I think flushing is a myth heres why

chuck estevez

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So you use this thunder grow from seed to cut at 7-900 ppm? No flush, no reduced strength at the end? Just feed it, hack it and pack it?
in veg, I just let the worm castings I use feed the plant, then in flower, I start at around 700 and increase up to about 900 until the end. Plants are green and healthy and buds are plenty and stinky. Dry and cure properly. I let the genetics speak for themselves. My room is pretty dialed in, mini split a/c sealed, with 1500 c02 during lights on. and the thunder doesn't increase the ppms, it's just folvic and humic and a little silver from a clay mine.
 

Sir.Ganga

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It indicates the plant is finished. It will grow no more and needs no more nutes. Lower your PPM to 400-600 at the highest. I run mine as low as 250 to finish. However, note there are still nutes! Flushing works for toilets, not for plants. You are not "flushing" a plant by denying it nutrition, you are starving it.
Hey NUMBNUTS...answer ninjas question and quit spouting shit! You have no clue obviously. Instead of coming on here and trying to show your skills, maybe you should have your crap TESTED, because obviously you have no clue what you are ingesting. You can tell the big mouth losers on this subject because anyone that has put out the 45 bones to actually see for themselves will NOT be advocating not to flush.
 

abuilder

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Sorry if I missed what might be an answer to the question I'm about to pose, but there's too many posts for me to read through here so let me ask.......I'm at the end of ten weeks in veg today and I'm going to go 12/12 starting tonight. Each airpot has one plant in it that I LST'd by using cut up pieces of wire hangers with a bent hook on one end to stake the stems down around the pots. I chose to not flush so far but I'm reconsidering just out of paranoia. Thinking maybe a flush now and and maybe one more in the 12/12 cycle towards the end. I'm thinking flushing in the "very beginning" of flowering will stunt the flowering cycle which I'm thinking is when it needs some of the most energy to change modes...I'm just not sure. Heard conflicting answers to that. Some say never flush just as you go into flower mode while others say it doesn't matter. I'm thinking maybe after the first week of 12/12 and "maybe" one more time towards the end... Been feeding Fox Farms in their scheduling timeline and I'm growing in organic soil under 600W's. I'm "not" over feeding btw. My four girls were the freebies from Attitude. 1-Kush Violator 1- Strawberry Blue (weird plant in back left) 1-Emerald Jack 1- Sweet Anne
Thoughts?
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chuck estevez

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Sorry if I missed an answer to the question in this thread I'm about to pose, but there's too many posts for me to read through here so let me ask.......I'm at the end of ten weeks in veg today and I'm going to go 12/12 starting tonight. Each airpot has one plant in it that I LST'd by using cut up pieces of wire hangers with a bent hook on one end to stake the stems down around the pots. I chose to not flush so far but I'm reconsidering just out of paranoia. Thinking maybe a flush now and and maybe one more in the 12/12 cycle towards the end. I'm thinking flushing in the "very beginning" of flowering will stunt the flowering cycle which I'm thinking is when it needs some of the most energy to change modes...I'm just not sure. Heard conflicting answers to that. Some say never flush just as you go into flower mode while others say it doesn't matter. I'm thinking maybe after the first week of 12/12 and "maybe" one more time towards the end... Been feeding Fox Farms in their scheduling timeline and I'm growing in organic soil under 600W's. I'm "not" over feeding btw. My four girls were the freebies from Attitude. 1-Kush Violator 1- Strawberry Blue (weird plant in back left) 1-Emerald Jack 1- Sweet Anne
Thoughts?
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your way overthinking this. What you want is to keep feeding them as normal with a low P nute the first 2 weeks. They grow the most and need the most the first 2 weeks of 12/12. If they are happy and healthy, what do you hope to accomplish by running gallons of water thru your rootzone?
Maybe your confused as to what leaching is and what people refer to as flushing. Are you talking about just using water with no nutes for a normal feeding??
 

