Good pic of bug...what is it?

vostok

vostok

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systemic (sɪˈstɛmɪk; -ˈstiː-)
adj
1. another word for systematic1, systematic2
2. (Physiology) physiol (of a poison, disease, etc) affecting the entire body
3. (Agriculture) (of a pesticide, fungicide, etc) spreading through all the parts of a plant and making it toxic to pests or parasites without destroying it
n
4. (Agriculture) a systemic pesticide, fungicide, etc
sysˈtemically adv

Yeah systemic like the canna plant drinks up the Neem Oil in water then the neem flows with the plant sap thru the plant, any bugs suck at the sap or bite the plant, they die from sucking in some Neem Oil...this works and 5 years from now EVERY grower will be adding a teaspoon to his/her watering can every week!
 
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Notyourpuppet

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Just noticed these bugs in flowering room , I'm 4 weeks in flower. I have a 4x5 closet stuffed with leaves and of course bud. Now I need to learn how to spray in flower.
 
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CC Dobbs

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vostok said:
systemic (sɪˈstɛmɪk; -ˈstiː-)
adj
1. another word for systematic1, systematic2
2. (Physiology) physiol (of a poison, disease, etc) affecting the entire body
3. (Agriculture) (of a pesticide, fungicide, etc) spreading through all the parts of a plant and making it toxic to pests or parasites without destroying it
n
4. (Agriculture) a systemic pesticide, fungicide, etc
sysˈtemically adv

Yeah systemic like the canna plant drinks up the Neem Oil in water then the neem flows with the plant sap thru the plant, any bugs suck at the sap or bite the plant, they die from sucking in some Neem Oil...this works and 5 years from now EVERY grower will be adding a teaspoon to his/her watering can every week!
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Gosh I hope not!! Because if it is inside the plant then when does it leave the plant? Will I be smoking it later in my weed.

The good part about systemics is they continue killing long after you apply them and the bad thing is that they persist in the plant long after you apply them. Do you have any real evidence that the neem will be gone out of the plant when it come time to harvest? I know the answer to this but do you?

There is no place in cannabis cultivation for systemic anything.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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CC Dobbs said:
Gosh I hope not!! Because if it is inside the plant then when does it leave the plant? Will I be smoking it later in my weed.

The good part about systemics is they continue killing long after you apply them and the bad thing is that they persist in the plant long after you apply them. Do you have any real evidence that the neem will be gone out of the plant when it come time to harvest? I know the answer to this but do you?

There is no place in cannabis cultivation for systemic anything.
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I get the whole organic soapbox thingy, But, if you overfeed your plant, Do the buds burn? or just the leaf? if you use systemics, does the bud uptake it? you say you know the answer, I am interested, please post facts though, not just your opinion.
 
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CC Dobbs

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chuck estevez said:
I get the whole organic soapbox thingy, But, if you overfeed your plant, Do the buds burn? or just the leaf? if you use systemics, does the bud uptake it? you say you know the answer, I am interested, please post facts though, not just your opinion.
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Your reply is dismissive and disrespectful. Of course the bud uptakes the systemic chemical as it is a part of plants circulatory system.

I have read your other posts and you not really interested in facts. You regurgitate the Bro-science that rules the cannabis knowledge pool and try to pass it off as good sound advice. Research on horticultural chat boards could help you
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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CC Dobbs said:
Your reply is dismissive and disrespectful. Of course the bud uptakes the systemic chemical as it is a part of plants circulatory system.

I have read your other posts and you not really interested in facts. You regurgitate the Bro-science that rules the cannabis knowledge pool and try to pass it off as good sound advice. Research on horticultural chat boards could help you
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just as I thought, some more bullshit with no proven facts, just opinions, and we know what opinions are like. Circulatory system you say? plants don't work like humans.
 
