Surprise! Leftist Minimum Wage Policy Backfires in Seattle Suburb

[NoDrama]

So... we should starve the hardworking lower class, because their bosses are jerks?

The whole "then improve your skillset" argument doesn't work for those who make less than what it costs to survive. They can't afford to maintain their health well enough to both work full time and go to school full time. Min wage vs cost of living is a slow and painful death, and a life not lived. Lots of people have killed themselves over being trapped in that situation.

So turn up the Min wage to $60 an hour, that should solve all problems. Better yet, $100 million per hour, then we can all retire for the rest of our lives. I'm all for it, what could possibly go wrong?

FYI Yes I AM SERIOUS, I have many posts with this exact same scenario as my idea to break the shackles of slave labor forever.

 

[reasonevangelist]

This debate is going to boil down to, who do you believe is responsible for your personal choices in life. You or somebody/something else?

Look, if individuals don’t have enough wear withal to recognize that they’re in a dead end career or a job with no opportunity to make a decent wage, raise a family and put a roof over their head; whose fault is that?

Yearly statistics for cost of housing, medical care, and raising a child, etc, are published. They have been available for decades. You wouldn’t think that anybody would even attempt to raise children on minimum wage. But that’s clearly not the case!

Now you want to jack the wages for menial workers at the expense of skilled workers? What will that accomplish? The menial worker is always going to be on the bottom of the distribution. Fiddling with the minimum wage is a feel good maneuver, a stunt, a simple attempt at influencing the weak minded for political gain.

We all know what median means, it’s the individuals choice to decide where he or she wants to be on that curve!

You can’t live on the minimum wage; improve your skill set so you can live better.

What’s you’re thought ... everybody who’s made bad choices should have somebody reward them for being stupid, at the expense of others losing an opportunity?

Come on, that’s nonsense and you know it.

I think the more important question is: if individuals who DO have the wherewithal to recognize that their only available option is a dead end job or career with no opportunity to make a decent wage, etc. ... whose fault is that?

The test taker does not design the test; they merely select from the available answers. You can't fault the test taker when the maker has not allowed the best answers to be among the available selections.

 

[reasonevangelist]

So turn up the Min wage to $60 an hour, that should solve all problems.

That obviously won't work either.

Increase min wage, everything becomes more expensive, which ultimately consumes the increase, and we're back where we were ($60 is now worth $7)... but you can't reduce the cost of living when you don't control what anything costs. You only have the option of buying or not buying, whether you need or not.

 

[reasonevangelist]

So turn up the Min wage to $60 an hour, that should solve all problems. Better yet, $100 million per hour, then we can all retire for the rest of our lives. I'm all for it, what could possibly go wrong?

FYI Yes I AM SERIOUS, I have many posts with this exact same scenario as my idea to break the shackles of slave labor forever.

lol, now $100,000,000 is worth $7. I doubt the banksters will be interested in that solution.

 

[UncleBuck]

why is there a walmart and home depot in ontario, oregon when literally 800 feet away there is buildable land in idaho where min wage is about $3 an hour less?

 

[NoDrama]

lol, now $100,000,000 is worth $7. I doubt the banksters will be interested in that solution.

Why not? It costs them nothing.

 

[heckler73]

This debate is going to boil down to, who do you believe is responsible for your personal choices in life. You or somebody/something else?

I don't believe that is the debate at all.
I am talking about a cold fact of progress. Specifically of the technological kind.
I am talking about the decisions of managers when they consider an equation (albeit loose) such as:

I am talking about the stagnant (or falling) incomes of the bottom 80%.
These are things beyond the grasp of "personal choice", if I'm understanding your definition of it.
The irony is, these "improvements" have a more crippling effect on those one would consider Upper-Middle Class. What may be difficult to perceive from that Mean Income chart I made is the compression.

Eventually, we're all just going to be servicing each other for $20 a pop.
What kind of future is that?

 

[NoDrama]

That obviously won't work either.

Increase min wage, everything becomes more expensive, which ultimately consumes the increase, and we're back where we were ($60 is now worth $7)... but you can't reduce the cost of living when you don't control what anything costs. You only have the option of buying or not buying, whether you need or not.

You are a lot smarter than those people in Seattle.

The real problem is greed.

 

[spandy]

Seriously, is there anyone here whose life ambition is to work at a minimum wage job? High school kids don’t believe you could make a living off of a minimum wage job. Not even Bucky believes that. These are starter jobs --- that’s it.

If the intent is to turn minimum wage jobs into livable wages, why not jack those number up to 30 bucks/hr?

For people to pretend that they're doing something useful by minimally screwing around with the rate is nonsense.

Minimum wage is enough. Its the 30-40 hour work week that they somehow think they are entitled to that is the problem.

 

[NoDrama]

why is there a walmart and home depot in ontario, oregon when literally 800 feet away there is buildable land in idaho where min wage is about $3 an hour less?

Idaho has a business tax that is higher than Oregon's by almost 100 Basis points. That could be one of many reasons. Maybe Ontario gave the companies big property tax breaks in order to entice them there?

Fishing trips that have no catches are no fun are they?

 

[NoDrama]

Minimum wage is enough. Its the 30-40 hour work week that they somehow think they are entitled to that is the problem.

whao whao there fella, you start giving people 30 hours, you gotta start giving them insurance. We can't have people around here thinking they can just go to a doctor if they get sick, hell no, they stay working so they can afford the doctor, and they only miss work if they almost dead.

 

[reasonevangelist]

Why not? It costs them nothing.

Hmmm...

something something something, because it has to be done gradually, or they'll lose control?

or... if they inflate it too much, the illusion of the worth of a dollar will fail, people will realize it's worthless, everyone will drop it and/or "run the banks," and TSHTF... something like that?

 

[NoDrama]

Hmmm...

something something something,

That sums it up perfectly, I agree.

 

[reasonevangelist]

That sums it up perfectly, I agree.

lol.

"Something something something, dark side... something something, The Force..." xD

 

[heckler73]

lol.

"Something something something, dark side... something something, The Force..." xD

 

[UncleBuck]

Idaho has a business tax that is higher than Oregon's by almost 100 Basis points.

citation needed.

 

[NoDrama]

citation needed.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/state-corporate-income-tax-rates

 

[UncleBuck]

http://taxfoundation.org/article/state-corporate-income-tax-rates

so basically the same or higher tax rate for businesses in oregon. got it. you're full of shit.

 

[reasonevangelist]

Minimum wage is enough. Its the 30-40 hour work week that they somehow think they are entitled to that is the problem.

I don't need 30-40 hours. You can totally pay me the same amount that i need to live, for just one hour, and i won't complain at all.

In fact, if more bosses would do that, i could have like 15 jobs! And still have some free time!

I think you're right: we should drop that whole, forcing people to work 40+ hours per week nonsense, and pay them the same amount for 10% of the time. It would be way better, and you know what? MORE JOBS! You'd have 10x as many people employed!

i should run for president...

 

[Harrekin]

And the funny thing is that most economists and people with a brain would say an increase in line with inflation is ok, it's the stupid big jumps proposed by lefties that people oppose, not the concept of minimum wage itself.