Does cured weed make more potent hash?
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Doer
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I don't agree with your specific. I can change solvents and polarity and get all of the Concrete in solution. There will be no material left solid. But, right, oleo-resin will still be there.
On the other semantics.... As resin drys it can become warmer, the more it dehydrates, and become more decarboxylated. De-carb is not cure. Fresh smoked weed tastes weird because of the chlorophyll.
The OP asked about cured potency. I don't experience any difference in potency between cured weed and fresh, for BHO. That was the question.
Yet, cure, is specific. Tobacco has already defined the word cure for 100s of years.
It means break down chlorophyll. Cure it of that taste.
And I agree it is just a mis-use of terms
On the other semantics.... As resin drys it can become warmer, the more it dehydrates, and become more decarboxylated. De-carb is not cure. Fresh smoked weed tastes weird because of the chlorophyll.
The OP asked about cured potency. I don't experience any difference in potency between cured weed and fresh, for BHO. That was the question.
Yet, cure, is specific. Tobacco has already defined the word cure for 100s of years.
It means break down chlorophyll. Cure it of that taste.
And I agree it is just a mis-use of terms
Frenchy,
I have to say I'm confused re your description of curing. Is your definition different depending on if you're after a "flower" vs "hash" product?
Assuming flowers were picked for a particular THC level, would you consider a "fresh frozen" BHO run uncured?
Note, I'm not talking about decarboxylation.
Thanks
Frenchy Cannoli
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The flowers are cured approx 3 months by most connoisseurs. In Morocco the flowers are also cured 3 months before sieving. In Afghanistan they sieve the flowers as soon as they are dry and then let the resin cure in a container for 3 months. I also use the word cure for the "burbing" I recommend pressing of ice water sieved resin but it is only because I have not a better word for it.
If you use trims frozen while fresh, I would considered the resin uncured.
If you use trims frozen while fresh, I would considered the resin uncured.
Hey MnH,
I was curious where you were going with this statement:
"Trichomes go through polycyclic aromatization in the process of decomposition (drying) ...."
The generation of PAHs is generally associated with incomplete incineration. The temperature generated with the drying/decomposition process would be well below the 200 deg C range required for any plant material combustion. So I'm not sure what you were getting at.
cheers
Thanks,
So out of curiosity, if I were looking at a LC-MS output, what would I look for that would indicate an uncured resin?
Frenchy Cannoli
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I have no idea and it is the reason why I am planning with CSLabs a series of test to get an answer to those questions but logically you would have no or very little decarboxylation, the terpenes profile would not have gone through a polymerization (joining together in a chain) of many of the smaller molecules of aromatic terpenes to form different aromatic and non-aromatic terpene polymers. The wax membranes must go through a change and potentially the resin as well I would think but I have found nothing on the subject.
SirSteely
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Curing cannabis flowers for 90+ days enhances the high profile, flavor and smell.
Its age old wisdom and common sense for any exp grower who has a clue about curing.
Argue science all day long, the complete and complex relationship between the compounds in cannabis is only now being researched.
on a side note......................I smell troll.
Its age old wisdom and common sense for any exp grower who has a clue about curing.
Argue science all day long, the complete and complex relationship between the compounds in cannabis is only now being researched.
on a side note......................I smell troll.
Listen, this silly tactic of calling people “trolls” because you can’t answer their questions with quantitative useable facts is just plain nonsense.
Nobody is calling you names!
French returned a sensible answer that I can accept. He said he didn’t know what a lab analysis would indicate other then a high nonconverted number. That’s exactly what I have noted in my testing. I don’t necessarily agree with his suspicion re polymerization, but like he said his lab testing will hopefully help shed light on the subject.
I personally have used the old school processing of flower for quite sometime. I’ve also utilized lab testing to help guide me in my processing. At this point, it’s not clear to me that there’s any measureable advantage to the extended “cure” of bud material when processing for concentrate.
If you can point to a reference, numerical data, or etc you might feel will be helpful, then please submit it.
However, just claiming it “smells and tastes” better isn’t really all that helpful because it’s so subjective.
