What can I do to help my girls??

[earthling420]

First off cause I know it's a dick move, I WILL TRY AND PUT UP A PIC BY TODAY Second, I wanna help them, but Ive already given them synthetic nutes few weeks back to try and save them, can I still keep them organic?

Now to the problem: the lower leaves are dying off and top are getting yellow and brown spots. I know they forsure need nitrogen and probably cal mag. They are in 3 gal containers of FFLW. What can I brew or do to get them healthy STAT! haha thanks guys, btw about month old and 6-8 in high

 

[Pattahabi]

My guess is the nutes are there, just not available. Can you top dress with some EWC/vermicompost, add some mulch if not already there, and hit them with a good compost tea? Synthetic nutes are going to kill the microbes and possibly send the pH into a tailspin. Need to get that back on track with the SFW imo.

Good luck!
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[earthling420]

My guess is the nutes are there, just not available. Can you top dress with some EWC/vermicompost, add some mulch if not already there, and hit them with a good compost tea? Synthetic nutes are going to kill the microbes and possibly send the pH into a tailspin. Need to get that back on track with the SFW imo.

Good luck!
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Well they started to fade in the LW soil after 2 weeks so i added AN 3 part with the ph stabilizing shit, which worked great last run until my bottles got messed up from being a noob smh. I did try a ewc/molasses tea twice, but it didn't work probably because I didnt stir it? I did manage to top dress with humus turned out to be half an inch so i will do it again. Heres some pics. WARNING: not suitable for children or anyone who finds abused plants repulsive...


EDIT: old pic so don't call me out on everything it's just still happening.. and no i dont leave water on the leaves during lights on also i know the dirt looks partially wet, i dont even remember why lol but i do also know how to water

 

[Pattahabi]

Well they started to fade in the LW soil after 2 weeks so i added AN 3 part with the ph stabilizing shit, which worked great last run until my bottles got messed up from being a noob smh. I did try a ewc/molasses tea twice, but it didn't work probably because I didnt stir it? I did manage to top dress with humus turned out to be half an inch so i will do it again. Heres some pics. WARNING: not suitable for children or anyone who finds abused plants repulsive...


EDIT: old pic so don't call me out on everything it's just still happening.. and no i dont leave water on the leaves during lights on also i know the dirt looks partially wet, i dont even remember why lol but i do also know how to water

Hey Earthling! I have to run to an apt, but can you tell me exactly what is in the mix? Does LW = Light Warrior, and if so, was there anything else added to it? I'll check this later tonight.

Peace!
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[vostok]

the lower leaves are dying off and top are getting yellow and brown spots. containers of FFLW. What can I brew or do

Standard Nute Burn ...to my blog:https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/Entry/flush-baby-flush.27513

and the 12 week example:https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/Entry/12-week-grow-sceneario-cervantas.29407/

 

[Pattahabi]

Earthling, Light warrior although possibly organic, is not going to contain near the nutrients needed to take a plant through flower. I'm not sure where you are in your organic knowledge, so I don't want to insult you. My suggestion is to start with the first couple of pages in the ROLS THREAD on RIU. For complete compost tea instructions go to microbeorganics.com. Yes, there is a little learning curve, but once you get going, things will fall into place.

Never, ever, ever put that AN junk on your plants. It's an all or nothing thing imo. Good chance you killed off your microherd with the synthetic nutes, I'm going to guess there is some kind of lock out in the roots, because even with LW I would think they would have enough nutes in them that those little clones would not run out. The other thing is mulch, mulch, mulch! If that top layer of soil keeps drying out you are going to lose the Soil Food Web. Much of it's activity is in the top 4" of the pot. You need to be careful you don't over water, but wet/dry cycles are for hydro, not organics.

Do you have any kind of a brewer, aquarium pump, w/e? Do you have access to some kelp meal and/or aloe vera? For quick fix I might try and bubble a little kelp and water (maybe constant agitation would work, I haven't tried it), strain, add aloe and foliar. Thiswill give a quick pick me up to the leaves while the roots recover.

