Cloning a clone of a clone?

[green_machine_two9er]

Ive always thought(not sure why) Cloning a 2nd generation Plant will cause hermies/ stress, basically bad news?Is there any truth to this.
Mother>Clone>Clone>?this generation?
I want to Keep my lemon skunk as its one of My favorite strains but have no more seeds.

 

[dankdope]

probably a lot of haters of that practise on here but a good friend of mine hasn't used mother plants for over 10 years, just always cloned from clones 2nd week into flower. the only downside of it is if you stuff up a new batch of clones it takes a while to get a new lot ready because of reveg. hes been running the same strain for over 12 years and no problems from it and consistently no apparent loss of vigour or yeild

 

[GroErr]

I used mothers but also clones from clones for years outdoor with no real problems other than one plant that I had cloned and used as a mother eventually started showing up hermies, but I'm talking 5-6 years I had that strain going. Grabbing clones from existing plants, then cloning those a few times seems like pretty common practice in perpetual grows. Eventually I believe there is degradation, resulting in hermies and less vigour but imo you can run a couple of years with no significant issues doing this. I'm running a JTR clone from a clone in my current run, it's no different than the original plant in size or bud coverage.

 

[green_machine_two9er]

probably a lot of haters of that practise on here but a good friend of mine hasn't used mother plants for over 10 years, just always cloned from clones 2nd week into flower. the only downside of it is if you stuff up a new batch of clones it takes a while to get a new lot ready because of reveg. hes been running the same strain for over 12 years and no problems from it and consistently no apparent loss of vigour or yeild

hmm interesting, i would be making this 2nd gen plant into a mother ad be keeping her around for a while.
As long as seeds and bananas dont start popping im happy. thanks for input

 

[green_machine_two9er]

I used mothers but also clones from clones for years outdoor with no real problems other than one plant that I had cloned and used as a mother eventually started showing up hermies, but I'm talking 5-6 years I had that strain going. Grabbing clones from existing plants, then cloning those a few times seems like pretty common practice in perpetual grows. Eventually I believe there is degradation, resulting in hermies and less vigour but imo you can run a couple of years with no significant issues doing this. I'm running a JTR clone from a clone in my current run, it's no different than the original plant in size or bud coverage.

Great thankyou. will be taking clones this weekend.

 

[Deusracing]

hmm interesting, i would be making this 2nd gen plant into a mother ad be keeping her around for a while.
As long as seeds and bananas dont start popping im happy. thanks for input

This is an excellent thread the strain I'm growing now was a 20 year old strain its PK Ripper Midwesterns finest.. Not sure how many generations my plant is but the picture I'm gonna posts shows the clone i received a few months back.. i took 21 cuttings from her and they are vegging beautifully... this is her late 4th week of 12/12 growing along side of a few of her girls in 1L Air pots... I say Grow it till it PUKES

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

I routinely clone off of ladies I like to save the genetics.
5-6 generations with no issues thus far.

 

[Sativied]

Ive always thought(not sure why) Cloning a 2nd generation Plant will cause hermies/ stress, basically bad news?Is there any truth to this.

No.

 

[Jimmyjonestoo]

I don't really have room for mothers so I've always cloned from clones. No issues yet .

 

[green_machine_two9er]

thanks for all the input on this subject. seems like the consensus is clone away.

 

[racerboy71]

think of all of the clone only strains that have been around for years and years.. i think uk cheese has been going since the 80s, around 88'ish, idk, i forget.. gsc, all of these og clones, real bubba kush, blue dream, the list is pretty endless..
if what you are talking about happened, none of these strains would be as highly sought after as they are, and people woulnd't be paying huge money for super exclusive cuts..

 

[green_machine_two9er]

think of all of the clone only strains that have been around for years and years.. i think uk cheese has been going since the 80s, around 88'ish, idk, i forget.. gsc, all of these og clones, real bubba kush, blue dream, the list is pretty endless..
if what you are talking about happened, none of these strains would be as highly sought after as they are, and people woulnd't be paying huge money for super exclusive cuts..

i always thought these genetics were saved through propagation.

 

[racerboy71]

i always thought these genetics were saved through propagation.

what do you mean by propagation? when you think of it, every single say for instance blue dream clone all came from the same mother.. idk how old blue dream is, idk yet's go with 10 years old for shits and giggles.. so, for 10 years now, every single cut of blue dream is generations upon generation from the same mother plant.. pretty much the same for all clone only's.. sure, some people might start a new mom now and then, but in reality, they all came from one place..