abuilder

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your way overthinking this. What you want is to keep feeding them as normal with a low P nute the first 2 weeks. They grow the most and need the most the first 2 weeks of 12/12. If they are happy and healthy, what do you hope to accomplish by running gallons of water thru your rootzone?
Maybe your confused as to what leaching is and what people refer to as flushing. Are you talking about just using water with no nutes for a normal feeding??
You're right chuck..I know Im over thinking this...I was talking about using my Fox Farms Bushdoctor for the flush I'm talking about which is within their feeding schedule. thats the only thing in their schedule I haven't followed this time... Thanks for your reply..
 

chuck estevez

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You're right chuck..I know Im over thinking this...I was talking about using my Fox Farms Bushdoctor for the flush I'm talking about which is within their feeding schedule. thats the only thing in their schedule I haven't followed this time... Thanks for your reply..
are you using the whole bushdoctor line?
 

abuilder

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are you using the whole bushdoctor line?
No...just the sledgehammer for flushing every few weeks according to their chart...but this go round I haven't done it once yet in the ten weeks of veghttp://www.fivepointgardens.com/pics/feedingschedules/FoxFarm-soil-bw.pdf
I'm thinking why do it if the plants look super healthy" Why fix something that doesn't appear to be broken. I understand the salt build up thing and trying to get the herb to smoke better but like I said..it seems like it's not necessary when the plants look as healthy as mine do..

I am using the FF nutes though..
 

cues

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Cool, they look good, not as big as mine lol but seriously back to the topic,1) N, P, K, Mg and S are considered mobile: they can move up and down the plant in both xylem and phloem. Thats from the text. So if they are mobile then you can get excess levels in check by makeing the plant use up whats in it, yes or no? And if your running 200 ppm for the last weeks then wouldnt that be considered somewhat of a flush?
Remember that it took me challengeing you to get the info that you bring it down that low before chop. Most people wouldnt challenge you since you are a respected member of the riu community and they would think what i thought when i started to see flushing is for turds by you experts and run 1200 till chop.
I do have alot of run on sentences and dont break anything into paragraphs. I wasnt the best student in school but i fixed this post for you except the run on sentences cause thats just how i talk when im drinking and typeing at the poker table with my budz lol
Phosphates aren't very mobile in soil.
 

cues

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I agree random info on horticulture helps, I've done plenty of reading. But you can't take the same info on lawns and think it all applies to cannabis as well. You already know this I'm certain, but I should throw in that genetics play a huge role in how much N P or K a plant wants in flowering. So while you might have a plant that doesn't care for a whole lot of N during flowering, others do. Other species of plants aren't as diverse. And go ahead and talk shit to me Sam, in another thread you seemed to be under the impression that if someone got PM in flowering they were "fucked". And continued to imply that there weren't any safe ways to treat pm in flowering. You should get educated in some areas.
Actually. it is pretty much exactly the same nutrient regime that is required. Look up spring/summer fertiliser and autumn/winter and their npk/mag/iron ratios/
 

gamereaper

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really? if its a myth then why does my nose burn when i dont flush my weed? why do i get head aches when i smoke unflushed weed? tell me why please because it cant be synthetic chemicals still in the plants pathways... edit. i hate you people who grow and sell unflushed weed, mainly because i know your either not qualified to grow medicine, and or your just greedy and think youll get a better yield lmao greedy fucks, who care if you hurt peoples health for an extra boost....( if that could ever be proven once...) no wonder Washington and Colorado laws are so strick and only rich people can grow pot now in big facility's, you fucks fucked it up for us all.
 

GreatwhiteNorth

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really? if its a myth then why does my nose burn when i dont flush my weed? why do i get head aches when i smoke unflushed weed? tell me why please because it cant be synthetic chemicals still in the plants pathways... edit. i hate you people who grow and sell unflushed weed, mainly because i know your either not qualified to grow medicine, and or your just greedy and think youll get a better yield lmao greedy fucks, who care if you hurt peoples health for an extra boost....( if that could ever be proven once...) no wonder Washington and Colorado laws are so strick and only rich people can grow pot now in big facility's, you fucks fucked it up for us all.
How about you read post #22 in its entirety - all of it.
After doing that come on back and refute it with science, not just bitching & conjecture.
 

gamereaper

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How about you read post #22 in its entirety - all of it.
After doing that come on back and refute it with science, not just bitching & conjecture.
what are you talking about? this is my exp you cant tell me im wrong dude. I experience it all the time, ive done side by sides, i know when when it is shit and has chems in it ive been growing for 5 years, but continue with "science", i want to add science is a joke, Albert Einstein disproved 300 years of science, so suck it i dont want to here about "facts" which will just be disproved by the next great mind... in short i cant belive you because i know its true from exp and that science is a load of shit. also im a grammar jew.

also you must be one of them dudes, the ones that purposefully lies to make others fail so less competition.
 

gamereaper

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also i dont even know what your saying, you basically agreed with me in post 22 so stfu why are you even talking to me.
 

