newly acquired grow space-

playermic

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These are some pics of a space that I made I moved into a larger room, Ill be running (2) 600w mh lamps . my previous grows were top drip hydro but I got rid of that due to a nutrient salt buildup so now im going back to soil check it out:
 

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guy u have the space i dreamed of

this is my ideal set up
Rdwc...........with a res

done right u can well get shop growing plants in less then 6 months if u run exps with autos to tune the system in quicker

here i love this system if they offered it in the usa i would grab it
http://alienhydroponicsystems.co.uk/start.html

as i can figure something like that modiifed to work with a water chiller and some micropore stones

something like that and u add in a automatic PHer

the only trouble i been having is the flushing but i think i got it .............setting it up on 4x4 like that video and then at the bottom rigging a valve system so i can just drain the buckets out from the bottom (have a mesh screen over the drain ) ..........let them fill up again (to flush ) bubble the water for 60 mins let out ..fill them back up add the feed and ph the system let it go for a week

with a res on it feeding the mixing cell u are always at water lvl ......the auto PHer keeps at target lvl .........and since the mixing cell is a bucket if u adjust the feed to fill that one too u have 4 days of good water no need for little extra to replace what they took


i just never had a controled /large enough area for that build yet
 
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justugh said:
guy u have the space i dreamed of

this is my ideal set up
Rdwc...........with a res

done right u can well get shop growing plants in less then 6 months if u run exps with autos to tune the system in quicker

here i love this system if they offered it in the usa i would grab it
http://alienhydroponicsystems.co.uk/start.html

as i can figure something like that modiifed to work with a water chiller and some micropore stones

something like that and u add in a automatic PHer

the only trouble i been having is the flushing but i think i got it .............setting it up on 4x4 like that video and then at the bottom rigging a valve system so i can just drain the buckets out from the bottom (have a mesh screen over the drain ) ..........let them fill up again (to flush ) bubble the water for 60 mins let out ..fill them back up add the feed and ph the system let it go for a week

with a res on it feeding the mixing cell u are always at water lvl ......the auto PHer keeps at target lvl .........and since the mixing cell is a bucket if u adjust the feed to fill that one too u have 4 days of good water no need for little extra to replace what they took


i just never had a controled /large enough area for that build yet
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Looks like a pretty nice setup I had one like that only it wasn't dwc its was top drip recirculating.( pics in my previous posts).
 
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playermic said:
Looks like a pretty nice setup I had one like that only it wasn't dwc its was top drip recirculating.( pics in my previous posts).
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i run auto plants so i can try different ideas and tweak my system in faster

the best i have ever done was in a DWC............i seen how if u change the air stone to a micro pore over power the stone (u know 1 gallon of air a min in a 4 gallon water mix mahahahaha) ..........i seen how the much it matters the amount of water u can offer the plant vs the amount of buds and overall weight in the end

DWC with the correct mix of feed u are talking LBs per plant in 110days or less from starting it

your lights ..........600w is a perfect light for 4x4 but will do fine in a 5x5 .........that is core anything large then that is well not getting enough light to bulk up so clip it /Scrog
 
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justugh said:
i run auto plants so i can try different ideas and tweak my system in faster

the best i have ever done was in a DWC............i seen how if u change the air stone to a micro pore over power the stone (u know 1 gallon of air a min in a 4 gallon water mix mahahahaha) ..........i seen how the much it matters the amount of water u can offer the plant vs the amount of buds and overall weight in the end

DWC with the correct mix of feed u are talking LBs per plant in 110days or less from starting it

your lights ..........600w is a perfect light for 4x4 but will do fine in a 5x5 .........that is core anything large then that is well not getting enough light to bulk up so clip it /Scrog
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No sh*t yea I heard good things about dwc but i had nlxHaze plants that grow so vigorously they drink about a gallon each per day. ..but now im going to be dirt farming and sacrifice overall vigorous growth (hydro) for # of plants growing soil you can grow 5x as many plants per day.
-my space is 15ft x 10ft and I tested light coverage from 2 600's and it will guaranteed cover the area
 
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playermic said:
No sh*t yea I heard good things about dwc but i had nlxHaze plants that grow so vigorously they drink about a gallon each per day. ..but now im going to be dirt farming and sacrifice overall vigorous growth (hydro) for # of plants growing soil you can grow 5x as many plants per day.
-my space is 15ft x 10ft and I tested light coverage from 2 600's and it will guaranteed cover the area
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2 600w ............that is a 5x10 area or a 4x8 core area

15x10................your looking at 4 1000w and a 600w (this is to get the maximum coverage/power) make the most out of your plants

a 400w is 3x3 core and 4x4 avg
a 600 watt is 4x4 core and 5x5 avg
a 1000w is 5x5 core and 6x6 avg

when i say core it means the maximum amount of power in the area i guess it would be a par rating but i have not learned that system yet to convert what i know over to it ..........avg means it will work up to that point but anything after that is getting to weak of light to matter to growth/flowering
 
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justugh said:
i run auto plants so i can try different ideas and tweak my system in faster

the best i have ever done was in a DWC............i seen how if u change the air stone to a micro pore over power the stone (u know 1 gallon of air a min in a 4 gallon water mix mahahahaha) ..........i seen how the much it matters the amount of water u can offer the plant vs the amount of buds and overall weight in the end

DWC with the correct mix of feed u are talking LBs per plant in 110days or less from starting it

your lights ..........600w is a perfect light for 4x4 but will do fine in a 5x5 .........that is core anything large then that is well not getting enough light to bulk up so clip it /Scrog
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justugh said:
2 600w ............that is a 5x10 area or a 4x8 core area

15x10................your looking at 4 1000w and a 600w (this is to get the maximum coverage/power) make the most out of your plants

a 400w is 3x3 core and 4x4 avg
a 600 watt is 4x4 core and 5x5 avg
a 1000w is 5x5 core and 6x6 avg

when i say core it means the maximum amount of power in the area i guess it would be a par rating but i have not learned that system yet to convert what i know over to it ..........avg means it will work up to that point but anything after that is getting to weak of light to matter to growth/flowering
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No,no,no the light footprint of the 600w is mainly determined by the type of reflector used, a wing reflector can be adjusted to cover more area than a fixed. This Thus gives me a larger footprint.
 
