Thoughts on MMPR, LPs (Tilray), prices and other musings

[SmokerJoeAB]

I have been lurking around here for a while now and I have read a lot of complaints and bitching about the MMPR, the LPs and the general state of the medical marijuana industry. I want to offer up another perspective.

I am a 55 year old veteran with PTSD and Fibromyalgia patient and no, of course my handle is not my real name. And BTW, I pay for my weed, no intention of getting the public to pay for it as long as I can work.

I have tried a panoply of traditional meds for my conditions, SSRIs, SNRIs, MAOIs and others such as Valproic Acid, Pregabalin, Gabapectin. you name it, it has been tried and most of them have given me worse issues than the actual illnesses. Then I found weed, a friend told me to try it and I did in a moment when I really needed it. And it worked, yes the side effect is the 3 to 4 hour buzz but the medical element is real and it is a life saver, and I am not speaking figuratively.

So, after buying the stuff on the street risking my professional career for the ability to get some relief from my ailments I finally got in the MMPR and chose Tilray as my LP as recommended by my doctor. I have read a lot of complaining and a ton of bitching on this site and others but what I have not seen is an acknowledgment of how far we have come. It is legal folks! Expensive? it can be but if your complaints are about the fact that you need to pay $13/gram for a type of weed then buy a cheaper version or go back to the street. How much does a criminal record cost you? If you are in this for the buzz and to get stoned then get the hell out before you ruin it for the people who actually need it for what the program is for. Your loud complaints about the costs of high THC weed is just giving ammunition to the Neanderthals who would love nothing else than to shut the whole thing down and go back to the dark ages.

I am not trying to take your right to complain away, I am just asking that you do it in a way that does not look like a bunch of spoiled teenagers who found a way to get an acupuncturist to get them in the program. Some of us need this to live folks.

Now on the subject of Licensed Producers, are they altruistic non-profit corporations in it to help mankind? Of course not, they are private and in some cases even publicly traded, for-profit companies reacting to supply and demand. They are blazing a path in uncharted territory in an adverse political environment and for that I thank them. If you don't like the prices or the products, complain to them and try to go to others, yes, I recognize the system tried to build in monopolies but that too will change with customer pressure. Things will get better and prices will come down, they always do but for now these companies need to recuperate their investment and they need to get stable. Once that's done we will reap the benefits. Oh and one more thing on the subject, people complaining that Tilray does not ask for signatures and Purolator leaves the package on their doorstep. Would you prefer that a signature be required so that if you are not home the package needs to get stored in the Purolator store room where the people working in the warehouse can get a whiff of whats in the box? Once again not perfect but think about the alternative before bitching.

I am not expecting to stop the moaning, haters gotta hate but I just want to make sure we recognize where we are. Getting caught with 5 grams of weed without an MMPR license is still illegal and a criminal offense in this country. The Supreme Court helped those of us who actually need this to live a normal life get access to it against the wishes of the conservative government. I for one want to say thanks and I know its going to get better.

 

[Yessica...]

I have been lurking around here for a while now and I have read a lot of complaints and bitching about the MMPR, the LPs and the general state of the medical marijuana industry. I want to offer up another perspective.

I am a 55 year old veteran with PTSD and Fibromyalgia patient and no, of course my handle is not my real name. And BTW, I pay for my weed, no intention of getting the public to pay for it as long as I can work.

I have tried a panoply of traditional meds for my conditions, SSRIs, SNRIs, MAOIs and others such as Valproic Acid, Pregabalin, Gabapectin. you name it, it has been tried and most of them have given me worse issues than the actual illnesses. Then I found weed, a friend told me to try it and I did in a moment when I really needed it. And it worked, yes the side effect is the 3 to 4 hour buzz but the medical element is real and it is a life saver, and I am not speaking figuratively.

So, after buying the stuff on the street risking my professional career for the ability to get some relief from my ailments I finally got in the MMPR and chose Tilray as my LP as recommended by my doctor. I have read a lot of complaining and a tone of bitching on this site and others but what I have not seen is an acknowledgment of how far we have come. It is legal folks! Expensive? it can be but if your complaints are about the fact that you need to pay $13/gram for a type of weed then buy a cheaper version or go back to the street. How much does a criminal record cost you? If you are in this for the buzz and to get stoned then get the hell out before you ruin it for the people who actually need it for what the program is for. Your loud complaints about the costs of high THC weed is just giving ammunition to the Neanderthals who would love nothing else than to shut the whole thing down and go back to the dark ages.