Tell me what you have access to, and we'll try and figure something out.

Peace!
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[earthling420]

Earthling, Light warrior although possibly organic, is not going to contain near the nutrients needed to take a plant through flower. I'm not sure where you are in your organic knowledge, so I don't want to insult you. My suggestion is to start with the first couple of pages in the ROLS THREAD on RIU. For complete compost tea instructions go to microbeorganics.com. Yes, there is a little learning curve, but once you get going, things will fall into place.

Never, ever, ever put that AN junk on your plants. It's an all or nothing thing imo. Good chance you killed off your microherd with the synthetic nutes, I'm going to guess there is some kind of lock out in the roots, because even with LW I would think they would have enough nutes in them that those little clones would not run out. The other thing is mulch, mulch, mulch! If that top layer of soil keeps drying out you are going to lose the Soil Food Web. Much of it's activity is in the top 4" of the pot. You need to be careful you don't over water, but wet/dry cycles are for hydro, not organics.

Do you have any kind of a brewer, aquarium pump, w/e? Do you have access to some kelp meal and/or aloe vera? For quick fix I might try and bubble a little kelp and water (maybe constant agitation would work, I haven't tried it), strain, add aloe and foliar. Thiswill give a quick pick me up to the leaves while the roots recover.

Tell me what you have access to, and we'll try and figure something out.

Peace!
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Yes it does in fact stand for fox farm light warrior, and i know it wont last through flower, it was just all I had so I knew it would hold em off til I figure things out. I wanted to put em in something better or s homemade soil but dont have any yet. Amyways, yes I do have some kelp meal, alfalfa meal, ewc, and alaskan humus.


Wait, so should I not be letting the pot get light before watering?? or just water enough to wet the top again? I really didn't wanna use the AN shit but I felt I had no choice. what's done is done, just trying to get the hang of this organic thing, but I will get it ddown.
I do have aloe vera too fresh

and some air pumps and 5 gal bucket.

I appreciate you sparing me I have very little organic knowledge and 2 synthetic grows under me belt, that weren't too shabby for first grows.

Bubble that kelp tea 24 hours I assume?
thanks for the links, ill check em out!

Thanks P

holy shit my phone is fucking me over so bad right now lol

 

[Maris]

fuckin shits man. you fertilizer or not?if yes then you give too much fertilizer if not you need to give nutrients - nitrogen first
Stop givin thAT NUTES. use urine. 1vs20 mix water 2 times per week do that. If use ferilizer with high nitrogen but dont overfertilizer.

 

[earthling420]

fuckin shits man. you fertilizer or not?if yes then you give too much fertilizer if not you need to give nutrients - nitrogen first
Stop givin thAT NUTES. use urine. 1vs20 mix water 2 times per week do that. If use ferilizer with high nitrogen but dont overfertilizer.

lol i warned ya man. and idk if I'm ready to use piss on my plants lol

 

[Maris]

1litre urien on 20 litre water its not dangerous for plants with your size. I do that with my plants and I can show you pics if you want how looks my plants. but if you do that then watered in next 10 minutes after piss. if not then urien change ammonia. thats strong acid and dengerous for plants. but uriene dont change in the ammonia when are in soil.
And before you piss if you do that drink acid juice

 

[Pattahabi]

Yes it does in fact stand for fox farm light warrior, and i know it wont last through flower, it was just all I had so I knew it would hold em off til I figure things out. I wanted to put em in something better or s homemade soil but dont have any yet. Amyways, yes I do have some kelp meal, alfalfa meal, ewc, and alaskan humus.


Wait, so should I not be letting the pot get light before watering?? or just water enough to wet the top again? I really didn't wanna use the AN shit but I felt I had no choice. what's done is done, just trying to get the hang of this organic thing, but I will get it ddown.
I do have aloe vera too fresh

and some air pumps and 5 gal bucket.

