941mick
Well-Known Member
Am i advising anyone to do what I do? Check out my journal shit is beautiful. You should be impressed that its not burnt to shit haha,
Deficiency or Lockout?
- Thread starter Sir Dabsalot
- Start date
Sir Dabsalot
Member
OP updated with better photos.
Sativied
Well-Known Member
As I told you before, there are beautiful grows in which the grower just uses two bottles of nutes. And as I mentioned then, yours could too. You're silly to think your results justify 20 bottles while others are getting the same, and better, results with just 2 bottles, exactly my point with being a bad example for others who you imply to they need more than 2 bottles. It's a shame really, cause after using 20 different bottles you could have a pretty good idea of the ratios of essential elements that factually cause your results.
Last edited:
chuck estevez
Well-Known Member
looks even more like nute burn, The new pics don't look like light bleaching, guess it was just those pics, By the guide i posted, it is possible it is a magnesium def.
but, i am going with nute burn.
Sativied
Well-Known Member
I'm going with a possible Zinc (and/or Iron and/or Mg) deficiency, again, caused by over-fertilizing (high P nutes?)
- Excessive phosphorus will reduce the availability of iron, calcium, potassium, copper and zinc.
- High levels of calcium will reduce the availability of phosphorus, zinc, magnesium, iron, potassium and manganese [why calmag is stupid in many cases] .
Sir Dabsalot
Member
I use cal mag with every watering of RO so doubtful that its that. I've already cut off the nutes for these 2 clones so I'll just watch and see what happens from here I guess.
941mick
Well-Known Member
I agree that it is OP, but it works for me, and as a production gardener making drastic changes like completely reworking my nutrient schedule scares the shit out of me. Also realize that almost half the shit i use is not salt based, and implementing the raw organic material would be completely new for me. If i was a hobbyist gardener it would be one thing but i rely on the income from my garden and patients expect the same quality and product every time.
Sativied
Well-Known Member
Which you can do with 2 bottles instead of 20... especially if you rely on the income. Only hobby growers who don't care about being economical use 20 overpriced snake oil bottles "buddy". Edit: except you of course, you are exceptional
Sir Dabsalot
Member
Can we at least attempt to stay on topic?
941mick
Well-Known Member
Alright I am sold. I will run just Heavy 16 A&B for my next experiment grow and we will see.Which you can do with 2 bottles instead of 20... especially if you rely on the income. Only hobby growers who don't care about being economical use 20 overpriced snake oil bottles "buddy". Edit: except you of course, you are exceptional
941mick
Well-Known Member
Sorry some people hate me and want to badger me every chance they get, even when I am just giving helpful advice from direct experience with a product that I doubt they have even used.
chuck estevez
Well-Known Member
get ready for a surprise, less is more,always.
Sativied
Well-Known Member
Again Mick, nothing personal, there's no hate involved in ridiculing the use of 20 bottles. You are claiming your 20 bottles regime gives better results than 2 while I doubt you ever tried it and it's a simple fact proven by thousands of high quality bud growers that you do not need 20 at all.
Despite the sarcasm, instead of using just AB, figure out (assuming you measured and logged what you give) the ratio of the macros and micros you've been providing your plants and give that using less and less expensive bottles. For you going back to like 4 or 5 bottles would be quite an improvement already.
Sir Dabsalot
Member
Actually it was but I could give a shit who started it because it has nothing to do with my thread. If you want to debate 941micks growing strategy do it some where else. Wish this board allowed deletion of the original post that would fix this entire mess.I agree with Chuck when it comes to the cause of the likely cause of the problem, pic 3 shows over-fertilizing. Many of the perceived deficiencies are caused by over-fertilizing, imbalance, and nutrient antagonism. Simply put, if you provide too much of a certain element, you prevent the proper uptake of other elements. By adding more crap, the typical advice given, you only make matters worse. And yes, raise that light, it doesn't stop after 6inches...
oh... what happened to the other 20 bottles you use?Seems like it's the answer to most deficiencies in mj forums, calmag... maybe some people think the mag stands for "magic"?
941mick
Well-Known Member
Your right. I was also just as wrong to engage with him on this thread, and I PM him to further discuss what we were talking about. Back to the topic at hand start by checking your pH becasue if it is too acidic thats is probably your issue. If not than it could be something like sativied was saying about too much of one element locking out the others.
Sativied
Well-Known Member
Not every, but yours will do
If you want constructive, read my previous replies to you cry baby.
Greenhouse;save
Well-Known Member
Why why why????????