Should the US support Israel forever ?

Should the US support Israel, no matter what?


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DonAlejandroVega

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too bad they didn't choose "Amalekites," as a phoney name, instead of "Philistines."
then they could just be slaughtered "hip and thigh."
they are the biggest lie in Modern times.
 

puredata

Member
To general;

the fact that Jerusalem did not mentioned in Islamic literature is absolutely wrong. There are bunch of academic researches about Jerusalem in Quran. This is one of them in Turkish.

http://portal.firat.edu.tr/Disaridan/_TEMP/278/file/2004-1/KURANDA KUDS.pdf

In the middle east there were always war. There'll be. But the point that people asking for their lands because their holy book says that the land is their own property does not make any sense. My ancestors (Turks) ruled all of the countries talked above for 600 years till 1920's. Now we're living in a small portion of our former lands. Do we need to conquer all over the place again because there are lots of people in Turkey missing the holy Ottoman Empire?

No. All we need is peace. All we need is to support union of the nations, not the new borders which causes more blood and deaths without any gain.

Sorry for broken english.
 

DonAlejandroVega

Well-Known Member
To general;

the fact that Jerusalem did not mentioned in Islamic literature is absolutely wrong. There are bunch of academic researches about Jerusalem in Quran. This is one of them in Turkish.

http://portal.firat.edu.tr/Disaridan/_TEMP/278/file/2004-1/KURANDA KUDS.pdf

In the middle east there were always war. There'll be. But the point that people asking for their lands because their holy book says that the land is their own property does not make any sense. My ancestors (Turks) ruled all of the countries talked above for 600 years till 1920's. Now we're living in a small portion of our former lands. Do we need to conquer all over the place again because there are lots of people in Turkey missing the holy Ottoman Empire?

No. All we need is peace. All we need is to support union of the nations, not the new borders which causes more blood and deaths without any gain.

Sorry for broken english.
my family lived under Ottoman rule. and czarist rule. according to which way the wars went. they were sipahi for the Sultan, but were impressed into the Czar's service.
 

DonAlejandroVega

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the Jews will not surrender the Holy of Holies, so that Islam may have its third most Holy.........maybe.
Jerusalem is never identified as "al-Quds."
 

puredata

Member
This is the problem with religious people for me. You guys refer to some books that I don't (sorry but) care.

Not only yours, the book that practiced in my territory or in the U.S. Same for me, they can't be reference for anybody.

If that was the case, you should support all the Islamic terrorist becuse Quran tells them if they want heaven with endless amounts of pussies, they should capture all the world.

I'm glad I heard that you're a grand son (or son?) of sipahi. We owe much of the victories to their braveness.

PS. I'm not anti semitist or what ever the right term by the way. My best friend's name was Shai when we're a child back in Istanbul.
 

DonAlejandroVega

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This is the problem with religious people for me. You guys refer to some books that I don't (sorry but) care.

Not only yours, the book that practiced in my territory or in the U.S. Same for me, they can't be reference for anybody.

If that was the case, you should support all the Islamic terrorist becuse Quran tells them if they want heaven with endless amounts of pussies, they should capture all the world.

I'm glad I heard that you're a grand son (or son?) of sipahi. We owe much of the victories to their braveness.

PS. I'm not anti semitist or what ever the right term by the way. My best friend's name was Shai when we're a child back in Istanbul.
I am an atheist :)
great-grandson.
 

earnest_voice

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yep.
retarded.

you cant understand a compound sentence.

the pallies do not want a "right of return" to the occupied territories, they want the right to flood into ISRAEL so they can "democratically" transform israel into "palestine" and install a moslem government which will then join up with jordan.

it's not a secret, they say it openly.

further, UN resolutions mean nothing.

their non-binding resolutions are as pointless as your argments.

the UN pasing resolutions is almost as retarded as libya being the head of the human rights commission.
You dug your hole when stating

israel's military occupation is well within the bounds of the geneva protocols for a MILITARY OCCUPATION
Yet when called on your fictitious and farcical talking points, you start back peddling calling the geneva convention a UN resolution , which it is not and saying it essentially means nothing - yet Israel chose to become a signatory yet cannot abide by its commitment.