I am not trying to take your right to complain away, I am just asking that you do it in a way that does not look like a bunch of spoiled teenagers who found a way to get an acupuncturist to get them in the program. Some of us need this to live folks.

Now on the subject of Licensed Producers, are they altruistically non-profit corporations in it to help mankind? Of course not, they are a private, for-profit companies reacting to supply and demand. They are blazing a path in uncharted territory in an adverse political environment and for that I thank them. If you don't like the prices or the products, complain to them and try to go to others, yes, I recognize the system tried to build in monopolies but that too will change with customer pressure. Things will get better and prices will come down, they always do but for now these companies need to recuperate their investment and they need to get stable. Once that's done we will reap the benefits.

I am not expecting to stop the moaning, haters gotta hate but I just want to make sure we recognize where we are. Getting caught with 5 grams of weed without an MMPR license is still illegal and a criminal offense in this country. The Supreme Court helped those of us who actually need this to live a normal life get access to it against the wishes of the conservative government. I for one want to say thanks and I know its going to get better.

Thank you for that!

 

[symptum]

The problem is that people have had their rights systematically stripped away and in reality given no choice as to who they buy from. When I first joined the MMPR I was pretty happy that I was finally legal. However, that soon changed when L.Ps began to run out of product, ship non medical grade cannabis and charge out the ass for the privilege of being recognized as a legitimate patient. If these companies treated their patients with an ounce of dignity there would be no problem. Given your medical history how would you have felt if you were told what doctor you could see, how often you could see him or her and he or she treated you with a total lack of respect during every appointment? It's not exactly the same thing buy I think it's a pretty fair analogy. Also, Just because people complain about price does not mean they are out to sneak one by the man and are abusing the system. The most prevalent abuse of the MMPR is from the L.Ps , not the few "patients" who signed up a as legal way to get blitzed.

 

[CalyxCrusher]

First and foremost let me start by saying thank you for your service to our country. We have technically had "legal" medical marijuana since 2001. I think to understand why people are voicing their complaints on the new system, we have to know where it stems from. The majority of patients are upset because their right to choose between growing for themselves, having someone grow for them, or purchasing from Health Canada was taken away.

Many of those same patients are all for the LP's being added to the former options, but unfortunately that was never a consideration. So now patients HAVE to purchase from an LP in order to technically on paper be "legal". FORCED to purchase at a much much higher cost than producing for yourself, and at a much much lower quality. These transactions are done basically on the good faith of the patients hoping that they receive something of medicinal strength and quality, without ever seeing or smelling the cannabis. Both of which, up until this point, LP's have failed to offer. To the best of my knowledge we have a large number of medical patients on this board, many of whom need medical cannabis or have someone close to them who does.

 

[Yessica...]

The problem is that people have had their rights systematically stripped away and in reality given no choice as to who they buy from. When I first joined the MMPR I was pretty happy that I was finally legal. However, that soon changed when L.Ps began to run out of product, ship non medical grade cannabis and charge out the ass for the privilege of being recognized as a legitimate patient. If these companies treated their patients with an ounce of dignity there would be no problem. Given your medical history how would you have felt if you were told what doctor you could see, how often you could see him or her and he or she treated you with a total lack of respect during every appointment? It's not exactly the same thing buy I think it's a pretty fair analogy. Also, Just because people complain about price does not mean they are out to sneak one by the man and are abusing the system. The most prevalent abuse of the MMPR is from the L.Ps , not the few "patients" who signed up a as legal way to get blitzed.

There are ALWAYS choices.
- LP's
- compassionate care clubs
- growing your own (shhhhh)
- buying from someone else not in the system (also shhhhh)

I clearly lived the majority of my life choosing the later 2.

I am tickled pink that I am NOW given MORE CHOICES.

 

[symptum]

The only problem with your 4 "choices" is that only one is legal. Where as before under the MMAR, they were all legal options for accessing cannabis.except the L.Ps obviously as they didn't exist.

 

[Yessica...]

The only problem with your 4 "choices" is that only one is legal. Where as before under the MMAR, they were all legal options for accessing cannabis.except the L.Ps obviously as they didn't exist.

Compassionate care clubs are not legal?