GreatwhiteNorth

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What are you talking about? This is my experience (and) you can't tell me I'm wrong dude. I experience it all the time, I've done side by sides, I know when when it is shit and has chemicals in it(.) I've been growing for 5 years, but continue with "science", I want to add science is a joke(.) Albert Einstein disproved 300 years of science, so suck it(,) I don't want to hear about "facts" which will just be disproved by the next great mind... In short I can't believe you because I know its true from experience(,) and that science is a load of shit. Also I'm a grammar Jew.
Also you must be one of them dudes, the ones that purposefully lies to make others fail so (there will be) less competition.
Well, you have me there champ.
I didn't realize science could be so wrong compared to your opinion.

If you had bothered to read and digest the info that was compiled by Riddl3me, whom has been growing on a very large scale for many years you might just realize how idiotic you sound. His understanding of plant physiology leaves your opinion in the dirt (get it ?)

BTW, I hope you grow cannabis better than you compose sentences because as a "Grammar Jew" you really aren't very good.
 

BDOGKush

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Wow this thread has been going in for awhile.

Thanks for the write up by Riddleme, GWN, it provides a lot more useful information than these people who spout nothing but opinions and then insults when someone disagrees with them or asks for them to back up their argument.
 

gamereaper

Member
Well, you have me there champ.
I didn't realize science could be so wrong compared to your opinion.

If you had bothered to read and digest the info that was compiled by Riddl3me, whom has been growing on a very large scale for many years you might just realize how idiotic you sound. His understanding of plant physiology leaves your opinion in the dirt (get it ?)

BTW, I hope you grow cannabis better than you compose sentences because as a "Grammar Jew" you really aren't very good.
im confused, im an asshole because your condescending? like i said your post sounds like in favor of flushing, why are you an asshole about my post, do you really think im going to read all 24 pages of this thread? Ive been around and know there are 101 ways to grow, all backed by proof and "science" apparently... im def not going out of my way to read and disprove all of that. what side are you even on? im on the healthy side and all im saying is flush that shit.
 

gamereaper

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Wow this thread has been going in for awhile.

Thanks for the write up by Riddleme, GWN, it provides a lot more useful information than these people who spout nothing but opinions and then insults when someone disagrees with them or asks for them to back up their argument.
logically opinions are science because whats your opinion without the experience (nothing) and what experience without observation (nothing), experience is the basis of theory's.
 

gamereaper

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and i dont have to back anything up its a fucking fact that ive felt these thing, think for your self or go back to your herder, sheep
 

GreatwhiteNorth

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im confused, im an asshole because your condescending? like i said your post sounds like in favor of flushing, why are you an asshole about my post, do you really think im going to read all 24 pages of this thread? Ive been around and know there are 101 ways to grow, all backed by proof and "science" apparently... im def not going out of my way to read and disprove all of that. what side are you even on? im on the healthy side and all im saying is flush that shit.
Had you read the information I provided, you would see that flushing in a chemical fertilized grow is a fools errand (logically and scientifically proven), and dumber yet in an organic grow.
But flush away -
 

BDOGKush

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It may be a fact that you felt that way, does not make it a fact that not flushing was the cause.

I'll listen to scientific PROOF explaining why it's impossible to flush out nutes over your opinion to why you should flush, especially when you lack the mental capacity to carry on a conversation without insults.

Have a nice day.
logically opinions are science because whats your opinion without the experience (nothing) and what experience without observation (nothing), experience is the basis of theory's.
and i dont have to back anything up its a fucking fact that ive felt these thing, think for your self or go back to your herder, sheep
 
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