Not sure if you're aware but the 4th geneva convention is specifically a treatie, defining humanitarian protections for civilians in a war zone.

Israel is NOT compliant with any articles in the convention. ie Parts 1 - 4 (which includes nearly all articles)

Try getting your facts right before spewing easily verifiable lies... (the trappings of christian zionism i guess)
 

Dr Kynes

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You dug your hole when stating



Yet when called on your fictitious and farcical talking points, you start back peddling calling the geneva convention a UN resolution , which it is not and saying it essentially means nothing - yet Israel chose to become a signatory yet cannot abide by its commitment.

Not sure if you're aware but the 4th geneva convention is specifically a treatie, defining humanitarian protections for civilians in a war zone.

Israel is NOT compliant with any articles in the convention. ie Parts 1 - 4 (which includes nearly all articles)

Try getting your facts right before spewing easily verifiable lies... (the trappings of christian zionism i guess)
shit youre a retard

youre so fucking retarded you cant even understantd what im talking about when YOU blather about some non-binding un resolution and the geneva convention.

only the pallies and their moronic international supporters are delusional enough to pretend that the pallies are "at war" with israel. and only a blithering moron would try to claim the geneva convention's protections on behalf of the assholes who DONT RESPECT IT AT ALL

but clearly you are that kind of profoundly retarded mentally handicapped idiot micro-cephallic dimwit

i NEVER called the geneva convention a "un resolution" you mindless turd.

the pallies have NOT been the victims of "war crimes" or violations of the geneva convention, the pallies are the PERPETRATORS of those crimes, and only a numbskull would believe otherwise

every one of the wild claims made in the un report you claimed was so authoritative is BULLSHIT

it was not not even a resolution, just a series of baseless accusations from a pallie front grooup citing the baseless and insane claims from a hippie Be-In from the 60's led by bertie russel and jean paul sratre (two luminaries in the field of international law and the rules of war) where they sat around spitballing different ways to blame the us for whatever they could dream up.

it had NOTHING to do with the israelis, it had NO probative value, and amounted to a big fat NOTHING

and the pallies thought THAT nonsense was their Golden Ticket to forcing the jews back into auschwitz?

they are almost as stupid as you.

accusing me of being a "christian zionist" is the typical move of a moron who cant argue on the issue and instead creates a fiction on which to hang his ad hominems

as i am not even a christian, it's really hard for me to be a "christian zionist", but youre so stupid you'll probably next call me a jew as if that somehow makes your lies more truthy.

maybe youll dig into the internet neo-nazi playbook and call me a Hasberat.

go ahead, drone on all you like, i am more than willing to prove youre a fool over and over again.
 

DonAlejandroVega

Well-Known Member
on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:






The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.



For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.
 

DonAlejandroVega

Well-Known Member
1.2 million of my fellow Sephardim were murdered, robbed, and/or expelled from their "host" countries, beginning in 1948. there has been a population exchange. it has happened before. if the Phoneystinian Arabs don't like it, they should be set on fire.
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
shit youre a retard

youre so fucking retarded you cant even understantd what im talking about when YOU blather about some non-binding un resolution and the geneva convention.

only the pallies and their moronic international supporters are delusional enough to pretend that the pallies are "at war" with israel. and only a blithering moron would try to claim the geneva convention's protections on behalf of the assholes who DONT RESPECT IT AT ALL

but clearly you are that kind of profoundly retarded mentally handicapped idiot micro-cephallic dimwit

i NEVER called the geneva convention a "un resolution" you mindless turd.

the pallies have NOT been the victims of "war crimes" or violations of the geneva convention, the pallies are the PERPETRATORS of those crimes, and only a numbskull would believe otherwise

every one of the wild claims made in the un report you claimed was so authoritative is BULLSHIT

it was not not even a resolution, just a series of baseless accusations from a pallie front grooup citing the baseless and insane claims from a hippie Be-In from the 60's led by bertie russel and jean paul sratre (two luminaries in the field of international law and the rules of war) where they sat around spitballing different ways to blame the us for whatever they could dream up.