WORDZofWORDZCRAFT
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naww man the most flavorful hash is fresh rubbed like scissor hash. fact is facts i've had all kinds numerous times.
SirSteely
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Of couse it's subjective. This whole subject is. I simply gave you the answer that I know to be right. I'm sorry I don't have scientific lab data.
Not every answer is or can be quantitative to precision as there are a lot of variables that come into play when the conversation is such wide topic. Fact is there has not been enough scientific research on the complex relation between the many chemical compounds found in cannabis. There is scientific data proving that isolating compounds , like marinol, lessen the overall medical benefit of the drug. Scientists have shown that all of theses different compounds working together define the effect , not one isolated canabinoid.
Don't discount the wisdom passed down through the ages by the shaman. Cannabis psychoactive effects are more pronounced , ie. better, after a cure. Some traits of fine cannanis , like the " creeper " effect only show up AFTER the cure. Quantify that.
If your not a troll then you really shouldn't feel bothered by my statement.
Good luck on your research. This might make some good hash. ...
with non-polar solvent
qwizoking
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Kind of replying to a couple threads here
Sometimes when people ask about the cure I point them to the bartender(also i say this because links are more tuned to the intelligence of) who knows a fresh lemon/lime (I am aware of the difference but related compounds) has very little limonin. After allowing to oxidize it forms from precursors present. The new compound can be detected at .5ppm..when we cure as I said the sensory threshold drops, the smells become stronger. Instead of just smelling good, it lingers in the back of your throat and smoke stinks the room up.
My cheese strains I don't even bother with for several months waiting forthat flavor.
As to no advantage to ccuring bud for concentrates, reread what I said curing does..ever done a long soak in butane?
Also as I said, fresh weed often tastes perfumey even soapy and "green" from corresponding aldehydes and ketones.
Lastly, yea learn how to work the Google. I don't have time to prove what I say anymore. If you want some of the dozens of studies I've put up, go look or try googling it. The original vp put up one of my favorites came from the Australian journal of forensic sciences was discussing the long term stability of extracts in and out of solution.
Sometimes when people ask about the cure I point them to the bartender(also i say this because links are more tuned to the intelligence of) who knows a fresh lemon/lime (I am aware of the difference but related compounds) has very little limonin. After allowing to oxidize it forms from precursors present. The new compound can be detected at .5ppm..when we cure as I said the sensory threshold drops, the smells become stronger. Instead of just smelling good, it lingers in the back of your throat and smoke stinks the room up.
My cheese strains I don't even bother with for several months waiting forthat flavor.
As to no advantage to ccuring bud for concentrates, reread what I said curing does..ever done a long soak in butane?
Also as I said, fresh weed often tastes perfumey even soapy and "green" from corresponding aldehydes and ketones.
Lastly, yea learn how to work the Google. I don't have time to prove what I say anymore. If you want some of the dozens of studies I've put up, go look or try googling it. The original vp put up one of my favorites came from the Australian journal of forensic sciences was discussing the long term stability of extracts in and out of solution.
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Just an observation, there are definitely two crowds here, on that seems to want to know what's happening chemic
Dabs, good effort man, sincerely. I saw your earlier posts.
Yeah, this is kind of stupid, I don’t quite see it as being “hostile”. But that’s clearly my problem and I accept that.
In the end, “curing” is what works best for the individual.
I bet this would be a whole lot different if we were all kick’n it and working a garden.
Wait, I have to take one more poke at Qwiz : -)
Hey, I told you before, all this crap is a classic thermal reaction problem --- your paper just confirms that. (peace bro).
Qwiz,
Sorry I wasn't more explicit. When it comes to curing, one thing for sure, a thermal reaction of some sort is involved.
The question is; are we talking about a straight forward vaporization problem or a thermal chemical reaction?
There are clearly people on both sides of this argument.
It’s what the thread was about before I got here. I was trying to sort out what people were defining as “cure”, that’s the only reason I asked the questions I did.
But in the end, like I said earlier, what matters is what works for the individual. I just find it more useful for myself to think of things in terms of the physics and reactions, it works for me.
Frenchy Cannoli
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Placebo works fine for some so is it really what work for the individual god1????