organic flushing question

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yoyogreen

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I never grew hyrdro homie....no residual here....straight WISDOM...resin profile is like referring to effects in terms of potency, flavor, stank. the expression of the profile is its potential. just cause the plant is healthy at harvest or is dried and cured properly doesn't mean you get its full potential. if a plants energy is focused on healthy foliage...its energy is not focused on flowers....period. if your soil has avail N to microlife theyre gonna eat it...regardless of stage of growth...this steals potency during both early to late flower...fact. tlo not reliable? its nature P...you sound hydro mentality if anyone does with that statement...not to argue but how do you support that claim....that tlo is not reliable.....its living soil.....what your into....right?
 
Letstrip

Letstrip

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Waiiiiit so don't use organic liquid nutes with a organic soil/medium? Or are we just meaning dont use Synthetic liquid nutes with a organic soil/medium?
 
Pattahabi

Pattahabi

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yoyogreen said:
my opinion is that if youre plant is totes green at harvest, it is too much in a spring type mindset, on the cellular level. too much plant energy went to keeping it too green thereby stealing expression potential from resin. expression being the smells and flavor and most importantly potency. your green plant will likely have a lot more sugar leaf resin in the end. but my plants expression will drop yer jaw
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Without nitrogen there is no photosynthesis. Without photosynthesis there is no terpine production. This is why fundamentally your statement doesn't make sense. When you are using synthetic nutrients they are basically force feeding your plants when you water. As I understand it the theory is you flush the last four weeks to get rid of the extra crap you just shoved into your plant. However, I think even on a scientific level this doesn't hold up.

Ditch the tlo book, seriously the dark age is over:

http://buildasoil.com/blogs/news/9885098-why-tlo-dissecting-the-rev-mix-line-by-line

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Pattahabi

Pattahabi

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Letstrip said:
Waiiiiit so don't use organic liquid nutes with a organic soil/medium? Or are we just meaning dont use Synthetic liquid nutes with a organic soil/medium?
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Letstrip, organic liquid nutes are for the most part another way for sunsystems, etc to earn money. Most everything you can get out of a bottle you get from a dry amendment. And even with that you don't need the mind boggling lists of ingredients some recipes contain. This is where a little reading outside of the canna forums will be of great benefit.

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chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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I think both you guys need to learn how plants uptake nutrients, then you wouldn't make some of these stupid statements.

a baby breastfeeds or gets a formula, it is NOT force fed, it will not grow different because it had one or the other, the kid gets the nutrients it needs and doesn't know the difference, just like a plant doesn't know organic from synthetic.
 
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Pattahabi

Pattahabi

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chuck estevez said:
I think both you guys need to learn how plants uptake nutrients, then you wouldn't make some of these stupid statements.

a baby breastfeeds or gets a formula, it is NOT force fed, it will not grow different because it had one or the other, the kid gets the nutrients it needs and doesn't know the difference, just like a plant doesn't know organic from synthetic.
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Read teaming with nutrients.

And there are studies about babies that are fed formula...
 
Pattahabi

Pattahabi

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chuck estevez said:
that statement tells me you have no clue how plants uptake nutrients. Here is some big words you might want to look up.just sayin
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While I am no scientist, I have done a lot of reading on CEC and the like. Read Teaming with Nutrients. When you get done with that, do some research on allergies and immune system in children that were fed forumula. Everything makes a difference, that's why we are in the organic section.

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yoyogreen

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Pattahabi said:
Without nitrogen there is no photosynthesis. Without photosynthesis there is no terpine production. This is why fundamentally your statement doesn't make sense. When you are using synthetic nutrients they are basically force feeding your plants when you water. As I understand it the theory is you flush the last four weeks to get rid of the extra crap you just shoved into your plant. However, I think even on a scientific level this doesn't hold up.

Ditch the tlo book, seriously the dark age is over:

http://buildasoil.com/blogs/news/9885098-why-tlo-dissecting-the-rev-mix-line-by-line

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mmmmmm no. im not referring to flushing, I do not flush. I let the plant use up its own stored nutes. I have found that by doing this the end result is a more dense flower with more potency, stank, oils etc...as apposed to one that is constantly being avail everything. those flowers have a little more leaf and airiness to um and less potency because N or narpy over mag taste or what have you. the things in your soil burn out over time...and I want all avail N in the soil gone by for weeks from chop...it results in better flowers
 
Letstrip

Letstrip

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Pattahabi said:
Letstrip, organic liquid nutes are for the most part another way for sunsystems, etc to earn money. Most everything you can get out of a bottle you get from a dry amendment. And even with that you don't need the mind boggling lists of ingredients some recipes contain. This is where a little reading outside of the canna forums will be of great benefit.

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Cheers, so basically with a well built soil you wont need organic nutes?
 
Pattahabi

Pattahabi

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Letstrip said:
Cheers, so basically with a well built soil you wont need organic nutes?
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Absolutely correct!!! Just to clarify a little by adding the in soil nutrients you will not need to use the liquid nutrients, everything is still organic. With liquid nutes you are paying for mostly water, and for that water to be shipped to you. Not to mention who knows what they are putting in it.

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yoyogreen

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chuck estevez said:
ill just leave this here,
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mmmmm......plenty of arguments, studies, and commen sense make this vid look ridiculous. what food taste or looks like hve no bearing on how they effect the body on a cellular level. wal mart produce looks awesome....it has also given rats cancer by not giving them the nutes they needed for strong immunities
 
Pattahabi

Pattahabi

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yoyogreen said:
mmmmm......plenty of arguments, studies, and commen sense make this vid look ridiculous. what food taste or looks like hve no bearing on how they effect the body on a cellular level. wal mart produce looks awesome....it has also given rats cancer by not giving them the nutes they needed for strong immunities
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Sounds like you have some pretty good knowledge about what's going on at the cellular level. Why don't you explain it to us.

Did you read Teaming with Nutrients yet?


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chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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yoyogreen said:
mmmmm......plenty of arguments, studies, and commen sense make this vid look ridiculous. what food taste or looks like hve no bearing on how they effect the body on a cellular level. wal mart produce looks awesome....it has also given rats cancer by not giving them the nutes they needed for strong immunities
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PROOF of this claim?
 
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