I am liking it more now. I like using the flavors that are NF Organic, pretty much plant extracts. Yes, some do have an artificial candy taste, but that is how the plants are. At least with the concentrated flavors. Only one or two drops per gram of oil makes all the difference. Lemon/Lime, Apple, Vanilla, Watermelon, the list goes on, here is a link for you and Demon Trich you may like these flavors: https://highdesertvapes.com/categories/DIY/DIY-Flavors/NF-Organic/ two pages of different NF Organic flavors.

I have extracted water soluble from my product in the past (red oil). I extracted it from the material left over after doing an alcohol extraction to make RSO. I just did it to see if I could retrieve the red oil. I let the waste product evaporate out the alcohol and get bone dry. Then I did the extraction with cold water using the same methods as with a solvent. It did not have any flavors except for tasting gross. It seemed to have the scent or allergens, I am sure some terps were in there. I wish I could have had it tested to see if it had anything beneficial in it.


I have been testing stuff for vaporizing non stop and putting up my experiences in my blog "My Experience with Portable Vaporizers (Pen Vaporizers) for Concentrated Cannabis Oil and E-Cigarette Oil".

Right now I am vaping with a SmokTech Magento using an 18490 battery, a 510 to eGo thread adapter, and a KangerTech AeroTank Mini. I have a mix of winterized QWISO hash, 2 drops of NF Organic Plum Apricot DIY Flavor, and about 40% PEG400 NF/USP.

The mini is the pink one on the right.

Something about those mechanical vapes, it is working real good with the mini but has not been fully tested yet. I am working on that It gets me baked!!

Just cut some of these down. This time I will make a small batch of QWISO and not winterize it. Then mix it up with some PEG400 and see how it tastes. You know, when I look in my garden nowadays I don't really see a "field of buds" I see vials of oil!

Strawberry Cough

 

[DemonTrich]

ill be using qwiso as well when I make this for him.

thanks for the flavor link.

 

[god1]

With the mA I am not sure what he is saying either. My pen batteries range from 650 mAh and up and that has to do with the length of time it holds the charge. On my APV MOD vape (SVD) that has 1/2 watt increments to increase or decrease and 1/10 volt increments to increase or decrease to adjust the "temps" right where you want them.

PEG vs. PG USP, really it all depends on what unit I am using. The PG USP doesn't interfere with flavors for me, but it can be harsh on the throat. When I winterize my concentrates is when I kiss my flavors good bye. The flavanoids must be oil soluble so I don't think you can retrieve those with water.

I can't wait to try oil that has not been winterized with the PEG to see if that concentrate will cover the chemical taste. For now, adding flavors, it seems to be working out great. At first I didn't like the idea of it, but I am liking it more now. I like using the flavors that are NF Organic, pretty much plant extracts. Yes, some do have an artificial candy taste, but that is how the plants are. At least with the concentrated flavors. Only one or two drops per gram of oil makes all the difference. Lemon/Lime, Apple, Vanilla, Watermelon, the list goes on, here is a link for you and Demon Trich you may like these flavors: https://highdesertvapes.com/categories/DIY/DIY-Flavors/NF-Organic/ two pages of different NF Organic flavors.

I have extracted water soluble from my product in the past (red oil). I extracted it from the material left over after doing an alcohol extraction to make RSO. I just did it to see if I could retrieve the red oil. I let the waste product evaporate out the alcohol and get bone dry. Then I did the extraction with cold water using the same methods as with a solvent. It did not have any flavors except for tasting gross. It seemed to have the scent or allergens, I am sure some terps were in there. I wish I could have had it tested to see if it had anything beneficial in it.
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I have been testing stuff for vaporizing non stop and putting up my experiences in my blog "My Experience with Portable Vaporizers (Pen Vaporizers) for Concentrated Cannabis Oil and E-Cigarette Oil".

