Should the US support Israel forever ?
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earnest_voice
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If we get you raging enough you start telling us about slaps across the head and dark mind influence...
The crap you come up with is laughable.
Jimdamick
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You admit that you are a Zionist, so all I'm doing is calling a spade a spade, as the saying goes. Why do you then say I am a name caller? You sir, in contrast have called me a racist anti Semite numerous times. Now that is name calling. Also, being an American citizen doesn't mean shit as far as I'm concerned, considering our standing in the world as to quality of life or education. As a matter of fact, we are pretty fucking dumb in comparison to most developed countries. As far as your grasp of history in the Palestinian/ Israeli conflict, it is so biased as to make it useless, bordering on sad actually. Read what the rest of the world thinks about Israel, it will give you a better understanding why Israel is becoming a pariah. Oh, and going back to name calling, if I understand you correctly, most everyone in this forum that doesn't agree with you, can't think. Now, that's not a nice thing to say.
Doer
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I am quite capable of not being nice
I'll be a Zionist in spirit and proud of it
You can simply get the hell out if that is how you feel.
America backs Israel
Go fight for ISIL. Go GIT from here
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being an American citizen doesn't mean shit as far as I'm concerned, considering our standing in the world as to quality of life or education.
I'll be a Zionist in spirit and proud of it
You can simply get the hell out if that is how you feel.
America backs Israel
Go fight for ISIL. Go GIT from here
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being an American citizen doesn't mean shit as far as I'm concerned, considering our standing in the world as to quality of life or education.
Jimdamick
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The meaning of my whole statement was that in comparison to other countries, we are not the greatest country in the world anymore, That used to be the case, but I believe it is not true any longer, such as in areas like math and the sciences. Also the economic disparities that grow worse each and every year, have decimated the middle class, the backbone of this country. I am part of the middle class, and It is not what it used to be. Nevertheless,I would fight for it any case, as it is my country and does provide many freedoms not found in many other countries, such as freedom of speech.
Doer
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Hey, I don't need to belong the greatest country in the world, I just happen to, by luck.
That self appointed and self conceived greatness is not necessary to make me a true blue, thick and thin, tax paying, Citizen American Patriot for Zion.
And when I was a young fire breather, sign toting, march around guy, I was never so sanguine as to blame the Jews for all the warring there. I blamed the PLO and the dumb Dems, for supporting them against Israel.
I was never so out of touch as to be against the USA.
That self appointed and self conceived greatness is not necessary to make me a true blue, thick and thin, tax paying, Citizen American Patriot for Zion.
And when I was a young fire breather, sign toting, march around guy, I was never so sanguine as to blame the Jews for all the warring there. I blamed the PLO and the dumb Dems, for supporting them against Israel.
I was never so out of touch as to be against the USA.
ChesusRice
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We are the greatest country in the world
Zionists Suck
Zionists Suck
Jimdamick
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Well, I do blame Israel for most of the violence in the West Bank and Gaza, and in most of Middle East for that matter.. It is my opinion that if Israel had returned the land taken in 1967, as mandated by the UN and the Geneva Convention, the world would be a very different world today, and for the better. Israel's security would have to have been maintained of course, but militarily they have always been vastly superior to any of their neighbors as a result of the USA' unequivocal support. The Israelis would have taken off the table an argument made by terrorists ever since. that all the Jew wants is all the land they can take by force. By their actions though, primarily in their treatment of the Palestinians, all they did was to help create the situations we have found ourselves in ever since. In bin Laden's "Letter to America", one of the main reasons he gave justifying the attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon was America's support of Israel, and the plight of the Palestinian people As a matter of fact, almost the entire letter mentions the abuses suffered by the Palestinians at the hands of Israel and the US by proxy.That is what he thought and said and acted on, and that cannot be disputed. So, in essence, the largest terrorist attack in history was a result of Israel's actions against the Palestinians, and the USA's support of those actions. Zionism has caused a lot of problems, not only in Israel and the occupied territories, the but around the entire world. That also cannot be disputed, but it seem Israel doesn't give a fuck.