it had NOTHING to do with the israelis, it had NO probative value, and amounted to a big fat NOTHING

and the pallies thought THAT nonsense was their Golden Ticket to forcing the jews back into auschwitz?

they are almost as stupid as you.

accusing me of being a "christian zionist" is the typical move of a moron who cant argue on the issue and instead creates a fiction on which to hang his ad hominems

as i am not even a christian, it's really hard for me to be a "christian zionist", but youre so stupid you'll probably next call me a jew as if that somehow makes your lies more truthy.

maybe youll dig into the internet neo-nazi playbook and call me a Hasberat.

go ahead, drone on all you like, i am more than willing to prove youre a fool over and over again.

What I find absolutely amazing is that the other side will never even agree that Palestine should stop attacking Israel... They seem to feel that it is justified and Israel must make all the concessions and then........ profit....
 

earnest_voice

Well-Known Member
shit youre a retard


youre so fucking retarded you cant even understantd what im talking about when YOU blather about some non-binding un resolution and the geneva convention.

False. You wrongly stated the following


israel's military occupation is well within the bounds of the geneva protocols for a MILITARY OCCUPATION against irregular forces and un-uniformed militants, spies and saboteurs.

I was correcting one of your many errors. The context of the discussion was in reference to the three protocols that make up the 4th Geneva Convention, NOT, the Geneva Protocol. Please keep up.


only the pallies and their moronic international supporters are delusional enough to pretend that the pallies are "at war" with israel. and only a blithering moron would try to claim the geneva convention's protections on behalf of the assholes who DONT RESPECT IT AT ALL


but clearly you are that kind of profoundly retarded mentally handicapped idiot micro-cephallic dimwit


That doesn’t strengthen your argument. How you project your outward manifestations aren’t relevant to this discussion. Please remember accusing me of being a "insert ad hominem" is the typical move of a moron who cant argue on the issue and instead creates a fiction on which to hang his ad hominems


i NEVER called the geneva convention a "un resolution" you mindless turd.
The implication in post #89 indicates otherwise.

the pallies have NOT been the victims of "war crimes" or violations of the geneva convention, the pallies are the PERPETRATORS of those crimes, and only a numbskull would believe otherwise
Yes they have you’re too stupid and/or blinded by religion to see otherwise. Your thinking is in line with those you detest – IRONY!

go ahead, drone on all you like, i am more than willing to prove youre a fool over and over again.
The only fool here is the moron making statements like this;

your stupid little propaganda picture makes the assumption, that there was EVER a "palestine" or a "palestinian" people, there wasnt.
Yet if it was rephrased to substitute “Palestine” for “Israel” and “Palestinian” for “Israeli” it would be considered anti-semetic and offensive. Another double standard. Thanks for playing.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
What I find absolutely amazing is that the other side will never even agree that Palestine should stop attacking Israel... They seem to feel that it is justified and Israel must make all the concessions and then........ profit....
their arguments and agenda are thinly veiled neo-nazism, hiding behind the fig leaf of opposition to "zionism"

and like all neo-nazis they are completely incompetent at making an argument without ad hominems and accusations of being "one of THEM" which usually winds up translating to "U R A DURTY JEW"

when i was a lad we used to stomp the shit out of boneheads just for fun, but now in the internet age, they dont strut around in their red suspenders and oversized boots so much, they hide behind their keyboards and make vague accusations and speak in dogwhistles.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
False. You wrongly stated the following
double false you dimwit.
israel's militatry occupation is WELL within the bounds of the pertinent portions of the geneva convention.

why hasnt anyone been dragged before the hague yet? cuz the accusations of "war crimes" are coming from WAR CRIMINALS who are in fact only making thae claims because they are getting their asses kicked and they want outside help.




