Surprise! Leftist Minimum Wage Policy Backfires in Seattle Suburb

[NoDrama]

that's impossible because that would mean that the "job creators" are people with money to spend, rather than large corporations.

way to totally detail how badly i fucked up my calculation, i guess there was nothing on the internet for you to plagiarize to rebut it.

Hey buck, if you increase 1 by 120%, what will the product be?

 

[UncleBuck]

Hey buck, if you increase 1 by 120%, what will the product be?

610 - 500 = 110

 

[NoDrama]

So anyway, can any of the liberal dum dums tell me why $60 an hour would not be a good minimum wage?

By Dum Dums I mean, Bucky

 

[UncleBuck]

quick, some desperate righty needs to ask why we don't just raise the minimum wage to SUPER INFINITI!!!!!! that will resolve this straightforward debate about livable wages.

So anyway, can any of the liberal dum dums tell me why $60 an hour would not be a good minimum wage?

By Dum Dums I mean, Bucky

and there it is.

 

[heckler73]

Hey buck, if you increase 1 by 120%, what will the product be?

"millions" if he uses that magic leverage you get from your broker on bond purchases

 

[NoDrama]

and there it is.

Buck: "infinity and 60 are the same thing!!!! I were a math major who never grdeeated from a colage cuzm dint go tooz me classes, too bizy mazterbatin, hyuck, hyuck"

 

[jahbrudda]

That isn't how you would calculate that, but you have a hard enough time with arithmetic so, its like a handicap.

Another reason, besides the one about tax incentives?

Oh I dunno, how about because there is no sales tax in Oregon and 6% in Idaho, not including local?

Consumers generally will shop at the place that is guaranteed to be at least 6% cheaper on every item when there really is no difference in travel time or effort.

Does that rustle your jimmies?

Who in their right mind would walk or drive a whole 800 feet to save a guaranteed 6% on all of their purchases?

 

[Pinworm]

"millions" if he uses that magic leverage you get from your broker on bond purchases

It's all in the maths.

 

[god1]

i'm just going by your logic.

we can't raise the minimum wage because it will hurt others making slightly more than minimum wage.

so therefore the minimum wage crew has to bootstrap themselves up!

but the same standard need not apply to those making above minimum wage. they cannot be expected to bootstrap themselves up, what with their extra resources and advanced education/skillset and all.

say, who ends up working all the minimum wage jobs once the original min wage crew all bootstraps themselves up?

quick, some desperate righty needs to ask why we don't just raise the minimum wage to SUPER INFINITI!!!!!! that will resolve this straightforward debate about livable wages.

I’m not sure how you walked away with that; I don’t want to beat a dead horse but I’ll try one last time.

I’m guessing, based on your comments that part of our differences lay in how we perceive economic opportunity; you appear to subscribe to a “zero sum gain system” ... I don’t.

In short I believe people at all economic levels make decisions that ultimately decide where they will end up. I think of income in terms of a gaussian distribution. Fussing with the lower data sets just modifies the median value not the shape of the curve.

We believe in different approaches to dealing with the low income issue; it’s the “give a meal or teach the guy to fish” kind of deal.

Income inequality won’t be fixed with an infusion of cash to those at the bottom. Those in the top 5% percent have the skills and technique to compete, those at the bottom don’t. Pretty simple.

 

[Red1966]

So... we should starve the hardworking lower class, because their bosses are jerks?

The whole "then improve your skillset" argument doesn't work for those who make less than what it costs to survive. They can't afford to maintain their health well enough to both work full time and go to school full time. Min wage vs cost of living is a slow and painful death, and a life not lived. Lots of people have killed themselves over being trapped in that situation.

Uh, no.

 

[Red1966]

I think the more important question is: if individuals who DO have the wherewithal to recognize that their only available option is a dead end job or career with no opportunity to make a decent wage, etc. ... whose fault is that?

The test taker does not design the test; they merely select from the available answers. You can't fault the test taker when the maker has not allowed the best answers to be among the available selections.

What "maker" is limiting you?

 

[ginwilly]

Income inequality won’t be fixed with an infusion of cash to those at the bottom. Those in the top 5% percent have the skills and technique to compete, those at the bottom don’t. Pretty simple.

Agree with your post other than the bold word. I would replace the word have, with know. The skill set to be self-sufficient can be taught, unfortunately we chose the "give a man a fish" alternative for our "war on poverty".

 

[reasonevangelist]

Uh, no.

Uh, yes. (unless you were opposing the first line, in which case i suppose i should clarify: that was a counter, not a serious suggestion)

What "maker" is limiting you?

The maker of the "test" (the multiple choice test analogy).

All i can do is select the best or least bad choice from what's actually available, and i (the test taker) am not the one who has the privilege of deciding which options are available; the "maker" (of the "test") does that.

You could interpret "maker" as "the elite," or anyone else who has control over which options are available for others to choose, in any given scenario.

 

[UncleBuck]

I’m not sure how you walked away with that; I don’t want to beat a dead horse but I’ll try one last time.

