how to tell if i have spider mites or Hypoaspis miles

DemonTrich

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I harvested yesterday and noticed a fast moving white/translucent tiny bug running on the bottom of my black pot. it moved fast and I could see the little shit running. I looked at it under my scope (30x), and its looks like a spider mite or a hypoaspis miles bug. ive looked at pics of both and they kindsa look alike. mine are almost see thru, NO spots. I seen NO webs when harvesting.

anyone know what course of action I should take (chem wise)? im about to do my normal after harvest hazmat style cleaning of my flower room (2x bleach washing, 2x iso wash, 2x water wipe down). and some more maintenance.

ill have to do the same treatment to my veg room and clone room as well for the bug issue.



thanks
 

hexthat

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if they live on the soil it's Hypoaspis, if they live under leafs its spider mites. I dont like any mites including predator mites cause when they don't have prey to eat they eat your plant.

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DemonTrich

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I noticed them after harvest. I did not see any webs or any indication the mites were eating my leaves. I found this on on the underside of my black pot, like mentioned above. I found another one on the concrete floor of my grow area. ill do a thorough exam of my veg/flower room and my clone room before buying any chems.

from what ive read, floramite and mighty wash (alternating applications) are the 2 best products if it were the dreaded borg. all the pics of spider mites have some color to them, and or dots. these are translucent/see thru for the most part. no color, no dots.
 

Metasynth

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I noticed them after harvest. I did not see any webs or any indication the mites were eating my leaves. I found this on on the underside of my black pot, like mentioned above. I found another one on the concrete floor of my grow area. ill do a thorough exam of my veg/flower room and my clone room before buying any chems.

from what ive read, floramite and mighty wash (alternating applications) are the 2 best products if it were the dreaded borg. all the pics of spider mites have some color to them, and or dots. these are translucent/see thru for the most part. no color, no dots.
If they weren't on the plant itself, and just the pots and soil, it's likely hypoaspis miles.
 

jondamon

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I noticed them after harvest. I did not see any webs or any indication the mites were eating my leaves. I found this on on the underside of my black pot, like mentioned above. I found another one on the concrete floor of my grow area. ill do a thorough exam of my veg/flower room and my clone room before buying any chems.

from what ive read, floramite and mighty wash (alternating applications) are the 2 best products if it were the dreaded borg. all the pics of spider mites have some color to them, and or dots. these are translucent/see thru for the most part. no color, no dots.

Lately I've been seeing a lot more posts about translucent mite looking creatures in soils or mediums or running around the pot rims.

I've even had them myself.

Under magnification my own looked like mould mites.

If you got a good look at them try google images for mould mites.

Unless you added Hypoaspis miles yourself or used soil that could be loaded with them as a precaution I can safely say you probably don't have Hypoaspis in yours.


If they weren't on the plant itself, and just the pots and soil, it's likely hypoaspis miles.

There are a lot more than can live in the soil.



J
 

Metasynth

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Well, I've had hypoaspis miles...They came in the soil I was using. A lot of soil manufacturers will add them to their mix to combat or as a preventative to fungus gnats, since they nosh on gnat larvae.

I dunno, hoping for the best. No one wants bad bugs.
 

DemonTrich

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I run FFOF soil, I forgot to mention. and I always toss the old soil out, never reusing. looking at pics on google, they sorta resemble mould mites. they are clear/opaque like that.

thanks everyone for the help. I have NO idea how the F I got bugs. I keep a very clean grow room and I am the only one who is allowed in said room. I have separate shoes, always showering after doing yard work, never walk thru the grass, woods, ect before heading into the room. tents are always kept clean, floors always mopped every other day with bleach water. no widows are open.
 
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jondamon

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I run FFOF soil, I forgot to mention. and I always toss the old soil out, never reusing. looking at pics on google, they sorta resemble mould mites. they are clear/opaque like that.

thanks everyone for the help. I have NO idea how the F I got bugs. I keep a very clean grow room and I am the only one who is allowed in said room. I have separate shoes, always showering after doing yard work, never walk thru the grass, woods, ect before heading into the room. tents are always kept clean, floors always mopped every other day with bleach water. no widows are open.