Right now I am vaping with a SmokTech Magento using an 18490 battery, a 510 to eGo thread adapter, and a KangerTech AeroTank Mini. I have a mix of winterized QWISO hash, 2 drops of NF Organic Plum Apricot DIY Flavor, and about 40% PEG400 NF/USP.
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The mini is the pink one on the right.

Something about those mechanical vapes, it is working real good with the mini but has not been fully tested yet. I am working on that It gets me baked!!

Just cut some of these down. This time I will make a small batch of QWISO and not winterize it. Then mix it up with some PEG400 and see how it tastes. You know, when I look in my garden nowadays I don't really see a "field of buds" I see vials of oil!

Strawberry Cough
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Boy you’re one busy lady. Way ahead of me.

re terps; I’m going to be using steam as a thermal conductor, not as a solvent, at least that’s the plan. The idea is to control the vapor temp in hopes of capturing the volatile stuff. The boiling point of the majority of the monoterps is actually quite high. So I’m guessing the real issue is that there’s just not that many molecules and they’re easily volatized. Then again, I could be full of shit and will have to figure something else out. I have a bud that swears by some "blue berry" concentrate.

re winterization; I go back and forth on whether or not I need to. The waxes aren’t the issue for me, but since I plan on using BHO as the concentrate, I just want to make sure I’ve provided an opportunity for whatever by products are in solution, a shot at evaporation. I’ve had various samples of BHO tested and the residuals are definitely relatively higher without the second wash. I’ll have to make some and get it to the lab. QWISO may end up being a better way to go.

I do have a few questions;
Since you’re planning on skipping the winterizing step for the PEG test, I assume you’re not going to decarb? Seems to make sense provided the vap temp of these devices is at least 200 deg C, and they get that to the juice. Have you actually measured any of your atomizer temps under load?

Assuming you end up with a pretty good shot of terps any idea how this will affect environmentals? Ie, do you expect to smell like you’re smoking a joint?

Nice SC is it a TGA offspring? I like the smell and taste of their stuff.

Thanks for the info..

 

[Eric M]

With the mA I am not sure what he is saying either. My pen batteries range from 650 mAh and up and that has to do with the length of time it holds the charge. On my APV MOD vape (SVD) that has 1/2 watt increments to increase or decrease and 1/10 volt increments to increase or decrease to adjust the "temps" right where you want them.

PEG vs. PG USP, really it all depends on what unit I am using. The PG USP doesn't interfere with flavors for me, but it can be harsh on the throat. When I winterize my concentrates is when I kiss my flavors good bye. The flavanoids must be oil soluble so I don't think you can retrieve those with water.

I can't wait to try oil that has not been winterized with the PEG to see if that concentrate will cover the chemical taste. For now, adding flavors, it seems to be working out great. At first I didn't like the idea of it, but I am liking it more now. I like using the flavors that are NF Organic, pretty much plant extracts. Yes, some do have an artificial candy taste, but that is how the plants are. At least with the concentrated flavors. Only one or two drops per gram of oil makes all the difference. Lemon/Lime, Apple, Vanilla, Watermelon, the list goes on, here is a link for you and Demon Trich you may like these flavors: https://highdesertvapes.com/categories/DIY/DIY-Flavors/NF-Organic/ two pages of different NF Organic flavors.

I have extracted water soluble from my product in the past (red oil). I extracted it from the material left over after doing an alcohol extraction to make RSO. I just did it to see if I could retrieve the red oil. I let the waste product evaporate out the alcohol and get bone dry. Then I did the extraction with cold water using the same methods as with a solvent. It did not have any flavors except for tasting gross. It seemed to have the scent or allergens, I am sure some terps were in there. I wish I could have had it tested to see if it had anything beneficial in it.
View attachment 3196458

I have been testing stuff for vaporizing non stop and putting up my experiences in my blog "My Experience with Portable Vaporizers (Pen Vaporizers) for Concentrated Cannabis Oil and E-Cigarette Oil".