I appreciate you sparing me I have very little organic knowledge and 2 synthetic grows under me belt, that weren't too shabby for first grows.

Bubble that kelp tea 24 hours I assume?
thanks for the links, ill check em out!

Thanks P

holy shit my phone is fucking me over so bad right now lol

It's all good earthling. Been there, done that. If it were me, I'd bubble like 1/2-1 tbsp of kelp per gallon. 12-24 hours should be plenty. Strain the water. Filet an aloe leaf and squeeze out enough juice to get about 2oz per gallon, blend well with kelp water, spray the leaves at lights out. You can hit the soil a little with that also.

Those are pretty small plants in pretty big pots, so I would be careful about overwatering. With that said, wet and dry cycles will kill microbes. Get a little mulch to put on top (I like leaf). Often times I will use a pump spray and just moisten the top layer of soil to keep the microbe life happy. Especially if the plants are not big enough to use the water in the pots quickly. Then I will use my fingers, stick them in the top of the soil, stick them in the drainage holes. Get a good idea of how much moisture is in the soil.

I should back up a little and say I would also take a little of those EWC - maybe a few tbsps per pot and sprinkle it on the soil, then cover with mulch. Keep an eye on them, and give a shout if things don't snap out of it.

The LW is not a complete soil by any means. Read through those rols pages, look at the soil recipes. You're going to need something like that to take these girls through flower. Compost teas help immensely, but read about proper brewering and recipes from MM.

Peace,
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[earthling420]

It's all good earthling. Been there, done that. If it were me, I'd bubble like 1/2-1 tbsp of kelp per gallon. 12-24 hours should be plenty. Strain the water. Filet an aloe leaf and squeeze out enough juice to get about 2oz per gallon, blend well with kelp water, spray the leaves at lights out. You can hit the soil a little with that also.

Those are pretty small plants in pretty big pots, so I would be careful about overwatering. With that said, wet and dry cycles will kill microbes. Get a little mulch to put on top (I like leaf). Often times I will use a pump spray and just moisten the top layer of soil to keep the microbe life happy. Especially if the plants are not big enough to use the water in the pots quickly. Then I will use my fingers, stick them in the top of the soil, stick them in the drainage holes. Get a good idea of how much moisture is in the soil.

I should back up a little and say I would also take a little of those EWC - maybe a few tbsps per pot and sprinkle it on the soil, then cover with mulch. Keep an eye on them, and give a shout if things don't snap out of it.

The LW is not a complete soil by any means. Read through those rols pages, look at the soil recipes. You're going to need something like that to take these girls through flower. Compost teas help immensely, but read about proper brewering and recipes from MM.

Peace,
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Sweet, thanks for such great detailed information man! I definitely will give ya a holler. I have been being careful about watering, watching em closely and tracking water intake and time to be used to get a better idea of there needs. They are small, but the roots are way more developed. just nothing up top.. such a shame.

edit: do you use your own leaf mulch? is the humus on top ok for compost out do I need something else (I know I need whole new dirt lol)

 

[Pattahabi]

Earthling I haven't used that Alaskan humus product. Is it like dirt, or more like a chunky thermal compost? I use leaves from around here. I crumble them up a little and throw them on the top of the pot. Usually like an inch or two. I've also seen people use straw, wood chips, leaves, dynamic accumulators. Something to keep the moisture in the top of the soil, and a home for the micro/macro life. Think forest floor litter.


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[earthling420]

Earthling I haven't used that Alaskan humus product. Is it like dirt, or more like a chunky thermal compost? I use leaves from around here. I crumble them up a little and throw them on the top of the pot. Usually like an inch or two. I've also seen people use straw, wood chips, leaves, dynamic accumulators. Something to keep the moisture in the top of the soil, and a home for the micro/macro life. Think forest floor litter.