I'm the same but my room isn't completely sealed.

My intakes are screened etc. I get changed/showered before entering etc but something generally makes its way in at some point as there are always some bugs around the home.

Every once in a while I get a carpet beetle make its way in.

Mould mites are detrivorous so no harm.
They feed on fungi and decaying roots etc.

Hypo's you already know about.


J
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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you should be cautious but i wouldnt go bat shit over it...bugs are everywhere and there is no way your going to get rid of every single one.

my 2¢ do your normal sanitization of your grow area and go about your business. Neem out would be good to spray wround the perimiter of the tent/room to keep any spider mites at bay.
 

DemonTrich

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ive not had a bug in 2 years, minus a fruit fly.

went to my local hydro shop. he mentioned one key thing, why would a spider mite, mould mite, broad mite be crawling on the floor or the bottom of a pot? they wouldn't, they live on the plant, and under leaves. he said its a beneficial mite like mentioned above. also said to be safe, alternate weekly foliar/soil/pot/saucer sprays of neem, then spinosad.

so I think ill give that a go. ill be inspecting my clone and veg/temporary flower room tonight. if there are NO webs or other evidience of mites (spider/broad/ect), then I should be ok. fingers crossed.
 

bravedave

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I'm the same but my room isn't completely sealed.

My intakes are screened etc. I get changed/showered before entering etc but something generally makes its way in at some point as there are always some bugs around the home.

Every once in a while I get a carpet beetle make its way in.

Mould mites are detrivorous so no harm.
They feed on fungi and decaying roots etc.

Hypo's you already know about.


J
"changed/showered before entering". Really? Maybe I am asking for trouble, but I am in my room every day entering from a spider friendly pole barn. Now I do keep an area about 15ft square directly outside my room bleach-cleansed because up to my last water (in 5 weeks of flower) I have been watering my plants outside the room...but
*(I beach cleansed an hour or two before watering).
 

Corso312

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When ya hang dry your plants ...if you have spider mites they will all migrate to the top of the stem...assuming ya hang upside doen.
 

DemonTrich

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I forgot to mention I also wear a tyvec painters suit when entering my grow area as well. call me paranoid, but I do not want bugs in my medical garden. an ounce of prevention is worth a week of trying to get rid of bugs.

so I inspected every single plant from top to bottom with my 45x scope. not a single bug anywhere. no webs, no bug shit, no eggs, nothing. I did spray all the plants, pots, saucers, tent floors, walls with neem.


Corso, I don't hang dry any more. I chop all the buds fresh and run them thru my trimmer machine, then put them in my 3 huge drying nets.



thanks for all the help everyone. much appreciated!!!
 
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jondamon

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"changed/showered before entering". Really? Maybe I am asking for trouble, but I am in my room every day entering from a spider friendly pole barn. Now I do keep an area about 15ft square directly outside my room bleach-cleansed because up to my last water (in 5 weeks of flower) I have been watering my plants outside the room...but
*(I beach cleansed an hour or two before watering).

If I've just come in from outside then I wait up to 2 hours or so. Then get changed and enter.



J
 
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TripleMindedGee5150

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Sad day for me. 2 plants both from clone. Found mites. Don't know what kind but I can see them with my eyes. Lol that sounds stupid , but without a magnifier.

Also I think the white spots are larva ? I'm going to throw some ladybugs in there tomorrow , mean time I took a wet paper towel and wiped down the leaves. Also the last pic , has a warped shape to it. I was reading over at IC that that signs of a more microscopic mite.

Suggestions ? After the lady bugs that is.

Edit : I doused it with neem. The WiFi is so frosty too.
 

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DemonTrich

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neem one week, then spinosad the next. then back to neem, then spinosad. do this for 3-4 weeks. from now on, ill be doing every other week sprays of neem on my non flowering plants.
 

TripleMindedGee5150

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Us my plants have vegged , flowered , revegged and so forth. I think they finally stabalized. I messed up because I've been doing spinosad and forgot to alternate the neem. No caterpillars but damn mites.