Right now I am vaping with a SmokTech Magento using an 18490 battery, a 510 to eGo thread adapter, and a KangerTech AeroTank Mini. I have a mix of winterized QWISO hash, 2 drops of NF Organic Plum Apricot DIY Flavor, and about 40% PEG400 NF/USP.
View attachment 3196469
The mini is the pink one on the right.

Something about those mechanical vapes, it is working real good with the mini but has not been fully tested yet. I am working on that It gets me baked!!

Just cut some of these down. This time I will make a small batch of QWISO and not winterize it. Then mix it up with some PEG400 and see how it tastes. You know, when I look in my garden nowadays I don't really see a "field of buds" I see vials of oil!

Strawberry Cough
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amperage and voltage settings

 

[Eric M]

Hey thanks.
I wonder if the higher molecular weight stuff is too viscous?
Keep us posted.

its not just the viscosity you have to look at the vaporization temps, since you are not only using 400 because its a solvent but it vaporizes within a few degrees of thc

 

[Eric M]

Boy you’re one busy lady. Way ahead of me.

re terps; I’m going to be using steam as a thermal conductor, not as a solvent, at least that’s the plan. The idea is to control the vapor temp in hopes of capturing the volatile stuff. The boiling point of the majority of the monoterps is actually quite high. So I’m guessing the real issue is that there’s just not that many molecules and they’re easily volatized. Then again, I could be full of shit and will have to figure something else out. I have a bud that swears by some "blue berry" concentrate.

re winterization; I go back and forth on whether or not I need to. The waxes aren’t the issue for me, but since I plan on using BHO as the concentrate, I just want to make sure I’ve provided an opportunity for whatever by products are in solution, a shot at evaporation. I’ve had various samples of BHO tested and the residuals are definitely relatively higher without the second wash. I’ll have to make some and get it to the lab. QWISO may end up being a better way to go.

I do have a few questions;
Since you’re planning on skipping the winterizing step for the PEG test, I assume you’re not going to decarb? Seems to make sense provided the vap temp of these devices is at least 200 deg C, and they get that to the juice. Have you actually measured any of your atomizer temps under load?

Assuming you end up with a pretty good shot of terps any idea how this will affect environmentals? Ie, do you expect to smell like you’re smoking a joint?

Nice SC is it a TGA offspring? I like the smell and taste of their stuff.

Thanks for the info..

essential oil still( not thc but flavs and smells)

 

[Grow Goddess]

Boy you’re one busy lady. Way ahead of me.

re terps; I’m going to be using steam as a thermal conductor, not as a solvent, at least that’s the plan. The idea is to control the vapor temp in hopes of capturing the volatile stuff. The boiling point of the majority of the monoterps is actually quite high. So I’m guessing the real issue is that there’s just not that many molecules and they’re easily volatized. Then again, I could be full of shit and will have to figure something else out. I have a bud that swears by some "blue berry" concentrate.

re winterization; I go back and forth on whether or not I need to. The waxes aren’t the issue for me, but since I plan on using BHO as the concentrate, I just want to make sure I’ve provided an opportunity for whatever by products are in solution, a shot at evaporation. I’ve had various samples of BHO tested and the residuals are definitely relatively higher without the second wash. I’ll have to make some and get it to the lab. QWISO may end up being a better way to go.

I do have a few questions;
Since you’re planning on skipping the winterizing step for the PEG test, I assume you’re not going to decarb? Seems to make sense provided the vap temp of these devices is at least 200 deg C, and they get that to the juice. Have you actually measured any of your atomizer temps under load?

Assuming you end up with a pretty good shot of terps any idea how this will affect environmentals? Ie, do you expect to smell like you’re smoking a joint?

Nice SC is it a TGA offspring? I like the smell and taste of their stuff.

Thanks for the info..

Decarbing, not decarbing, I have tried it both ways. Each are similar but still different. I will make QWISO (non decarbed) for the next PEG test.
I like eating the decarbed oil (RSO) but it vapes good too.

No, I have not measured the temps under load. Either way, the vape is just as potent whether I use decarbed or non decarbed oil. There is a difference in taste and buzz though.

