It is NOT nute burn

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churchhaze

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Stop calling everything nute burn.

Please, feed your plants!

When you actually have nute burn, your leaves will become hard, brittle, and/or glossy, not droopy with low turgidity. It doesn't matter how old the plant is.

Even if it's a seedling, it's still not nute burn. Make sure the plant has a good amount of nutrients from day 1.
 
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2Hearts

2Hearts

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I grow in seedling soil and if i add nutes in the first three weeks i get instant nute burn. Soil in the uk is pretty hot to start with and feeds just fine with nothing added.
 
tekdc911

tekdc911

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churchhaze said:
Stop calling everything nute burn.

Please, feed your plants!

When you actually have nute burn, your leaves will become hard, brittle, and/or glossy, not droopy with low turgidity. It doesn't matter how old the plant is.

Even if it's a seedling, it's still not nute burn. Make sure the plant has a good amount of nutrients from day 1.
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churchhaze

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The reason I sound like I have an attitude on this subject is because nobody ever listens when they have underfed plants.

It's very frustrating watching a bunch of noobs constantly giving out bad advice that conflicts with what I know is right from over 15 years of experience growing pot.

If you want to call that pretentious, fine. If you have any common sense, you'll make sure your droopy plants are well fed.
 
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churchhaze

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Here is a typical scenario in the help section.

A new grower will show up with a seedling that is growing slowly, has discoloration, and necrotic leaf margins. He tells everyone he's in DWC with a ppm of 200ppm.

The new grower is then told he has nute burn, and that he should flush, use RO water, add sterilizing agents, "beneficial bacteria", colder water, lower water level, etc.

The underlying issue is the low ppm, and the problems will persist until it's raised.

The slow growth could have been avoided entirely had the new grower simply started at a higher nutrient concentration, say 1.2-1.4EC, but because of bad advice given out on RIU, they ended up in the help section wondering why their plant isn't doing well.
 
2Hearts

2Hearts

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Obviously 200ppm is barely above what good tap water offers. In soil the starting ppm is often way too high and the problems you describe would be overferting. This is common knowledge and there really is no argument here.
 
Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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churchhaze said:
Here is a typical scenario in the help section.

A new grower will show up with a seedling that is growing slowly, has discoloration, and necrotic leaf margins. He tells everyone he's in DWC with a ppm of 200ppm.

The new grower is then told he has nute burn, and that he should flush, use RO water, add sterilizing agents, "beneficial bacteria", colder water, lower water level, etc.

The underlying issue is the low ppm, and the problems will persist until it's raised.

The slow growth could have been avoided entirely had the new grower simply started at a higher nutrient concentration, say 1.2-1.4EC, but because of bad advice given out on RIU, they ended up in the help section wondering why their plant isn't doing well.
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See, if you had started this thread saying you were talking about DWC growers not using their head that's fine, but your blanket statement applies to far more scenarios than your very specific example, and if people growing in soil take your advice they will kill their plants, no one in soil is underfeeding their seedlings unless they are using dirt from their gravel driveway.
 
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churchhaze

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When growing in soil, the soil is supposed to be built rich enough in nutrients to last the entire grow. There's no need to overfeed. In that case, the seedlings are well nourished like they should be.

This isn't common knowledge though. If it was, you wouldn't see so many threads with undernourished plants, especially in hydroponic mediums. At least half of the "help" threads are due to underfeeding or no feeding.

2Hearts said:
Obviously 200ppm is barely above what good tap water offers. In soil the starting ppm is often way too high and the problems you describe would be overferting. This is common knowledge and there really is no argument here.
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churchhaze

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My statement was meant to be a blanket statement. I'm not saying to overfeed your plants, you're just painting a straw man argument. I said not to underfeed them!

A properly made soil is feeding your plants.


Ace Yonder said:
See, if you had started this thread saying you were talking about DWC growers not using their head that's fine, but your blanket statement applies to far more scenarios than your very specific example, and if people growing in soil take your advice they will kill their plants, no one in soil is underfeeding their seedlings unless they are using dirt from their gravel driveway.
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Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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churchhaze said:
My statement was meant to be a blanket statement. I'm not saying to overfeed your plants, you're just painting a straw man argument. I said not to underfeed them!

A properly made soil is feeding your plants.
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Your statement pretty much said "No matter what the problem is, it's probably not nute burn, feed your plants more". As stated, soil usually has enough, or more than enough, nutes for most, maybe all, of veg, and in the case of super soil, flower too. If you feed more nutes to a seedling in soil, you may very well kill the seedling. You may have meant one thing with your statement, but if that is the case then it does not read the way you intended.
 
2Hearts

2Hearts

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I see no difference dwc coco soil aero as the overall ppm levels are the same for all mediums. Off top of my head 400-600ppm seedling early veg, more if your strain allows or your confident enough.

End of day plants absorb nutes in same amount reguardless of medium, some mediums allow the plant to grow faster and better allowing more but difference is more plant size.

I know general info on all mediums but coco is most popular here, soils just for the purist pros (joke).

Riu sucks for reference or help, when.i read a journal i flip to the end to check the end product was grown well before commiting to the rest so i can find out what went right as most make the same mistakes ...just my opinion.
 
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