Ttystikk's vertical goodness
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ttystikk
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You know I have a bunch of those Topsy Turvy Spice planters in the Garage of Wonders, right?
Someone else can try it. I'm just not going to try to grow on the flippin' ceiling, lol
Unless I find my Velcro soled boots...
JointOperation
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I tried the topsy turveys indoors.. it was ehhh. if I could redo my room..and put in a bunch of ceiling support beams so that the weight of the soil from the plants hanging from the ceiling were supported properly it would of been ok.. but I tried 1.. it did ok.. but the thing grew straight up anyways.. just did a U turn.. lol... it was ok. but not great. but.. I had a friend try it outdoors.. he hung them on tree branches.. and got a QP per plant.. hidden in trees.. but he had to do a lot of tree pruning to get them to have enough light.. to grow good.
ODanksta
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I need to correct myself, he was using 4k ceramic halide (retro whites) conversion bulbs. Yes the yield is a smaller, but the nugs are more dense and frostier. Im really not sure about how much less it yielded but i can tell you that a BHO run with the bulbs would be epic!
ttystikk
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It's like anything else, you have to put in the time to gain the skills. Each vertical grow keeps getting better, I don't know where the upper limit is.
ODanksta
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Ive tried that, no bullshit, the problem is they drip way to much. And they kinda suck at that i hung a bunch at the hydro shop i use to run and they never really worked good at all maybe with tomatoes but that's about it. I tried peppers and they didn't work.
Just my two cents
JointOperation
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ya man tysticks.. I wana go fully vert.. but im afraid if I fuck up.. ill be fucking lost.. the thing is honestly.. is im thinking about moving to smaller bulbs.. and going vert... and just put more bulbs in the rooms.. to be honest.. the problem is.. im not sure if I want to do monster trees.. or just stacks of smallers.. ? I just want the best yield.. and QUALITY .. lol. I like seeing these grows were the colas are the same size as the smallest bud on the bottom of the plant.. that's what I want to achieve..
ttystikk
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You just gotta do it; practice makes perfect. I don't see how you could lose yield, just follow the same basic rules as flatlander grows; keep things trimmed up n clean, not too close to the bulb, keep the girls happy n fed. I find that higher humidity (60-70% RH) helps to reduce stress n leaf burn.
ttystikk
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We're pulling over three # a light right now, we think that four per is a reachable goal as an overall average.
I built an access for people to get inside and do maintenance and plant training, but it's hard to move around in there because the bulbs take up the space. Getting those out of the way would make it much better.
ODanksta
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Damn homie 3 to 4, is that off 1k hid? I read somewhere in this thread you were using 860 watts, I believe, im assuming that is 2-400 watt dimmable digi's right? But that's got to be 3 to 4, off the silo?. I haven't set my new room up yet but if your pulling that i might actually try this. What if you had four silos with a light in the middle. Could you let them fill in the middle too. Im sure you could, right?
I might try this, I would not have to buy more lights. But the reason i wanted to do raised beds because of the access, but now thinking about it. I wouldn't be able to get to the middle anyways. I was thinking that if i vegged only for 10 days instead of 2 months i would need less training and it doesn't have time to have problems.shit i got some thinking to do.
ODanksta
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I have another question, i have not seen your lighting set up. I think you are using glass tubes and icebox's. I don't like iceboxs and because of the whole chiller thing, i just feel that you are using so much electricity, doesn't that offset the profit? That's the reason i like soil, no water chillers, pumps, rez changes or meters needed. And shit you in colorado isnt it suppose to be cold there..lol
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ttystikk
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This one first; I use water cooling as a replacement for AC, plus it cools my RDWC water and even dehueys the space for free. Oh, and it's 30% more efficient than AC for cooling, so I'm not sure where you get that I'm spending extra?
No glass tubes, it's bare bulb vertical. Lamps are 860W CDM, protected. Spectrum is pretty nice for HID:
Two bulbs in the silo, stacked up the centerline. Just four plants up the outside... we're getting up to 1-1.5# now (the average is lower, but that's due to old problems still working their way thru the system) and we are working to get two apiece soon.
The Iceboxes are too small, so we upsized;
That should work better.
Just to clear up any doubts about the efficiency of water cooling; I've been running three rooms with four of the above BARE BULBS in each one... all of them run twelve out of twenty four hours, and just one two Ton chiller has kept up with all three. Through the summer.
ODanksta
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Hell yeah! Thanks for responding! Damn i didn't know you have three rooms. Bare bulbs are best! And on top of that you using CDM! That's badass bro, sorry i didn't read that.
As always much respect!
So your using one 860 CDM per silo? Sorry if missed that.
The heat exchanger looks legit btw!
JointOperation
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nice ya.. ive always grown horizontal.. I tried a vert.. and did great.. but my main room is such a weird shape that its tough.. I got like a 6x6 room connected to a 8x10 like an L.. and I run 3 1000s.. and a 1000w vert on a flip flop.. to add more lights.
ttystikk
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Vertical can work well for 'weird spaces' just because of it's small footprint.
Depending on the silo size that will fit, you can have anywhere from six by six foot square all the way down to three by three.
Heights can vary by the number of bulbs inside as well as size in watts.
Having it to do over- what else is a lab environment for if not repeatability?- I did go vertical, and I did it in weird spaces.
Now the plants get ideal lighting no matter how weird the space is.
Depending on the silo size that will fit, you can have anywhere from six by six foot square all the way down to three by three.
Heights can vary by the number of bulbs inside as well as size in watts.
Having it to do over- what else is a lab environment for if not repeatability?- I did go vertical, and I did it in weird spaces.
Now the plants get ideal lighting no matter how weird the space is.
thay5212
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Hey tty, finally got around to checkin out some of your pics over here, your setup looks great man. After our convo at Avo's a few weeks ago I went ahead and setup my grow vert, no doubt after only a few weeks I've noticed better all around plants with the increase in light they are getting. Still a work in progress and I just had a terrible m/f rate so I'm a bit bare on one side right now but that will be fixed soon, have some clones about ready to drop in there. Surrounding the lights with an eventual sog underneath instead of stacking lights. Anyways, just stopping by to say hey.
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ttystikk
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@justugh 'waterfalls are shit'
Funny, Mother Nature's been using them to great effect for a few billion years now. The fish in the streams aren't dead, and the river itself is well purified by the action of falling water.
Air pumps and stones generally don't agitate the water column in the tub very well, nor do they break surface tension effectively. This is why waterfalls work as well our better than any of these insanely complicated and expensive systems.
Put even more simply, adequate, complete, saturated levels of oxygenation are EASY to attain, not difficult.
I'm going to say this one more time, just so the fucking noobs get it; EVERYTHING I ADVOCATE COMES FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. If it didn't work, I wouldn't be pushing it!
What financial incentive do I have for saying air pumps are unnecessary? None! What's the vested interest of all these other sources who want to sell you an air pump based aeration system? Duh!
Funny, Mother Nature's been using them to great effect for a few billion years now. The fish in the streams aren't dead, and the river itself is well purified by the action of falling water.
Air pumps and stones generally don't agitate the water column in the tub very well, nor do they break surface tension effectively. This is why waterfalls work as well our better than any of these insanely complicated and expensive systems.
Put even more simply, adequate, complete, saturated levels of oxygenation are EASY to attain, not difficult.
I'm going to say this one more time, just so the fucking noobs get it; EVERYTHING I ADVOCATE COMES FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. If it didn't work, I wouldn't be pushing it!
What financial incentive do I have for saying air pumps are unnecessary? None! What's the vested interest of all these other sources who want to sell you an air pump based aeration system? Duh!