I’m guessing, based on your comments that part of our differences lay in how we perceive economic opportunity; you appear to subscribe to a “zero sum gain system” ... I don’t.

In short I believe people at all economic levels make decisions that ultimately decide where they will end up. I think of income in terms of a gaussian distribution. Fussing with the lower data sets just modifies the median value not the shape of the curve.

We believe in different approaches to dealing with the low income issue; it’s the “give a meal or teach the guy to fish” kind of deal.

Income inequality won’t be fixed with an infusion of cash to those at the bottom. Those in the top 5% percent have the skills and technique to compete, those at the bottom don’t. Pretty simple.

so what happens when they all bootstrap themselves up?

 

[Red1966]

As soon as people start growing their own food and stop buying the Nth iPhone sequel, and then start refusing to do hard labor for less than the cost of living, things will begin to self-correct.

I don't think it's right that "hard work" does not equal good pay. The less people willing to do a job, the higher that job should pay. If you can't run your business without what amounts to slave labor (though with the option to opt-out and starve...), then maybe you should do all the work yourself?

What's that? "Too hard" you say?

Welcome to reality.

I think we'll soon see a rise in "intentional communities."

That could address the homeless problem, and various others. Working for both yourself, and those you Choose to associate with, is far better than accepting a hard and low paying job with a shitty boss, and coworkers you can't stand.

You don't really know anything at all about the world. How old are you?

 

[UncleBuck]

Agree with your post other than the bold word. I would replace the word have, with know. The skill set to be self-sufficient can be taught, unfortunately we chose the "give a man a fish" alternative for our "war on poverty".

yep, a wage so low that full time workers need to stand in line for food stamps is really "giving a man a fish".

you have it all figured out.

 

[Red1966]

Uh, yes. (unless you were opposing the first line, in which case i suppose i should clarify: that was a counter, not a serious suggestion)


The maker of the "test" (the multiple choice test analogy).

All i can do is select the best or least bad choice from what's actually available, and i (the test taker) am not the one who has the privilege of deciding which options are available; the "maker" (of the "test") does that.

You could interpret "maker" as "the elite," or anyone else who has control over which options are available for others to choose, in any given scenario.

Oh, so it's all a conspiracy to keep you down? Because someone else determines what you make of yourself? Why do I suspect you are a failure?

 

[ginwilly]

yep, a wage so low that full time workers need to stand in line for food stamps is really "giving a man a fish".

you have it all figured out.

Wanna show everyone your honesty and intelligence?

Tell us how much has been spent on the war on poverty, how wildly successful it is, how other methods wouldn't have worked better, how you know how many would be in poverty without it, how many governmental departments exist for welfare and how it's better to give out food stamps without training than food stamps with training. You could also deny that 4th generation cradle to grave welfare doesn't exist.

Seriously, why do you have a problem with teaching people marketable skills while feeding them short term and instead call for cradle to grave dependency? Your way doesn't work, but it will never change until you grasp that one simple concept.

 

[UncleBuck]

Wanna show everyone your honesty and intelligence?

Tell us how much has been spent on the war on poverty, how wildly successful it is, how other methods wouldn't have worked better, how you know how many would be in poverty without it, how many governmental departments exist for welfare and how it's better to give out food stamps without training than food stamps with training. You could also deny that 4th generation cradle to grave welfare doesn't exist.

Seriously, why do you have a problem with teaching people marketable skills while feeding them short term and instead call for cradle to grave dependency? Your way doesn't work, but it will never change until you grasp that one simple concept.

food stamps do come with training and access to many tools to increase your marketability, and if the war on poverty were to end tonight, the poverty rate would double tomorrow.

about 15 million more americans would find themselves in poverty tomorrow if we ended the program tonight.

paying a livable wage to full time workers is not cradle to grave dependency.

you are dumb and racist.

 

[reasonevangelist]

You don't really know anything at all about the world. How old are you?

Judging by your username, i reckon you were born in 1966, which makes you old enough to have a head full of lies and misconceptions about the world of today.

You didn't grow up where i did, when i did, and you seem to think things are still "like in the old days," which they aren't, and haven't been for quite some time.

Oh, so it's all a conspiracy to keep you down? Because someone else determines what you make of yourself? Why do I suspect you are a failure?

Not "me," as many of us as possible. It would be ridiculous for me to interpret the facts as a conspiracy to keep "me" down, as if i could ever be so important...
the only reason i can think of for why you'd default to that assumption, is that you've never experienced the parts of reality involving being unable to control other people's decisions. In other words: privileged, and unaware that quite a lot of people get fucked over by the system (which is made of other people), through no fault of their own, due to those people in those systems making choices i can't control, creating conditions i can't escape, and removing choices that would/may otherwise be available.

No one else determines what i choose, but neither do i determine what others choose, and lots of those others do indeed make choices which take away the potential for me to choose what i would, if not for interference and intervention from others.

You seem to think everyone can just "make life whatever they want it to be" without any obstruction at all.

How ridiculous.