I'm still hopeful I can eradicate them asses. After a few days I'll wipe down the leaves spray and throw some ladies in there. Those mites got me feeling all itchy now. You know when it gets into you head type feeling.
 

greasemonkeymann

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When ya hang dry your plants ...if you have spider mites they will all migrate to the top of the stem...assuming ya hang upside doen.
hah, I have mites almost every summer harvest (live in the redwoods) and when I harvest them, I always smear a bunch of sappy goo on the base of the stem, and when they migrate up to the top they cant get through, and then they just glob together in a lil webby mess.....Which just so happens to be perfect for lighting on fire.... muahahaha.... Die a SLOW and painful death you blood-suckers
 

Tranquileyes

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I have also observed these little soil mites, or whatever the hell they are, within the last two months. I was confused because they aren't on the plants, so they can't be spider mites, and there aren't any flying insects present, so they can't be immature gnats or root aphids. They seem to be doing no harm to the plants, and the minor gnat problem I've had for over a year now is gone, leading me to believe these could be some sort of beneficial. During the last few months I've been recycling soil straight from harvested plant containers for vegging plants, so maybe as mentioned in an above post, decomposing roots have attracted them. I currently don't mind their presence, but keep their population in check by using a diluted Dr. Bronners peppermint soap spray on top of my soil weekly. I actually use some preventative methods on the regular to prevent spider mites and other insects from living off of my girls, which is why their presence intrigues me. It seems like a few of you have mite problems, so below I'll post a writeup of the methods which have helped me combat/prevent mites and other pests for just about a year now:

I have had spider mites once out of the blue. I found a boiled down habanero concoction to be extremely effective, cheap, organic, and the plants loved the shit (human lungs, skin, and eyes.... not so much). I made one (1/2 gallon?) pump sprayer of this stuff and applied it on the top and bottom of all leaves, a few days in a row, basically until it was used up, then continued to use plain water for a week or two just to be safe.

However, upon further research I found the key to successfully keeping them out of your garden is interrupting the breeding process, so really it's not about 'what to use' but instead 'frequency of use'. Since then, I spray down all plants every few days (aside from those late in flowering), and have not had mites since. Many overlook the benefits of foliar feeding, so if you're one of those people, this serves a dual purpose.
Here's more or less my routine/spray mixes:
-I usually spray on watering days for convenience.
-I brew an AACT once a week, I'll use some in a hand sprayer and dilute about 50/50 with water (sometimes more/less, doesn't seem to make much of a difference), and foliar feed (again, top and underside of leaves).
-All other non-aact waterings are accompanied by a silica and water (or plain water) spray.
-I spray all solutions pretty liberally, everyone has a different environment so I can't speak for every situation, but I've never observed leaf burn, regardless of time sprayed.
Tips:
-I do this as a personal med/hobbyist grower that can't spend all day in the garden, so if you grab a bunch of cheap hand sprayers from a local home depot, walmart, etc., and premake your solutions (with the exception of AACT and other solutions that won't keep), even the laziest of growers can do this on the reg. Even plain water alone would benefit foliage and prevent insects from inhabiting and breeding on the plants.
-Some of my sativa doms get deficient in Cal/Mag, so I always have an epsom salt/water spray on deck when that deficiency is noticed.
-I personally avoid neem, and that is true with many others around here. Only leaf burn I've ever had came as a result of using neem. In my opinion, it works due to its consistency which causes a stickiness on foliage, preventing insect breeding. I'm sure that film also caused the leaf burn. So basically, neem will work without much effort, but foliage will suffer. If you have the time and wish not to effect foliage, diligently spraying leaves with water daily will do the trick. As previously mentioned, my preference for peace of mind is the habanero which will kill everything on contact, followed by water which will prevent the remaining survivors from breeding.
-I use a very diluted Dr. Bronners Peppermint/Water mix as a soil spray every week or so. I've heard this creates a film on top of the medium which messes with the wings of flying insects, so when they mature and emerge from the soil they can't fly/mate.. But the reason I use this is because peppermint oil is one of the few organic treatments that will kill many types of insects on contact.
-Obviously don't foliar feed nutrients too frequently or they'll certainly burn. I generally spray the tea solution once a week, and plain water or silica water for the rest of the week. This also helps to wash off the residues that will build up from tea and epsom salt sprays.
 
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