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No,no,no the light footprint of the 600w is mainly determined by the type of reflector used, a wing reflector can be adjusted to cover more area than a fixed. This Thus gives me a larger footprint.
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just using the links to show

http://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-GLRCT24E-Hydroponic-Reflector/dp/B00BMVPXL2
that one

http://www.amazon.com/inch-Cool-Hood-Reflector-Glass/dp/B004YXDQ14
that one (fav one using now )

the last one is the best one i own it will do a 5x5 area with a 1000w ..............rem hid lights are not like LED no lens to focus the light comes out from that center point and power is lost........... even off the reflective surfaces some of the power is lost

at 12 inchs above the tallest plant u only get about 30 inches or so and what i quoted for useable light after that the lumen power is to weak to do anything of any value

the goal i aim for is plants in High noon full power lumens (no shade no weak areas) and that is 150k lumen on clear day 100k lumens on cloudy day
the more light they get the thicker they can build up it is always the lower inside buds that end up fluffy (best i can do is about 80% dense 20% fluffy )

the stuff i am telling u is for shop grade buds thick full buds with little stem and as little fluffy buds per oz as possible (that is my end goal is to own a shop so every time i help and give info it is geared to buds like that)

but look around 2 600w for a 10x15 area is under powered 4x8 will give u really good stuff but the rest is fluffy
 

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Thanks for illustrating my point those reflectors are similar to the ones Im currently using, that being said 5x5 area of light coverage is assuming theres no reflective material.. can add up to 30% more lumens -(due to light being refracted towards the plants rather than wasted on non-reflective material) and distribute light which will increase light coverage .
 
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playermic said:
Thanks for illustrating my point those reflectors are similar to the ones Im currently using, that being said 5x5 area of light coverage is assuming theres no reflective material.. can add up to 30% more lumens -(due to light being refracted towards the plants rather than wasted on non-reflective material) and distribute light which will increase light coverage .
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the 5x5 is the useable light to the plant the rest of it is not strong enough to do anything with ...............like a CFL it can light a whole room up but it only has power with in 10 inches to do anything to a plant

just goof around and get the free light meter app on your phone or tablet and look for yourself once u are on that outside of that 5x5 the readings will be to weak for it to be any good to plants u need a minal of 15k lumens for a decent plant some say 5k if u want fluffly shit 5k is good but dense u need atleast 15k

the reflective stuff does not matter it only reflects it does not add in when it hits and reflects it lost power then it travels more and lost more power the benfit of it reflective is to use as much of the created light as u can it does not add anything )
 
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justugh said:
the 5x5 is the useable light to the plant the rest of it is not strong enough to do anything with ...............like a CFL it can light a whole room up but it only has power with in 10 inches to do anything to a plant

just goof around and get the free light meter app on your phone or tablet and look for yourself once u are on that outside of that 5x5 the readings will be to weak for it to be any good to plants u need a minal of 15k lumens for a decent plant some say 5k if u want fluffly shit 5k is good but dense u need atleast 15k

the reflective stuff does not matter it only reflects it does not add in when it hits and reflects it lost power then it travels more and lost more power the benfit of it reflective is to use as much of the created light as u can it does not add anything )
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-Like I said the reflector adds light by reflecting light back to the plants that otherwise would have been absorbed by non reflective material.- Also, I disagree that you need 15k lumens to have decent bud You have to factor in the strain when considering the amount of lumens needed,,-Ive had grows of NlxHaze under the same lighting and had 5ft. plants on hydro the point is 2-3 600w's is perfectly sufficient for that space Guaranteed.
 
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playermic said:
-Like I said the reflector adds light by reflecting light back to the plants that otherwise would have been absorbed by non reflective material.- Also, I disagree that you need 15k lumens to have decent bud You have to factor in the strain when considering the amount of lumens needed,,-Ive had grows of NlxHaze under the same lighting and had 5ft. plants on hydro the point is 2-3 600w's is perfectly sufficient for that space Guaranteed.
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sir

alls i can say is your thinking is off ...........2 600w are only effective in a 5x10 area or a 10x5 area after that it has no power to make anything that a grower would want to keep sell or smoke

the 15k is for dense buds the rule of thumb is 5k but that makes fluffy stuff


there is the lumen chart most of us know for the HID bulbs the watt then the distance .........and the number of lumens the math comes out too

as u see anything under 5000 they mark 2 low .............to get dense buds u need atleast 15k lumen and that will only make the tops dense the rest will be fluffly

i was just trying to save u time from running it and seeing yourself ...............but at this point i can see it does not help so do the run /test yourself


just do not plan on huge amount of weight ..............u will get maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of what u are excepting to get by the time it drys


good luck
 

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