Vaping is the safest when it comes to aroma. You would literally have to blow the vapor at someone for them to smell it. The aroma disappears quickly. You could be vaping, someone walks in the room and they could not smell that you are vaping cannabis. Same goes for in a car. It is not like smoking a joint in a car. You ditch the vape, crack a window and you are good.

The SC is Dutch Passion, it appears to be a more rare indica phenotype rather than the typical sativa. Been growing it since 2009. I do like TGA gear. I have Querkle and Qush are two of my favorites. I have ran SpaceDawg, I am not keeping that one but I will be trying Plushberry next. I also have Ace of Spades, but don't know if I will get around to trying it though.

 

[god1]

View attachment 3197346 View attachment 3197347 amperage and voltage settings

Eric,
That pen of yours is pretty hefty. I had a look at the specs and I notice it gives you the opportunity to set volts or watts. Also noticed that the standard atomizer is 2.1 ohms. So unless you’re using something other than the standard atomizer, your current will be about 1.9 amps,(1900 ma), not 52 ma. provided you set the voltage to 4 volts. With 3.4v delivered to 2.1 ohms, you get 5.5 watts to the atomizer and or 1.62 amps. If the top pic is showing your choice of 12 watts, you'd be driving 2.39 amps into 2.1 ohms. This is all assuming you are using the standard atomizer.

The steam vid is conceptually what I’m going to attempt, but the process will be slightly different in the sense that I will be using vacuum to establish the best temp to recover the volatile stuff. If it works as planed, I’ll see if I can convert to a top down steam delivery system.

 

[god1]

Decarbing, not decarbing, I have tried it both ways. Each are similar but still different. I will make QWISO (non decarbed) for the next PEG test.
I like eating the decarbed oil (RSO) but it vapes good too.

No, I have not measured the temps under load. Either way, the vape is just as potent whether I use decarbed or non decarbed oil. There is a difference in taste and buzz though.

Vaping is the safest when it comes to aroma. You would literally have to blow the vapor at someone for them to smell it. The aroma disappears quickly. You could be vaping, someone walks in the room and they could not smell that you are vaping cannabis. Same goes for in a car. It is not like smoking a joint in a car. You ditch the vape, crack a window and you are good.

The SC is Dutch Passion, it appears to be a more rare indica phenotype rather than the typical sativa. Been growing it since 2009. I do like TGA gear. I have Querkle and Qush are two of my favorites. I have ran SpaceDawg, I am not keeping that one but I will be trying Plushberry next. I also have Ace of Spades, but don't know if I will get around to trying it though.

Sounds good, I just need to get some time and get busy. I've got the PEG coming.

 

[Eric M]

Eric,
That pen of yours is pretty hefty. I had a look at the specs and I notice it gives you the opportunity to set volts or watts. Also noticed that the standard atomizer is 2.1 ohms. So unless you’re using something other than the standard atomizer, your current will be about 1.9 amps,(1900 ma), not 52 ma. provided you set the voltage to 4 volts. With 3.4v delivered to 2.1 ohms, you get 5.5 watts to the atomizer and or 1.62 amps. If the top pic is showing your choice of 12 watts, you'd be driving 2.39 amps into 2.1 ohms. This is all assuming you are using the standard atomizer.

The steam vid is conceptually what I’m going to attempt, but the process will be slightly different in the sense that I will be using vacuum to establish the best temp to recover the volatile stuff. If it works as planed, I’ll see if I can convert to a top down steam delivery system.

i dont know where i said 52 ma i must have mistyped
and yes the vtr works great

 

[god1]

i dont know where i said 52 ma i must have mistyped
and yes the vtr works great

Yes, you're correct, my bad --- you said 13 ma @ 4V, which would have been 52 mw. I meant to say given a load of 2.1 ohms and a voltage of 4V, 52 mw or 13 ma., is way too low.
Never the less, you have a nice device.
Regards

 

[Eric M]