Damn - I was going to see if I could go to one when I'm in "the big CITY"

 

[nsbudca]

a good perspective for sure.

heres the issue with pricing though. while it may change, right now its still high. i make alright money, not spectacular though. i have a 15 month old and another due in december. my fiance is on mat leave from her job early as her pregnancy has caused her a few issues. were not broke, but i can't afford my whole script. it would cost me a little over 400$ a month, after you equate in taxes and shipping costs. I only have a gram a day prescription, i didn't get more because theres no reason for it, i can't afford it.Thats 4 x's the amount of my phone bill.My mother has a 3 gram a day prescription through Tilray, at 10$ a gram X 30 days a month thats 900$ a month. Thats a mortgage on a nice house. Sometimes it just doesn't work. I like having a choice in strains, knowing its tested and clean and since i'm with canna farms, no irradiation.I also like knowing that i don't have the burden of being scared of getting caught however, while the prices may drop in the future, that doesn't help anyone right now. When people used to be able to produce their own for pennies a gram and are now paying anywhere from 6$-14.50$(highest I've seen, from Medreleaf) how are they going to afford it? In vice's documentary, specifically about the MMPR, theres a gentlemen with a 55g/day prescription. 55 at 10$ a day??? 550$ a day!

While you may have a great paying job and you're fine with paying the money, others don't and we need to have a sense of that.

 

[bcbreeder]

Geez first post and going on about tilray sounds like another shill or who knows...
Well smoker joeab, I have severe ptsd too, not from killing people but from being abused
And i hear you that you need your weed I need my weed too and yes I'm an mmpr approved patient and
Why I did not choose tilray in no particular order.
-instead of growing their own, bought up like 2000 pounds of others Mmar weed
Some of these deals were well reputed to be biker deals

(as someone with ptsd I can't in good conscience be buying weed that comes from these sources)

So I went with bedrocan instead, not a lot of strain choice, but at least you know they grew their own weed and
It is well established , to boot I find their strain very potent and no negative vibes.

Why a doctor would recommend tilray is beyond me, what's his name?
I told my doctor all about tilray and you can count on it he would never recommend a patient to them.

 

[GroErr]

I have been lurking around here for a while now and I have read a lot of complaints and bitching about the MMPR, the LPs and the general state of the medical marijuana industry. I want to offer up another perspective.

I am a 55 year old veteran with PTSD and Fibromyalgia patient and no, of course my handle is not my real name. And BTW, I pay for my weed, no intention of getting the public to pay for it as long as I can work.

I have tried a panoply of traditional meds for my conditions, SSRIs, SNRIs, MAOIs and others such as Valproic Acid, Pregabalin, Gabapectin. you name it, it has been tried and most of them have given me worse issues than the actual illnesses. Then I found weed, a friend told me to try it and I did in a moment when I really needed it. And it worked, yes the side effect is the 3 to 4 hour buzz but the medical element is real and it is a life saver, and I am not speaking figuratively.

So, after buying the stuff on the street risking my professional career for the ability to get some relief from my ailments I finally got in the MMPR and chose Tilray as my LP as recommended by my doctor. I have read a lot of complaining and a ton of bitching on this site and others but what I have not seen is an acknowledgment of how far we have come. It is legal folks! Expensive? it can be but if your complaints are about the fact that you need to pay $13/gram for a type of weed then buy a cheaper version or go back to the street. How much does a criminal record cost you? If you are in this for the buzz and to get stoned then get the hell out before you ruin it for the people who actually need it for what the program is for. Your loud complaints about the costs of high THC weed is just giving ammunition to the Neanderthals who would love nothing else than to shut the whole thing down and go back to the dark ages.

I am not trying to take your right to complain away, I am just asking that you do it in a way that does not look like a bunch of spoiled teenagers who found a way to get an acupuncturist to get them in the program. Some of us need this to live folks.

Now on the subject of Licensed Producers, are they altruistic non-profit corporations in it to help mankind? Of course not, they are private and in some cases even publicly traded, for-profit companies reacting to supply and demand. They are blazing a path in uncharted territory in an adverse political environment and for that I thank them. If you don't like the prices or the products, complain to them and try to go to others, yes, I recognize the system tried to build in monopolies but that too will change with customer pressure. Things will get better and prices will come down, they always do but for now these companies need to recuperate their investment and they need to get stable. Once that's done we will reap the benefits. Oh and one more thing on the subject, people complaining that Tilray does not ask for signatures and Purolator leaves the package on their doorstep. Would you prefer that a signature be required so that if you are not home the package needs to get stored in the Purolator store room where the people working in the warehouse can get a whiff of whats in the box? Once again not perfect but think about the alternative before bitching.

