MagicalButter Decarboxylation Question

[R.E.L.]

So I bought the Magical Butter machine awhile ago. Before I got this machine I was making cannabutter manually and decarbing in the oven at 220 degrees. The machine has temperature settings up to 250 degrees but to make cannabutter with this machine it suggests to set it at 2 hrs at 160 degrees. I've searched everywhere for any Magical Butter test results and can't seem to find any besides people saying they got "ripped" which explains nothing to me. I just want to make sure this machine fully decarbs all the THC and CBDs because past articles I've read say that when fully decarbing marijuana it's best to be decarbed at temps between 220-250 degrees.

Has anyone ever had their butter tested from this machine? Right now I'm making my butter in the machine and I still take the contents out and decarb an extra 2 hours in an oven at 220 degrees just to make sure it's fully decarbed which produces great results but I would like to see detailed numbers in case this extra step is necessary or unnecessary or maybe I should just set the machine to a higher temperature if it's safe.

 

[Texas(THC)]

I don't trust it!
and I also don't think anyone has got it tested yet
awhile back I contacted them trying to figure out how hot and how long the built in decarb cycle was and they said they couldn't release that info to me because it was proprietary information

i mainly use my MB2 for vaped bud cooking, since i know that is fully decarbed

 

[R.E.L.]

Well I was parked in front of their building in Seattle and tried to ask questions but it was closed already. And even though I saw some staff walk in and out of that building and I tried to get their attention, they just ignored me.

 

[Texas(THC)]

not surprised lol
they were like "oh shit another decarboxylation question"!

hopefully someone gets something tested soon

 

[god1]

So I bought the Magical Butter machine awhile ago. Before I got this machine I was making cannabutter manually and decarbing in the oven at 220 degrees. The machine has temperature settings up to 250 degrees but to make cannabutter with this machine it suggests to set it at 2 hrs at 160 degrees. I've searched everywhere for any Magical Butter test results and can't seem to find any besides people saying they got "ripped" which explains nothing to me. I just want to make sure this machine fully decarbs all the THC and CBDs because past articles I've read say that when fully decarbing marijuana it's best to be decarbed at temps between 220-250 degrees.

Has anyone ever had their butter tested from this machine? Right now I'm making my butter in the machine and I still take the contents out and decarb an extra 2 hours in an oven at 220 degrees just to make sure it's fully decarbed which produces great results but I would like to see detailed numbers in case this extra step is necessary or unnecessary or maybe I should just set the machine to a higher temperature if it's safe.

I can understand your concern. Maybe you know this already:

Decarboxylation is a thermal process. It requires a certain amount of energy to remove the CO2 from the “acidic” components such as THC-A, CBD-A, CBN-A, etc and convert them to “neutral” components.

You can add this energy at different rates and all it means is that some options will take longer than others. For example you could also let the plant material hang in the sun and eventually the acidic components will convert to neutral, albeit not as fast as if you were to add heat from an oven.

You’re absolutely correct, the only way to know how far along your conversion went analytically is to have it tested in a lab. But you ought to be able to sample some and since you have a reference from making it before you'd know if you were close or far away.

Btw, one reason they’re suggesting the 160 deg range is because as you go higher in temp, the more likely it is that the more aromatic stuff gets cooked off completely and then there is the conversion of THC to CBN that also occurs as a function of adding oxygen and heat. If you don't care about those things, set the temp up and it will decarb faster.

Just out of curiosity, why did you purchase this thing?

Good Luck.

 

[R.E.L.]

Thanks for the reply guys. I guess I can only get my answers from a test. Well I sent some edibles in to be tested so hopefully I get some answers there. The reason I got the butter machine was just to cut through alot of the steps when making cannabutter. I guess the only way to find out if it was worth the money is to see my results. Stay tuned....

 

[Texas(THC)]

awesome id +rep you if i could!
whats it cost to get an edible tested where you are at?
it would've been cool if you sent a edible made from the croc pot/oven decarb method as well to compare

 

[R.E.L.]

I paid $60 for my test from Analytical 360. Here are my results....