 

[BDOGKush]

What if the plant experiences an extreme amount of stress during a generation and its the only plant you have to clone from?

I have a cut of cheese that went through a horrible spider mite infestation, I got rid of the infestation and cloned the plant. I can no longer pull the same yield as I used to with it. It's just not the same plant anymore IMO.

Racer, Sativied, thoughts? Lol

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

what do you mean by propagation? when you think of it, every single say for instance blue dream clone all came from the same mother.. idk how old blue dream is, idk yet's go with 10 years old for shits and giggles.. so, for 10 years now, every single cut of blue dream is generations upon generation from the same mother plant.. pretty much the same for all clone only's.. sure, some people might start a new mom now and then, but in reality, they all came from one place..

The mothers I have are all clones.
And they love me for keeping them around.

 

[green_machine_two9er]

what do you mean by propagation? when you think of it, every single say for instance blue dream clone all came from the same mother.. idk how old blue dream is, idk yet's go with 10 years old for shits and giggles.. so, for 10 years now, every single cut of blue dream is generations upon generation from the same mother plant.. pretty much the same for all clone only's.. sure, some people might start a new mom now and then, but in reality, they all came from one place..

Sorry Meant Propagation as in sexual reproduction to create seeds. like when i order seeds those seeds come from a female that has been bread with male plant. male and female are both Blue dream, thus blue dream seeds and genetics passed on through next generation.

 

[racerboy71]

What if the plant experiences an extreme amount of stress during a generation and its the only plant you have to clone from?

I have a cut of cheese that went through a horrible spider mite infestation, I got rid of the infestation and cloned the plant. I can no longer pull the same yield as I used to with it. It's just not the same plant anymore IMO.

Racer, Sativied, thoughts? Lol

actually, and i know this will rile up a few people, but i have heard that gorrila glue 4 has recently had something like this happen to it.. i've heard, and idk how true it is, but the dude saying i think is pretty reputable, so i kind of believed it, said that gg4 has recently had something along the same lines happen to it. i forget what he said it was exactly now, but he said that pretty much all of the new gg4 clones are no good.. not no good, but not nearly as good as the clone before w/e happened to it recently..
so sure, i believe that stress, mites, p/m, pretty much anything like that, could severely damage a plant far enough that even it's offsrping won't bounch back.. that's why they always tell you to make sure the mother is in as good as shape as she can be..

 

[green_machine_two9er]

What if the plant experiences an extreme amount of stress during a generation and its the only plant you have to clone from?

I have a cut of cheese that went through a horrible spider mite infestation, I got rid of the infestation and cloned the plant. I can no longer pull the same yield as I used to with it. It's just not the same plant anymore IMO.

Racer, Sativied, thoughts? Lol

Since stress Can cause some pretty strange genetic mutations, my GUESS would be yes traits could be passed to clone which is genetic copy. I

 

[racerboy71]

Sorry Meant Propagation as in sexual reproduction to create seeds. like when i order seeds those seeds come from a female that has been bread with male plant. male and female are both Blue dream, thus blue dream seeds and genetics passed on through next generation.

sure, seeds are always going to be hardier, usually stronger over all plants then clones. seeded plants are less likely to get diseases. pm, etc, etc then clones.. after awhile, clones will just be more succeptable to these things..
as to the second part, how do you make seeds from clones where there's only a mother plant that was ever created, and no dad of the same plant? sure, you could s1 them with some cs i guess, but not every strain will throw nanners when the use of chemicals are applied to them...
if you happen to know what the genetics of a strain are, like blue dream is blueberry x ssh, you can always find a nice ssh and a nice blueberry, and breed them together, but is that every really going to be exactly like the clone only blue dream where i'm sure a special pheno of each was used? well, i guess it depends on who is doing the breeding.. i've seen a lot of grows of hso's blue dream, and i'm not saying they're not nice plants, i'm just saying i've seen some very indica leaning phenos where as the clone only is nothing indica about it..very thin leaves, a nice stretch in flower, and about a 10 or 11 week flower time, depending on how you like your smoke.

 

[BDOGKush]

Right, that was my thought on the matter and recently had a friend argue with me for over an hour on the subject because he doesn't want to see this cut go. This cut used to pull 2+ oz a plant just lolipopping and letting it do its thing, hardly pulls an ounce a plant under exact same feeding regiment and grow conditions anymore. Potency is still there, taste and smell are there, just grows weak branches and smaller, slightly fluffier buds now.