UncleBuck
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so let me see if i have this right:
9/11 was caused by israel and the USA, not by terrorists flying planes into buildings, and we should base our foreign policy off of what bin laden and the people you identify as terrorists say we should do?
did i get that about right?
ChesusRice
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Israel was a flashpoint and rallying cry for 9/11
Terrorists are at fault for the execution. But Israel had a role
Jimdamick
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I am just quoting was bin Laden wrote in his " Letter to America" after 9/11, explaining his reasons. There was more than one reason, but seemingly Palestine was a main reason. When people feel they are unjustly treated they usually have a reason. In the Palestinian situation, most of the world sides with Palestine as far as the need for a homeland. In that respect, maybe the US and Israel can adjust their policies, simply to be more of a part of the world community. The Palestinian problem is not going to go away unless Israel stops building settlements anywhere they choose, and at any time they choose. I just think our policies toward Israel, which ignores us too by the way, is causing way too much friction in the world. We can also say go fuck yourself to the world , as Israel does,but that is not a good way to create friends in my opinion, and just might be counterproductive. But who needs friends, and why would we adjust our policies for them. We still have our best buddy, Israel.
UncleBuck
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so israel's existence caused 9/11?
i'm thinking it's more like anger about israel's very existence caused 9/11.
which just goes to show us how intractable and untenable the thought of anti-zionism is.
UncleBuck
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i'm not gonna base my policy positions on what bin laden thinks is right.
earnest_voice
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Mossad had prior knowledge. Don't know why they filmed it rather then going to the airports and intercepting the hijackers at their departure destinations, IF, they thought the US would not act on the information provided.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/46173840/Dancing-Israelis-Police-Report
http://www.scribd.com/doc/62394063/Dancing-Israelis-FBI-document-Section-3-1138796-001-303A-NK-105536-Section-3-944880
UncleBuck
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weren't you also in on the plot to get bin laden, armchair patton?
earnest_voice
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That answer is becoming tiresome, particularly because it's just another way for you to say "i don't know what i'm talking about and have nothing factual to add to the discussion".
Everyone isn't as docile as you tricky dicky...
earnest_voice
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ElfoodStampo
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The spikes in put options occurred on days that were uneventful for the airlines and their stock prices.
On Sept. 6-7, when there was no significant news or stock price movement involving United, the Chicago exchange handled 4,744 put options for UAL stock, compared with just 396 call options -- essentially bets that the price will rise. On Sept. 10, an uneventful day for American, the volume was 748 calls and 4,516 puts, based on a check of option trading records. 5
The Bloomberg News reported that put options on the airlines surged to the phenomenal high of 285 times their average.
Over three days before terrorists flattened the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon, there was more than 25 times the previous daily average trading in a Morgan Stanley "put" option that makes money when shares fall below $45. Trading in similar AMR and UAL put options, which make money when their stocks fall below $30 apiece, surged to as much as 285 times the average trading up to that time. 6
When the market reopened after the attack, United Airlines stock fell 42 percent from $30.82 to $17.50 per share, and American Airlines stock fell 39 percent, from $29.70 to $18.00 per share. 7
On Sept. 6-7, when there was no significant news or stock price movement involving United, the Chicago exchange handled 4,744 put options for UAL stock, compared with just 396 call options -- essentially bets that the price will rise. On Sept. 10, an uneventful day for American, the volume was 748 calls and 4,516 puts, based on a check of option trading records. 5
The Bloomberg News reported that put options on the airlines surged to the phenomenal high of 285 times their average.
Over three days before terrorists flattened the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon, there was more than 25 times the previous daily average trading in a Morgan Stanley "put" option that makes money when shares fall below $45. Trading in similar AMR and UAL put options, which make money when their stocks fall below $30 apiece, surged to as much as 285 times the average trading up to that time. 6
When the market reopened after the attack, United Airlines stock fell 42 percent from $30.82 to $17.50 per share, and American Airlines stock fell 39 percent, from $29.70 to $18.00 per share. 7