I am not expecting to stop the moaning, haters gotta hate but I just want to make sure we recognize where we are. Getting caught with 5 grams of weed without an MMPR license is still illegal and a criminal offense in this country. The Supreme Court helped those of us who actually need this to live a normal life get access to it against the wishes of the conservative government. I for one want to say thanks and I know its going to get better.

While you are entitled to your own opinion and I agree with some of it. Most of us "whiners" are folks who have been growing for years because we feel it is an injustice in how the hypocritical and almost random/selective "legal" drugs are readily available to all who need them, along with their incredible side-effects. Yet, because we choose MJ as our medicine, we have to be continually ducking and hiding, or go along with the law-of-the-day and pay ridiculous prices for something we can grow ourselves for around $1/gram. While you may not see it as an injustice, and seem to be willing to play along with whatever and whoever rules the day, that's your prerogative. I, and many others are not. Yes I use it for cancer, I supply some close friends who are also dealing with cancer, and I like it as a recreational drug as well, shoot me. This plant can save lives and/or make life just a little more tolerable for many illnesses. Due to some arbitrary decision many years ago to classify it as illegal, along with the ensuing government fear-mongering/propaganda, we have a plant which has essentially been wasted for years. Excuse me or others for fighting injustice, people with your bend me over and fuck me again attitude is exactly why we're still fighting. Someone has to.

 

[nsbudca]

While you are entitled to your own opinion and I agree with some of it. Most of us "whiners" are folks who have been growing for years because we feel it is an injustice in how the hypocritical and almost random/selective "legal" drugs are readily available to all who need them, along with their incredible side-effects. Yet, because we choose MJ as our medicine, we have to be continually ducking and hiding, or go along with the law-of-the-day and pay ridiculous prices for something we can grow ourselves for around $1/gram. While you may not see it as an injustice, and seem to be willing to play along with whatever and whoever rules the day, that's your prerogative. I, and many others are not. Yes I use it for cancer, I supply some close friends who are also dealing with cancer, and I like it as a recreational drug as well, shoot me. This plant can save lives and/or make life just a little more tolerable for many illnesses. Due to some arbitrary decision many years ago to classify it as illegal, along with the ensuing government fear-mongering/propaganda, we have a plant which has essentially been wasted for years. Excuse me or others for fighting injustice, people with your bend me over and fuck me again attitude is exactly why we're still fighting. Someone has to.

LP's are a good option for those who have a good income and can't/don't want to grow. If i would have gotten my PPL under the MMAR, theres no mother fucking way I'd be even a little cool with the MMPR. I don't hate LP's. I don't think their all bad (some a fucked, don't get me wrong). But i do feel that LP's should just be an option, not the only option.

 

[Yessica...]

Everything here (postings on RIU) - are our own OPINIONS. Based on our own experiences, and what has happened in our own lives.

Yes - LP's are too expensive. It's a last minute hoo-ra (I think) for the Conservative government to try to make some money before the election. And I'm sure it's working.

But - I really don't think the LP's are necessarily the problem here. They are Wal-mart, they are "big business". Anyone that got through with this current government - had to do SOMETHING to be able to be given the chance.

But - I think they "the LP's" are just puppets in this whole thing.

I have read, literally hundreds of negative posts regarding LP's, MMPR, everything new.

I GET IT - IT SUCKS.

But I think this anger and resentment is sometimes being misplaced on members of this forum, or whatever is the easiest to hate.

THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT did this.

Bitching and complaining about it, isn't going to change the fact that this is the way that it is....for now.

But writing your MP, thinking up a NEW WAY, asking government officials and people in power in your area what they plan on doing come 2015 - that could do some real good.

It's campaign time pretty soon. The parties want supporters.

Support someone and make sure that this is not the way it will be forever...

Again - just my opinion.

 

[ilovebigbuds]

Thanks for sharing your perspective SmokerJoeAB. I am new to this forum and have been reading all of the complaints. I agree that we have come a long way in the progression of Medical Cannabis for Canadian patients who truly need it.