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Professor Snook

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It appears that CC is correct. The circulatory system in the plant is not at all unlike our own. Plants don't have hearts so they use a passive method to circulate fluids throughout itself. The Phloem and Xylem act as arteries and veins and bring nutrient to and remove metabolite from individual cells.
Regarding the over fertilizing question: overfeeding with nutrients, especially mineral salts , will encourage the plant to rid itself of excess by pushing it out by the shortest route possible This is usually through the closest leaves leaving a burnt looking tip. This called salt burn and it is not the same as systemic chemical use
The problem with systemics in cannabis is that they persist much, much longer than they are effective. People seem to believe that if a systemic is not killing bugs anymore then it must have left the system but this very far from the truth. The chemicals will remain in ALL parts of the,plant in gradually decreasing amounts for months.
This is the wrong place to look for facts as they are in very short supply.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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Professor Snook said:
It appears that CC is correct. The circulatory system in the plant is not at all unlike our own. Plants don't have hearts so they use a passive method to circulate fluids throughout itself. The Phloem and Xylem act as arteries and veins and bring nutrient to and remove metabolite from individual cells.
Regarding the over fertilizing question: overfeeding with nutrients, especially mineral salts , will encourage the plant to rid itself of excess by pushing it out by the shortest route possible This is usually through the closest leaves leaving a burnt looking tip. This called salt burn and it is not the same as systemic chemical use
The problem with systemics in cannabis is that they persist much, much longer than they are effective. People seem to believe that if a systemic is not killing bugs anymore then it must have left the system but this very far from the truth. The chemicals will remain in ALL parts of the,plant in gradually decreasing amounts for months.
This is the wrong place to look for facts as they are in very short supply.
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I get that systemics can remain, Just look at what Mcdonalds does to their fries to see that. I never disputed that, i just asked if the buds absorbed these systemics and asked for some proof that they do or don't. If you are going to make claims, at least have something to back them up, that is all.
 
cobyb

cobyb

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chuck estevez said:
I get that systemics can remain, Just look at what Mcdonalds does to their fries to see that. I never disputed that, i just asked if the buds absorbed these systemics and asked for some proof that they do or don't. If you are going to make claims, at least have something to back them up, that is all.
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Are the buds connected to the plant, and receiving nutrients, water, oxygen through the roots? Why would a systemic anything in h2o suspension, not be drawn up by the roots, into the leaves and buds? Your question is self defeating.
 
vostok

vostok

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The only time I've tasted Neem Oil in my weed,...was once spraying my weed and not leaving it enough time to dry properly and dissipate in cure, avoid spraying the weed with Neem 2 weeks before harvest, and in the systemic ...it was undetectable
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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cobyb said:
Are the buds connected to the plant, and receiving nutrients, water, oxygen through the roots? Why would a systemic anything in h2o suspension, not be drawn up by the roots, into the leaves and buds? Your question is self defeating.
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no.not really,
Photosynthesis is a process used by plants and other organisms to convert light energy, normally from the Sun, into chemical energy that can be later released to fuel the organisms' activities
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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according to you guys, and with no actual proof is all im saying, is that systemics make their way into the leaf where they photosynthesize and are used by the buds, correct?
 
cobyb

cobyb

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A commercial neem formulation containing azadirachtin-A (AZ-A) was applied to the soil around the root system of potted aspen (Populus tremuloides Michx.) plants. The uptake, translocation, persistence and dissipation of the chemical in the plants were studied. The effect of foliar residues of AZ-A on two-spotted spider mite (Tetranychus urticae Koch) populations was also evaluated. The compound was taken up by the root system within 3 h and translocated in the stem and foliage within 3 days, confirming that AZ-A is systemic. The peak concentrations (μg/g, fresh weight) of AZ-A occurred at 10 days post-treatment, and were distributed in roots, stem and foliage in the ratio of 8.1:1.0:2.3, respectively. The rate of dissipation of AZ-A from the matrices was moderately rapid, and the residual concentrations on the last day of sampling (50 days post-treatment) in roots, stem and foliage were in the ratio 2.7:1.0:1.2, respectively. Control of mites by AZ-A residues in foliage was statistically significant, and the bioactivity declined within 30 days. The final residue of AZ-A in the soil after 50 days was about 25% of the initial value, with a half-life of dissipation of about 26 days.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/026121949500026I
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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cobyb said:
A commercial neem formulation containing azadirachtin-A (AZ-A) was applied to the soil around the root system of potted aspen (Populus tremuloides Michx.) plants. The uptake, translocation, persistence and dissipation of the chemical in the plants were studied. The effect of foliar residues of AZ-A on two-spotted spider mite (Tetranychus urticae Koch) populations was also evaluated. The compound was taken up by the root system within 3 h and translocated in the stem and foliage within 3 days, confirming that AZ-A is systemic. The peak concentrations (μg/g, fresh weight) of AZ-A occurred at 10 days post-treatment, and were distributed in roots, stem and foliage in the ratio of 8.1:1.0:2.3, respectively. The rate of dissipation of AZ-A from the matrices was moderately rapid, and the residual concentrations on the last day of sampling (50 days post-treatment) in roots, stem and foliage were in the ratio 2.7:1.0:1.2, respectively. Control of mites by AZ-A residues in foliage was statistically significant, and the bioactivity declined within 30 days. The final residue of AZ-A in the soil after 50 days was about 25% of the initial value, with a half-life of dissipation of about 26 days.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/026121949500026I
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still doesn't say it synthesized into the fruit or bud of a plant. but a nice find and good info.
 
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