• Serving Size: 1 Package = 31.17g
• 0.91mg CBG-A
• 2.83mg CBG
• 3.74mg CBG-TOTAL
• 2.76mg ∆9-THC-A
• 45.96mg ∆9-THC
• < 0.01mg ∆8-THC
• 0.62mg CBN
• 49.34mg THC-TOTAL
• < 0.01mg CBD-A
• < 0.01mg CBD
• < 0.01mg CBD-TOTAL
• 1.24mg CBC
• 50.65mg ACTIVATED-TOTAL
  
  ∆9THC + ∆8THC + CBN + CBD + CBG + CBC
  
  Cannabinoids that have been activated through decarboxylation (curing/storage of flowers, or heating/cooking of edibles, tinctures, & concentrates)

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• < 0.01mg Linalool
• 1.83mg Caryophyllene oxide
• < 0.01mg Myrcene
• < 0.01mg beta-Pinene
• < 0.01mg Limonene
• < 0.01mg Terpinolene
• < 0.01mg alpha-Pinene
• < 0.01mg Humulene
• < 0.01mg Caryophyllene
• 1.83mg TERPENE-TOTAL

This is my first time getting anything tested ever. I added .7g of bud per dose. Before I added the bud to the butter I decarbed it in the oven at 220 degress for 20 minutes. Then added it to the Magical Butter machine. After straining the butter I put it in the freezer for 24hrs and stuck it in the oven at 220 degrees for another 2 hours. So it's kind of hard to tell if this Magical Butter Machine worked correctly since I did use it with the extra steps. I will try again in the future without the extra steps and just use the Magical Butter machine and I will post the results. But that won't be anytime soon.

 

[R.E.L.]

Hey guys thought I'd give a late update. So for dry herbs it seems like the magical butter works well. For this batch I just put the herb straight into the MagicalButter Machine at 160 degrees at 2 hours instead of decarbing the herb beforehand in the oven like last time. Looks like it does a great job so far. Out of 44.62mg of THC-A, 36.7mg was activated to THC.

• Serving Size: 1 Package = 36.85g
• 0.41mg CBG-A
• < 0.01mg CBG
• 0.41mg CBG-TOTAL
• 7.16mg ∆9-THC-A
• 36.70mg ∆9-THC
• < 0.01mg ∆8-THC
• 0.76mg CBN
• 44.62mg THC-TOTAL
• < 0.01mg CBD-A
• 0.12mg CBD
• 0.12mg CBD-TOTAL
• 1.16mg CBC
• 38.74mg ACTIVATED-TOTAL
  
  ∆9THC + ∆8THC + CBN + CBD + CBG + CBC

But for ice hash it doesn't decarb very well. I did a test with food grade hash and I did put this in the oven at 220 degrees for 20 minutes beforehand. Then after being in the oven I put it into the MagicalButter machine at 160 degrees for 2 hours and it didn't even decarb half of the hash.

• Serving Size: 1 Cup = 227.00g
• 95.84mg CBG-A
• < 0.01mg CBG
• 95.84mg CBG-TOTAL
• 2065.51mg ∆9-THC-A
• 680.38mg ∆9-THC
• 5.52mg ∆8-THC
• 41.71mg CBN
• 2793.12mg THC-TOTAL
• 10.83mg CBD-A
• < 0.01mg CBD
• 10.83mg CBD-TOTAL
• 23.52mg CBC
• 751.13mg ACTIVATED-TOTAL

I'm currently making a new batch of butter right now. I tried setting the option on the machine to 220 degrees at 2 hours and it started bubbling and overflowing. Luckily I caught it in time so I didn't waste much butter. So I lowered it to 160 degrees at 4 hours. I will have the test results in a couple of days so stay tuned. My goal is to get the toffee as close to 100mg activated per tin. The closest I've gotten to is around 75mg and people still love the taste and the kick it brings.

You can view my past test results here:
http://www.analytical360.com/?s=leira

 

[john dickinson]

Thanks R.E.I. for sharing the report. Look forward to further reportage. I will look for the toffee tin around .... unless you sell it in one of dem guv'ment stores where I might see it, but won't be buying nuthing from those people.

