Mechanization and the Future

heckler73

heckler73

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NoDrama said:
That's what war is for, if that isn't good enough, some engineered virus can kill some, but mostly what is needed is a bunch more tyrants who aren't too timid to kill 75% of their citizens. Eventually it will come to that.
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Can that be avoided? If not, why?
 
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NoDrama

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heckler73 said:
Can that be avoided? If not, why?
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It could only be avoided by a well educated citizenry advocating peace and understanding, so pretty much not gonna happen for a few more millennia or, at least until we start to understand how the world and the people in it actually works, not how we are told it works.
 
Doer

Doer

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bah.... robotics makes new jobs every day and has for decades.
No one sees anything but accelerated job creation VIA robotics.
 
heckler73

heckler73

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Doer said:
bah.... robotics makes new jobs every day and has for decades.
No one sees anything but accelerated job creation VIA robotics.
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What do you suppose the predation rate upon human labour is from Capital?
How many jobs were created with the introduction of Welding Robots?
How many were created with the introduction of CAD and higher engineering software?
How many were created by beam lines, CNC plate cutters, punches and mills?

What took a room full of engineers and draftsmen is reduced to a Polish engineer using a (not so) cheap version of Tekla Structures, transforming 50 pages of structural and architectural drawings into a neatly nested cut-list (suitable for CNC input) and a pile of part drawings (plus a 3D fly-through in real-time with stress calculations).
Five or six people can then take those drawings and make it real, with the aid of cranes, front loaders, etc.

India meanwhile churns out more engineers than people graduating from American colleges as a whole.
The white collars aren't immune from the ravages of technological usurpation!
Traders on Wall St. are an endangered species.
Do all these people suddenly find work in higher realms of the income strata?

Microsoft is laying people off... Even those who program our obsolescence are eating themselves.
Maybe I should start getting some signs ready for when I'm in the street trying to market myself:

BUY A HANDJOB, GET FREE ROCKET-ENGINEERING
only $20 a pop.​
 
Doer

Doer

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heckler73 said:

What do you suppose the predation rate upon human labour is from Capital?
How many jobs were created with the introduction of Welding Robots?
How many were created with the introduction of CAD and higher engineering software?
How many were created by beam lines, CNC plate cutters, punches and mills?

What took a room full of engineers and draftsmen is reduced to a Polish engineer using a (not so) cheap version of Tekla Structures, transforming 50 pages of structural and architectural drawings into a neatly nested cut-list (suitable for CNC input) and a pile of part drawings (plus a 3D fly-through in real-time with stress calculations).
Five or six people can then take those drawings and make it real, with the aid of cranes, front loaders, etc.

India meanwhile churns out more engineers than people graduating from American colleges as a whole.
The white collars aren't immune from the ravages of technological usurpation!
Traders on Wall St. are an endangered species.
Do all these people suddenly find work in higher realms of the income strata?

Microsoft is laying people off... Even those who program our obsolescence are eating themselves.
Maybe I should start getting some signs ready for when I'm in the street trying to market myself:

BUY A HANDJOB, GET FREE ROCKET-ENGINEERING
only $20 a pop.​
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I thought you were smarter than this.
 
Doer

Doer

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Read up on shifts in labor demand?

http://www.albany.edu/~aj4575/LectureNotes/Lecture34.pdf

Robotics are but on a small factor in this equation. We are moving outward in our orbit for the next 10K years. It will be colder and we will not keep this world population level. And climate is not the only reason we predict the population may crash. Robotics will aid in less birth rate in the industrialized Countries.

The Robots will protect us from the Terrible Secret of Space. If we don't get the DNA off this dung hill, it won't matter.

And we cannot do that without Robots.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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NLXSK1 said:
Think about your typical walmart and realize how many and how complicated the jobs are. Receiving, stocking, cleanup on aisle 5, returns, security, checkout, maintenance, general cleaning, item re-stocking.

Sure, some of those jobs could be automated but the whole system could not be with our technology.

Same goes for farming jobs. You might have an automated tractor but figuring out how to fix it when it breaks wont be the job for a robot for a long time yet.
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Spoken like someone who doesn't know shit about artificial intelligence; they're already selling robot maids that do multiple tasks from personal device to housework.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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ChesusRice said:
Not in our lifetime. My opinion comes from being at the forefront of mechanization

CNC machining. I run lathes that do both turning and milling in one setup
but you are still going to need human eyes to set up, run, program and monitor the machining
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You're nothing more than a modern version of the steam engine operator. My bestie is a water jet whiz- and MOST of his job is programming.

When the machine runs, you stay the Fuck outta the way!
 
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ChesusRice

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heckler73 said:

What do you suppose the predation rate upon human labour is from Capital?
How many jobs were created with the introduction of Welding Robots?
How many were created with the introduction of CAD and higher engineering software?
How many were created by beam lines, CNC plate cutters, punches and mills?

What took a room full of engineers and draftsmen is reduced to a Polish engineer using a (not so) cheap version of Tekla Structures, transforming 50 pages of structural and architectural drawings into a neatly nested cut-list (suitable for CNC input) and a pile of part drawings (plus a 3D fly-through in real-time with stress calculations).
Five or six people can then take those drawings and make it real, with the aid of cranes, front loaders, etc.

India meanwhile churns out more engineers than people graduating from American colleges as a whole.
The white collars aren't immune from the ravages of technological usurpation!
Traders on Wall St. are an endangered species.
Do all these people suddenly find work in higher realms of the income strata?

Microsoft is laying people off... Even those who program our obsolescence are eating themselves.
Maybe I should start getting some signs ready for when I'm in the street trying to market myself:

BUY A HANDJOB, GET FREE ROCKET-ENGINEERING
only $20 a pop.​
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I start CAM training next week. Machining has only become shittier with technological advances. And it Is paying less and less
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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heckler73 said:
Watch that vid I posted. We can add another 25% of the population to the heap of "useless" in less than a generation. What are we to do with that much involuntary unemployment?
Outside of a Carrington event, this juggernaut is not going to stop.
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Even that would only slow it down, temporarily.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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heckler73 said:
Can that be avoided? If not, why?
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Dr Jared Diamond has a rather pessimistic view of how this will play out in the future. 'Collapse' is his answer to what happens after his 'Guns, Germs & Steel'.

It may be that total mechanization is the only hope for humankind going forward. Such automation, mechanization and control is already on display in nearly every aspect of space exploration and exploitation. It is there where humans will find resources once we've used up all we can reach here on Earth. Or, we perish.
 
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