I was correcting one of your many errors. The context of the discussion was in reference to the three protocols that make up the 4th Geneva Convention, NOT, the Geneva Protocol. Please keep up.
ohh so now when you falsely claim i stated "the geneva convention was a un resolution" you were REALLY just correcting my mistakes...

i see.

you were only lying because you thought i said something i didnt and you felt a lie would correct my imaginary error.

good work dipshit, you sound smarter every day.









That doesn’t strengthen your argument. How you project your outward manifestations aren’t relevant to this discussion. Please remember accusing me of being a "insert ad hominem" is the typical move of a moron who cant argue on the issue and instead creates a fiction on which to hang his ad hominems
thats not an ad hominem, it is an observation based on clearly evidenced facts.

you are profoundly retarded (see above), dim witted (see your collected works) mentally handicapped (inabiltity to read and comprehend simple statements) and micro-cephallic (big words you not understand)
an ad hominem is the use of attacks against the person to fallaciously attempt to refute an argument.
i have been refuting your arguments left and right quite handily, while my observations on your obvious mental handicaps are simply colour commentary.



The implication in post #89 indicates otherwise.
rational people cannot be held responsible for what morons infer from clear and unambiguous statements.

there was no such implication, all that shit happened inside you own tiny, tiny pointed head.



Yes they have you’re too stupid and/or blinded by religion to see otherwise. Your thinking is in line with those you detest – IRONY!
spies and sabotuers who attack civilian targets schools hosp[itals and neighborhoods without uniforms, by putting bombs in the backpacks of retarded kids are the perpetrators of Crimes Against Humantiy, the israelis dont do that shit, only your buddies the "palestinians" and their supporters, who coincidentally are also sandland frootloops, do that shit.



The only fool here is the moron making statements like this
ohh you mean ACCURATE STATEMENTS?
yeah i can see where you might feel accurate statements are unfair to you and your agenda since your entirte argument is just a tissue of lies.
sadly for you, i dont give a squirt of piss about your feelings, or how unfair you think it is for me to make factual statements when you cant provide any for your own position.

all arguments are not created equal, some are made of bullshit and lies (like yours) and others are firmly grounded in fact (like mine)

that you have chosen to stand on a mound of crap to shout your nonsense, does not require me to similarly handicap myself.




Yet if it was rephrased to substitute “Palestine” for “Israel” and “Palestinian” for “Israeli” it would be considered anti-semetic and offensive. Another double standard. Thanks for playing.
and if wishes was horses we would all be eating steak.

your above statement makes NO FUCKING SENSE

the jews DID get overrrun by the hadjis, and WERE forced out of their homeland for centuries while the towel heads turned their "land of milk and honey" into a dung heap.

the jews are back in israel now (even if it is only a small portion of it) and they are not gonna be driven out by fools like you or your buddies in hamas and hezzbollah.

you just arent strong enough to do the job.

the jews have been toughened by centuries of pogrom persecution and diaspora, the towelheads have no chance, not even if they get fools like you to repeat their lies for them.
 

socalcoolmx

Well-Known Member
Did the Europeans not have a right to launch guerrilla attacks on the Nazi occupation regimes

Israel claims it does not target civilians, that hamas uses women and children as human shields
how about the four children killed today playing soccer on the beach. Could this be another Israel war crime?
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
When the dollar fails all support will be lost, the only thing that would remain is war, and lots of it.
 

hydroMD

Well-Known Member
America will always support Israel. For a couple reasons know to the public, and probably a few unbeknownst to most considering its politics.

A) We are sworn allies forever. Ending that would have multiple worldwide implications

B) America is founded on the belief of god and the holy bible. (Also a big portion of voting Americans are religious)

C) If Israel was ever to fall, they would destroy their country before seeing it go to people that were not jewish. Also causing worldwide implications with radiation levels already teatering on a global scale.

(And its not like anyone is going to try and shut down Israels nuclear program)
Edit: i know Israel is not a member of the NPT, but I think its pretty evident they have established nukes as an attack deturrant. If i was in the kiddle east and had their weapons capability i know i would.


D) To many it is prophecy that when Israel falls, it is end times.. which looking at it from a political view these days, is not that far off.

Same could also be said for about 8 different countries that we are not allied with though
 
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