Bravo!

 

[SmokerJoeAB]

The problem is that people have had their rights systematically stripped away and in reality given no choice as to who they buy from. When I first joined the MMPR I was pretty happy that I was finally legal. However, that soon changed when L.Ps began to run out of product, ship non medical grade cannabis and charge out the ass for the privilege of being recognized as a legitimate patient. If these companies treated their patients with an ounce of dignity there would be no problem. Given your medical history how would you have felt if you were told what doctor you could see, how often you could see him or her and he or she treated you with a total lack of respect during every appointment? It's not exactly the same thing buy I think it's a pretty fair analogy. Also, Just because people complain about price does not mean they are out to sneak one by the man and are abusing the system. The most prevalent abuse of the MMPR is from the L.Ps , not the few "patients" who signed up a as legal way to get blitzed.

I understand your point and sympathize but the issue is not the LPs is it? The real issue is the governments efforts to box in this issue while at the same time trying to placate the Supreme Court ruling. If the Government was serious in their efforts to help then there would be programs to assist those in need and hell maybe even insurance to cover the costs. I don't blame the LPs, its not like the large pharmas are not making money on the backs of the sick and injured. I blame a government full of old, tired and scared boomers who are deadly afraid of losing power and having a younger generation take over their privileges. When i hear geriatrics calling a forty or so year old man too young I start to wonder what the hell happened. That is not a political endorsement by the way just an observation, these people exist in all political colours, they just seem to concentrate more on the extreme right of the spectrum because that's where fear resides. Marijuana is only an issue in the head of people who still believe the movie "Reefer Madness" was a documentary.

You are entirely correct to say that there is abuse but I just cannot blame the LPs, they are doing what they are created to do. The issue resides elsewhere and we have one way to fix it. problem is that voting unfortunately is not that popular with the generation who have the most to gain from it so we live with the governments that represent the people who vote not the country.

 

[gb123]

I have been lurking around here for a while now and I have read a lot of complaints and bitching about the MMPR, the LPs and the general state of the medical marijuana industry. I want to offer up another perspective.

I am a 55 year old veteran with PTSD and Fibromyalgia patient and no, of course my handle is not my real name. And BTW, I pay for my weed, no intention of getting the public to pay for it as long as I can work.

I have tried a panoply of traditional meds for my conditions, SSRIs, SNRIs, MAOIs and others such as Valproic Acid, Pregabalin, Gabapectin. you name it, it has been tried and most of them have given me worse issues than the actual illnesses. Then I found weed, a friend told me to try it and I did in a moment when I really needed it. And it worked, yes the side effect is the 3 to 4 hour buzz but the medical element is real and it is a life saver, and I am not speaking figuratively.

So, after buying the stuff on the street risking my professional career for the ability to get some relief from my ailments I finally got in the MMPR and chose Tilray as my LP as recommended by my doctor. I have read a lot of complaining and a ton of bitching on this site and others but what I have not seen is an acknowledgment of how far we have come. It is legal folks! Expensive? it can be but if your complaints are about the fact that you need to pay $13/gram for a type of weed then buy a cheaper version or go back to the street. How much does a criminal record cost you? If you are in this for the buzz and to get stoned then get the hell out before you ruin it for the people who actually need it for what the program is for. Your loud complaints about the costs of high THC weed is just giving ammunition to the Neanderthals who would love nothing else than to shut the whole thing down and go back to the dark ages.

I am not trying to take your right to complain away, I am just asking that you do it in a way that does not look like a bunch of spoiled teenagers who found a way to get an acupuncturist to get them in the program. Some of us need this to live folks.

Now on the subject of Licensed Producers, are they altruistic non-profit corporations in it to help mankind? Of course not, they are private and in some cases even publicly traded, for-profit companies reacting to supply and demand. They are blazing a path in uncharted territory in an adverse political environment and for that I thank them. If you don't like the prices or the products, complain to them and try to go to others, yes, I recognize the system tried to build in monopolies but that too will change with customer pressure. Things will get better and prices will come down, they always do but for now these companies need to recuperate their investment and they need to get stable. Once that's done we will reap the benefits. Oh and one more thing on the subject, people complaining that Tilray does not ask for signatures and Purolator leaves the package on their doorstep. Would you prefer that a signature be required so that if you are not home the package needs to get stored in the Purolator store room where the people working in the warehouse can get a whiff of whats in the box? Once again not perfect but think about the alternative before bitching.

