Testing the old "Defoliation" Argument

Commander Strax

Commander Strax

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ayr0n said:
Do I have to leave the lights out for 72 hours first and then flush with 75x the pot size worth of water? Also could you estimate my yield on this plant?
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you should do a week of lights out before the flip to 12/12

yes on the water at least 75x

about a pound
 
ayr0n

ayr0n

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Commander Strax said:
you should do a week of lights out before the flip to 12/12

yes on the water at least 75x

about a pound
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What if you just pour this in?


8)

Then only like 35x pot size in water should suffice?




Okay okay I'm done. Sorry Purp
 
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purplehays1

purplehays1

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ok well if anyone wants to actually see the results,and not a pissing competition between a bunch of assholes, watch my journal.

I can tell already that some of the people that respond so aggressively on these threads are often WRONG and thus very defensive. I am testing this out of my own curiosity and to see what works best in MY TINY 2x2x5 flowering area. I can tell you already the bushy plants are taking up more area in the tent with the same amount of bud sites, so they better produce more.
 
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chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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harris hawk said:
If you are a seasoned cultivator you know what I mean, no need to call people names. your replies reflect on what kind of person you are
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I asked if you pulled that out of your ass? I didn't call you any names, reading comprehension, probably why you think the plant doesn't use it's food storage when it needs it the most.Seasoned grower,lmfao.

and i should have known you wouldn't have anything to back it up other than BS.
 
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CaretakerDad

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chuck estevez said:
I asked if you pulled that out of your ass? I didn't call you any names, reading comprehension, probably why you think the plant doesn't use it's food storage when it needs it the most.Seasoned grower,lmfao.

and i should have known you wouldn't have anything to back it up other than BS.
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Chuck, Chuck, Chuck we have talked about this many times. Stop with the science and silly details like citations as it makes the defoliators heads hurt and that is abusive.

And again RIU this "technique" and others like it need their (or there or they're for some of you) own forum called EXPERIMENTAL TECHNIQUES. This junk science, yes junk until PROVEN otherwise, does not belong in Advanced Cultivation (which it is not) or in the Newbie Section where they already can't keep their hands off their plants enough to know they're there. (Pretty F'in funny eh?)
 
ayr0n

ayr0n

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Even if they were receiving absolutely no light wouldn't they still be beneficial by storing energy, transporting / moving goods, exchanging gases, etc...? Seems like cutting off a leaf is equivalent to pouring a little bit of your nutes down the sink...
 
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Sativied

Sativied

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ayr0n said:
Even if they were receiving absolutely no light wouldn't they still be beneficial by storing energy, transporting / moving goods, exchanging gases, etc...? Seems like cutting off a leaf is equivalent to pouring a little bit of your nutes down the sink...
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It is indeed (although "receiving absolutely no light" is never the case unless the light is off, else you wouldn't be able to see the leaf either). Look into mobile vs immobile plant nutrients, just a random example: http://masteringhorticulture.blogspot.nl/2012/01/mobile-vs-immobile-nutrients.html and xylem and phloem translocation from sources to sinks.

http://www.biologyreference.com/Ta-Va/Translocation.html

Translocation is the movement of materials from leaves to other tissues throughout the plant. Plants produce carbohydrates (sugars) in their leaves by photosynthesis, but nonphotosynthetic parts of the plant also require carbohydrates and other organic and nonorganic materials. For this reason, nutrients are translocated from sources (regions of excess carbohydrates, primarily mature leaves) to sinks (regions where the carbohydrate is needed). Some important sinks are roots, flowers, fruits, stems, and developing leaves. Leaves are particularly interesting in this regard because they are sinks when they are young and become sources later, when they are about [make that very very roughly] half grown.


As you can see the nonsense some defoliators claim about leaves costing energy (which is the same as claiming they become sinks) is just that, nonsense. Of course to create a new leaf energy is required captured by other leaves, they start out as sinks, but once it created enough chlorophyll to perform plenty of photosynthesis to capture enough energy for itself to grow larger and have energy left to spare with other new leaves/buds/roots it becomes a source. After the transition, during flowering, they are all sources (of energy and indeed reserves).

It also goes a little further than pouring nutes down the sink, the 'nutes' in the leaves are already processed ready to be transported and used. So in a way, you'd also be pouring light (electricity, money) down the sink. Now imagine a LED grower who defoliates :twisted:
 
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