My grandma knew Mr. Brown and got a recipe for Almond Roca. I made it every year and sent it to all friends who believed in X-mass. Major smiles. I tripled the amount of almonds. thanks.

 

[GreenStick85]

Hey guys thought I'd give a late update. So for dry herbs it seems like the magical butter works well. For this batch I just put the herb straight into the MagicalButter Machine at 160 degrees at 2 hours instead of decarbing the herb beforehand in the oven like last time. Looks like it does a great job so far. Out of 44.62mg of THC-A, 36.7mg was activated to THC.

• Serving Size: 1 Package = 36.85g
• 0.41mg CBG-A
• < 0.01mg CBG
• 0.41mg CBG-TOTAL
• 7.16mg ∆9-THC-A
• 36.70mg ∆9-THC
• < 0.01mg ∆8-THC
• 0.76mg CBN
• 44.62mg THC-TOTAL
• < 0.01mg CBD-A
• 0.12mg CBD
• 0.12mg CBD-TOTAL
• 1.16mg CBC
• 38.74mg ACTIVATED-TOTAL
  
  ∆9THC + ∆8THC + CBN + CBD + CBG + CBC

But for ice hash it doesn't decarb very well. I did a test with food grade hash and I did put this in the oven at 220 degrees for 20 minutes beforehand. Then after being in the oven I put it into the MagicalButter machine at 160 degrees for 2 hours and it didn't even decarb half of the hash.

• Serving Size: 1 Cup = 227.00g
• 95.84mg CBG-A
• < 0.01mg CBG
• 95.84mg CBG-TOTAL
• 2065.51mg ∆9-THC-A
• 680.38mg ∆9-THC
• 5.52mg ∆8-THC
• 41.71mg CBN
• 2793.12mg THC-TOTAL
• 10.83mg CBD-A
• < 0.01mg CBD
• 10.83mg CBD-TOTAL
• 23.52mg CBC
• 751.13mg ACTIVATED-TOTAL

I'm currently making a new batch of butter right now. I tried setting the option on the machine to 220 degrees at 2 hours and it started bubbling and overflowing. Luckily I caught it in time so I didn't waste much butter. So I lowered it to 160 degrees at 4 hours. I will have the test results in a couple of days so stay tuned. My goal is to get the toffee as close to 100mg activated per tin. The closest I've gotten to is around 75mg and people still love the taste and the kick it brings.

You can view my past test results here:
http://www.analytical360.com/?s=leira

I could swear all these numbers mean something. Something worked. By your means, you seem to just want to get the maximum benefit out of the entire process and I couldn't agree more for your reasoning since you bought a product that you expect to do the work for you. Nothing wrong with that. Now I have not done a lot of this stuff at all. A few at best but before the machine, did you have better results as a preference doing it all yourself? My question just lies along the lines because most often those who watch it themselves rather than let a machine cook it all at its own temps get full benefits.

The decarbed process in your hash would be a bit off because even though you have a pure product, it's not spread out. Hash tends to stick together so get that stuff really chopped up and ground apart. The surface area matters because I've seen whole buds placed in butter and they still have a wild effect. The difference is that some choose to cook butter for an hour, others all day by crockpot. Not a bad idea but again they are relying on something that is automatic and even those crockpots can get pretty toasty. Not crazy hot but I can imagine that full time boiling has a bit of a defeating effect because being able to degrade the thc faster than a simmer. Again this is only my opinion but pot really seems to get full benefits as a slow and low gets the job done it will just take some time as your decarb takes full effect.
If you want this stuff really good, take your time with it and ride it out.
I know I plan to make some fantastic butter and make sure that the fat in it is very high in content. In fact I'm going to check up on that now. Doing something like this with fire pot just makes me want to spend a little bit more of everything in finishing that product.

 

[john dickinson]

Is there a Magical Butter thread. Their info pages are heavy with the positives while I am looking for cautionary tales. thanks

 

[bearkat42]

It works. I use mine all of the time.

 

[harris hawk]

There are 2 new types of 'infuser" machine now - if you want name of let ne know, there are some video's on utube about the product - considered it my self - but as you mentioned I perfer 200 degres for decarbonization - many don't understand that process - seen/heard of some good results