I am not expecting to stop the moaning, haters gotta hate but I just want to make sure we recognize where we are. Getting caught with 5 grams of weed without an MMPR license is still illegal and a criminal offense in this country. The Supreme Court helped those of us who actually need this to live a normal life get access to it against the wishes of the conservative government. I for one want to say thanks and I know its going to get better.

We better hope the courts uphold what is right. If you have been around 55 years, you know all to well Im sure, that does not always happen.
If these LP are suppose to grow THE BEST QUALITY medication. They should be held accountable and investors should know how their money is being squandered.
I understand this is Canada and paying our way, is the way it should be.
Being forced into a system is not something anyone should have done to them.
Having a choice, is also what it's about.

Hope you find good meds for your Fibro. The oil does wonders for it!!

@ symptom.. most people here don't realize the rights they lost over the passed few years.

We have none anymore and when it comes time to demand them.
You'll get.. What rights?

 

[kDude]

what I have not seen is an acknowledgment of how far we have come. It is legal folks! Expensive? it can be but if your complaints are about the fact that you need to pay $13/gram for a type of weed then buy a cheaper version or go back to the street. How much does a criminal record cost you?

kinda contradicting, no?

appreciate the service, and the opinion.. but i feel it's slightly uneducated on the subject
it's not legal. and we're actually moving backwards.
i assume you missed the MMAR system?.. which wasn't perfect by far, but was a much better system. only reason i can understand why some people (you're not the first in defense) think the MMPR is good.

it is as you said a monopoly, with very limited choices. and a costly trial and error ordeal for many patients.
i'm sure you can understand the anger of after years being able to produce your own meds -finding and being very specific to you alone- to now having to buy at a huge monetary increase, medicine that isn't working for you, and having to search through many strains to try to find relief.

i'm not against these LP's being allowed to produce medicine.. i'm against ONLY these LP's being allowed to produce medicine.

 

[Yessica...]

kinda contradicting, no?

appreciate the service, and the opinion.. but i feel it's slightly uneducated on the subject
it's not legal. and we're actually moving backwards.
i assume you missed the MMAR system?.. which wasn't perfect by far, but was a much better system. only reason i can understand why some people (you're not the first in defense) think the MMPR is good.

it is as you said a monopoly, with very limited choices. and a costly trial and error ordeal for many patients.
i'm sure you can understand the anger of after years being able to produce your own meds finding and being very specific to you alone.. to know having to buy at a huge monetary increase, medicine that isn't working for you, and having to search through many strains to try to find relief.

i'm not against these LP's being allowed to produce medicine.. i'm against ONLY these LP's being allowed to produce medicine.

It was SO intentional by the Conservative government for things to end up this way - it's redonk.

But - there has got to be something that can be done.

I know this is WAAAAAY off on a tangent, and it's been done - but what about a religion where one of the practices is to treat ailments with MMJ that is grown by the "church constituents" .

If people in the states can boycott a gay funereal, there's got to be some leeway for a religion in Canada to grow a plant that everyone worships.

Something to think about...

 

[nsbudca]

Compassionate care clubs are not legal?

Damn - I was going to see if I could go to one when I'm in "the big CITY"

it's no more illegal than how you got your pot before. only i'm pretty sure you need a whole other document to become a member of a compassion club. i don't think your mmpr documentation qualifies you. i may be wrong, i have never ben to a dispensary/CC.

 

[Yessica...]

it's no more illegal than how you got your pot before. only i'm pretty sure you need a whole other document to become a member of a compassion club. i don't think your mmpr documentation qualifies you. i may be wrong, i have never ben to a dispensary/CC.

I'm planning on going the next time I am in a big enough city to have one. Toronto has one, and I know someone that is a member there.

Their doctor recommended it to them, so that may be different for me because I saw a Skype doctor. But, I'm going to e-mail the club and ask.

But - since I am now almost 2 month on the "up and up", I do want to make sure my arse is covered and they are indeed legal.

I'm too cute for prison.

 

[leaffan]

Thanks for sharing your perspective SmokerJoeAB. I am new to this forum and have been reading all of the complaints. I agree that we have come a long way in the progression of Medical Cannabis for Canadian patients who truly need it.

Bravo!

Are you fucking nuts?....Losing your right to grow is progression?