Yes, you're correct, my bad --- you said 13 ma @ 4V, which would have been 52 mw. I meant to say given a load of 2.1 ohms and a voltage of 4V, 52 mw or 13 ma., is way too low.
Never the less, you have a nice device.
Regards

i dont think that the current is displayed in any unit it just goes from 3 to 15,, it blows out most single coil tanks if you turn it up above its lowest settings
it works very well in social situations where you can still pass it around, and everybody gets baked, like the old days.
if you were considering one its well worth it

 

[Grow Goddess]

Eric M
I am really surprised to see that TECC VTR. I have never heard of TECC. One of the most reputable and popular manufacturers is innokin. The TECC VTR looks just like the innokin iTaste VTR. https://highdesertvapes.com/products/Innokin-iTaste-VTR-Kit.html I wonder who is the original manufacturer of the VTR.

I like the SVD. I was considering getting the VTR, but since the tank mounts on the side I don't think I can use it with my favorite KangerTech Mega tank, it is too large to fit. Does that sound right to you, that the VTR is limited on the diameter of the attachment?

 

[Eric M]

Eric M
I am really surprised to see that TECC VTR. I have never heard of TECC. One of the most reputable and popular manufacturers is innokin. The TECC VTR looks just like the innokin iTaste VTR. https://highdesertvapes.com/products/Innokin-iTaste-VTR-Kit.html I wonder who is the original manufacturer of the VTR.

I like the SVD. I was considering getting the VTR, but since the tank mounts on the side I don't think I can use it with my favorite KangerTech Mega tank, it is too large to fit. Does that sound right to you, that the VTR is limited on the diameter of the attachment?

check out the itaste MVP has phone charging capabilities and top tank. the kanger 3 fits the VTR and the VTR comes with an adapter to let you use any tank on top, its in my camper when i get it i will post pic for you,, oh yeah i got my VTR in florida from totally wicked, they are an overseas company taking over on the east,,, coast big corporation i think in england

 

[Eric M]

check out the itaste MVP has phone charging capabilities and top tank. the kanger 3 fits the VTR and the VTR comes with an adapter to let you use any tank on top, its in my camper when i get it i will post pic for you,, oh yeah i got my VTR in florida from totally wicked, they are an overseas company taking over on the east,,, coast big corporation i think in england

That looks exactly like the TECC which only cost 70 bucks in the store in florida, everything is more expensive here in colorado

 

[Eric M]

check out the itaste MVP has phone charging capabilities and top tank. the kanger 3 fits the VTR and the VTR comes with an adapter to let you use any tank on top, its in my camper when i get it i will post pic for you,, oh yeah i got my VTR in florida from totally wicked, they are an overseas company taking over on the east,,, coast big corporation i think in england

http://www.vapeitnow.com/innokin-itaste-starter-kit.html they are only 99 here

 

[Eric M]

GG,

Any suggestions where to buy food quality PEG 400? With the little looking I've done it seems that a lot a folks are re-packaging the Dow Carbowax stuff.

I'm just not sure who to trust. For one thing, it has to be the Sentry product, or it isn't NF/USP grade.

I'm thinking about this one place named Tex Supply Lab, but don't really know anything about them. Ever heard of them?

Thanks

 

[ODanksta]

I tried about a year ago and failed, but i have a great connect with CO2 oil and it goes straight into the cartomizers, works and taste great but always leaks into the batteries. Btw the best pen ive ever used for shatter is the atmos the heating element is far superior

 

[Eric M]

I tried about a year ago and failed, but i have a great connect with CO2 oil and it goes straight into the cartomizers, works and taste great but always leaks into the batteries. Btw the best pen ive ever used for shatter is the atmos the heating element is far superior

its not real hard go on ebay and order " the rite stuff " or get some peg 400 USP where ever you want, and melt your shatter or flake in a shot glass mix and enjoy, it will cost you less then the co2 oil I bet, and at one gram to 5ml its way stronger then open vape oil