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it looks like ewc lol but its definitly not. it's called General Organics Ancient Forest alaskan humus. and ahh, thats an awesome example! Im guessing the more diverse the better? Could I use the pot leaves from my plants if they took synthetic nutes twice? lol

 

[Pattahabi]

it looks like ewc lol but its definitly not. it's called General Organics Ancient Forest alaskan humus. and ahh, thats an awesome example! Im guessing the more diverse the better? Could I use the pot leaves from my plants if they took synthetic nutes twice? lol

Really any kind of organic matter. So if synthetic ones are all you have then use them, but ideally you would want something else. For reference, this is a Blood Orange from Bodhi and I think you can see the leaf mulch well. You want to slow evaporation, and get decomposing organic matter on the top of the soil.



As a side note, I don't know about that alaskan humus stuff. You want something little more leaf litter like, and a little less EWC like for the mulch imo.

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[earthling420]

Really any kind of organic matter. So if synthetic ones are all you have then use them, but ideally you would want something else. For reference, this is a Blood Orange from Bodhi and I think you can see the leaf mulch well. You want to slow evaporation, and get decomposing organic matter on the top of the soil.

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As a side note, I don't know about that alaskan humus stuff. You want something little more leaf litter like, and a little less EWC like for the mulch imo.

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sounds good, thanks for the pic cause I was gonna ask lol I hear ya, I know what you mean for sure now. this shall be good super effin stoked for this organic run

btw nice plant, mirin forsure

 

[Pattahabi]

sounds good, thanks for the pic cause I was gonna ask lol I hear ya, I know what you mean for sure now. this shall be good super effin stoked for this organic run

btw nice plant, mirin forsure

Thanks Earthling! There is a lot to learn, and a lot to unlearn. What I gave you are little fixes till you get things back on track. Read through the ROLS thread - at least the beginning. This will get you headed in the right direction.

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[foreverflyhi]

Really any kind of organic matter. So if synthetic ones are all you have then use them, but ideally you would want something else. For reference, this is a Blood Orange from Bodhi and I think you can see the leaf mulch well. You want to slow evaporation, and get decomposing organic matter on the top of the soil.

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As a side note, I don't know about that alaskan humus stuff. You want something little more leaf litter like, and a little less EWC like for the mulch imo.

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Yup ewc as topdress kinda dries out quick and creates little runoff rivers that dont sink in the soil properly. For most my mulch i start up as live cover crops then mulch em, any dead cc cannabis leaves also go in there, ocasional tea left overs and botanical left overs. Top that off with straw and start over.

@Pattahabi
Them bohdi 7+ weekers??

My og craze in me cant justify long flowering strains other then og clone only strains, but keep hearing good things about bohdi. Havent been to a dispensery in a while, so not sure whats out there..

 

[Pattahabi]

Yup ewc as topdress kinda dries out quick and creates little runoff rivers that dont sink in the soil properly. For most my mulch i start up as live cover crops then mulch em, any dead cc cannabis leaves also go in there, ocasional tea left overs and botanical left overs. Top that off with straw and start over.

@Pattahabi
Them bohdi 7+ weekers??

My og craze in me cant justify long flowering strains other then og clone only strains, but keep hearing good things about bohdi. Havent been to a dispensery in a while, so not sure whats out there..

Hey Flyhigh! They definitely take longer then 7 weeks to flower if I'm hearing you correctly. Seems like most of the hybrids with both the Appalachia and Snow Lotus fathers are taking around 9 weeks +/- and that's from the time of light flip, not first pistils.

If you are in Cali, I think there are some places that sell Bodhi gear. There was even a place that had some of his momma cuts I believe? Bodhi is my go to breeder for sure.


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[earthling420]

Thanks Earthling! There is a lot to learn, and a lot to unlearn. What I gave you are little fixes till you get things back on track. Read through the ROLS thread - at least the beginning. This will get you headed in the right direction.

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Truee true.
Hell ya thanks man!
im gonna get on that, I read through some, just gotta find my spot lol
How long was that plant vegged?

@Forver I read some about cover crops, Ill check it out thanks!