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canndo

canndo

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rory420420 said:
cortex..cognitive thinking was what i was getting at..
you can hook two end of a wire together,and call it a circuit..its still far frome a fuse panel..
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Rory, mankind is just now edging upon defining intelligence. We really have no idea what it is or how to recognize it.
there is an old thought experiment. Suppose you were young, had just shed your cloths and went alone for a swim. Aliens picked you up. They did not see in the spectrum we do and had no need to detect sound waves. They pit you in a cage.

how would you signal to them that you were a sentient being?
 
canndo

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kmog33 said:
This is a stupid argument, itching as a side effect of ingestion is an allergic reaction, your neurons reacting abnormally as a result of ingestion also is an allergic reaction.
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an hallucinogenic experience is not an alergic reaction any more than your pain being aleveviated with an opiate is.
 
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MightyMike530 said:
How does one know when they have shed the artifacts of the mind/human experience and are actually experiencing the personality of the chemical. I guess the only way is to go furthur, but even then, when you are no longer in your mind because the trip is so strong, you are still in your mind....hmmm
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you can only understand the personality of the chemical by comparing it to other chemicals.
 
canndo

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it is said that we are natures way of comprehending itself. Nature always does things in parallel. Shall we really assume that ours is the only species with cognitian? I would not dare to presume that. Plants have no heart yet they are able to move sap hundreds of feet in the air against gravity. They have no lungs yet they aspirate. They have no liver or kidneys yet the eliminate waste.

there is too much we do not know to claim that we are alone on thus planet.

never forget that an ape asked for a kitten as a pet. (and got it)
 
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canndo said:
it is said that we are natures way of comprehending itself. Nature always does things in parallel. Shall we really assume that ours is the only species with cognitian? I would not dare to presume that. Plants have no heart yet they are able to move sap hundreds of feet in the air against gravity. They have no lungs yet they aspirate. They have no liver or kidneys yet the eliminate waste.

there is too much we do not know to claim that we are alone on thus planet.

never forget that an ape asked for a kitten as a pet. (and got it)
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Right..... But mammals with cognitive thinking processes such as apes,rodents,dolphins have been known for a long time.....I agree there is a very real reality that plants have there own cognitive processes But I do not kno if I agree on being part of natures way of comprehending itself.....I think nature already knows itself it understands change(evolution)its understands and feels pain....(survival instincts) and Death(Survival of the fittest)...I think plants and funguses along with other rudimentary life(Protozoa,Bacteria) are the reset function of the world tho....For events like mass extinction?
 
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canndo said:
an hallucinogenic experience is not an alergic reaction any more than your pain being aleveviated with an opiate is.
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Opiates are a tiny bit different due to the fact that your brain produces all the chemicals that opiates effect. The nausea and hives or itching from opiates definitely is an allergic reaction though.

Your pain being relieved is a.side effect.
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WHODAT@THADOR said:
Right..... But mammals with cognitive thinking processes such as apes,rodents,dolphins have been known for a long time.....I agree there is a very real reality that plants have there own cognitive processes But I do not kno if I agree on being part of natures way of comprehending itself.....I think nature already knows itself it understands change(evolution)its understands and feels pain....(survival instincts) and Death(Survival of the fittest)...I think plants and funguses along with other rudimentary life(Protozoa,Bacteria) are the reset function of the world tho....For events like mass extinction?
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mind you, I would not claim that the thoughts are the same or even at the same speed. Would you be able to recognize thought that happened very slowly? I als will not classify fungus anywhere n. we also know that some birds are highly intelligent. they aear plants. Two differs t kingdoms in fact
they are not mammals.
 
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kmog33 said:
Opiates are a tiny bit different due to the fact that your brain produces all the chemicals that opiates effect. The nausea and hives or itching from opiates definitely is an allergic reaction though.

Your pain being relieved is a.side effect.
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if you introduce a chemical that has some affinity to a certain receptor or a is in a way interlocking, you will cause aberations in the biochemical action of the mind. This is not an alergic reaction.

what you are insinuating is that mescaline and LSD are simply irritants to the bodys natural defenses. And yes there is indeed a histamine reaction to opiates but that reaction is not what causes analgesia.
 
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my understanding is that psilocybin is metabolized into psilocin and that chemical acts directly in the neurotransmitters in the brain. I do not think those transmitters have anything directly to do with an immune or autoimmune response.
 
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