Why do people buy the idea that enemies can be bombed into submission?

[Padawanbater2]

No, you said so. Religion is not a race. So, screaming "Racist" is just idiotic and dishonest, but typical of you. All Muslims follow Mohammad. Mohammad preached terrorism. Christianity didn't spawn the KKK. Let's see, do Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin (all atheists) ring a bell? You know nothing of history, and then pretend your ignorance of it supports you.

You just said "If they're Muslims, they aren't innocent." HUUUUUUURRRRR DUUUUUUUR dipshit, Muslims make up dozens of races, and you just so happen to be racist against all of them. Proof; what Muslim do you like?

None.

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18 )

Hitler was a devout Catholic;

And Stalin and Pot purged religion for the sole reason it was in direct competition of power.

Read a fucking history book you ignorant fool.

 

[althor]

^All of that is true and the Old Testament is very violent.
One difference is that nowhere does the bible say to kill someone for being an unbeliever.
While the bible certainly doesn't denounce slavery I do believe that quote is meant that they will not be held accountable for sins that are forced upon them, and save themselves a beating. I am not religious so I could be dead wrong.

 

[Padawanbater2]

One difference is that nowhere does the bible say to kill someone for being an unbeliever.

I think a legitimate argument could be raised that the Bible is worse, in that it promotes eternal torment/punishment for unbelievers and blasphemers, which, imo, is far worse than any mortal death anyone could experience

 

[Red1966]

I'm personally against wars, I'm appalled at the thought of "the bomb" like we dropped in Japan.

Try as I may though, I can't dispute this other than to say the war was most likely over anyway. Most likely does not dispute your strong point.

So admitting you are most likely right, I would say we either annihilate, or stay out of it. Our occupy for decades strategy sucks.

Conventional bombing in Tokyo killed more than either of the atomic bombs. The conventional bombing of Dresden alone killed more than both atomic bombs together. The war was projected to cost 250,000 to 500,000 additional American deaths when we dropped the atomic bombs. Those bombs took less than 200,000 Japanese lives. Just the numbers, even if you place no more value on American lives than the enemy's, justify their use.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Conventional bombing in Tokyo killed more than either of the atomic bombs. The conventional bombing of Dresden alone killed more than both atomic bombs together. The war was projected to cost 250,000 to 500,000 additional American deaths when we dropped the atomic bombs. Those bombs took less than 200,000 Japanese lives. Just the numbers, even if you place no more value on American lives than the enemy's, justify their use.

Projections don't equal reality. Nothing justifies murdering innocent civilians.

 

[Red1966]

I think a legitimate argument could be raised that the Bible is worse, in that it promotes eternal torment/punishment for unbelievers and blasphemers, which, imo, is far worse than any mortal death anyone could experience

Uh, no, it doesn't. Quote where it says we are to eternally torment anyone. That is not even possible. "Unbelieving" is not even a sin.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Uh, no, it doesn't. Quote where it says we are to eternally torment anyone. That is not even possible. "Unbelieving" is not even a sin.

Rofl, you are a fucking idiot who's never read the Bible. I'll quote it when I get back, stay tuned old man...

 

[Red1966]

Projections don't equal reality. Nothing justifies murdering innocent civilians.

Civilians supporting the military are not innocent. They are legitimate targets. You yourself said Muslims were future terrorists, them proclaim them innocent. You contradict your own arguments. I'll leave it to you to demolish your own claims. Did you get your training from Schuylaar?

 

[althor]

As far as the original question....
If we were going to bomb someone into submission it would help if instead of bombing the single toyota in the middle of the desert, try bombing something more like what we see in these pictures.
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/islamic-state-extremists-1410172012-slideshow/

In the 11th picture there are literally 100s of ISIS lined up in the street with no civilians. Further in, you see a convoy of ISIS.

 

[Red1966]

You just said "If they're Muslims, they aren't innocent." HUUUUUUURRRRR DUUUUUUUR dipshit, Muslims make up dozens of races, and you just so happen to be racist against all of them. Proof; what Muslim do you like?

None.

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18 )

Hitler was a devout Catholic;

And Stalin and Pot purged religion for the sole reason it was in direct competition of power.

Read a fucking history book you ignorant fool.

"Muslims make up dozens of races, and you just so happen to be racist against all of them. Proof; what Muslim do you like? " Muslims make up ALL races, so I would have to be racist against myself. If one treats all races equally, then, by definition., one is NOT racist
So where is the "eternal" you spoke of? And yet Stalin and Pol Pot were still atheists. You didn't prove either of your points, and confirmed one of mine. So who's ignorant.?

 

[Red1966]

I am going to go now, but I'll let Pada continue proving himself wrong in my place.

 

[ChesusRice]

Want the truth about ISIS

As soon as they start getting their asses kicked they will blend back into their former civilian life.
They have no home country because they come from thru out the region and the world to get their 72 virgins.
Bomb the shit out of every ISIS group you can, take away their supply routes and let the local anti ISIS forces take care of them as they see fit without the press to witness.

 

[Doer]

You kill a terrorist who already has a family dingbat.

His family goes on to become radicalized. So what you really did was create more terrorists by killing one.

You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist in America, so it's safe to say there won't be any beaheadings in America any time soon.

This country is way too safe for people like you to make it into old age, for fucks sake.. In earlier times, you would have been eaten by a predator a long time ago.

Too late for this kind of thinking.

 

[Padawanbater2]

"Muslims make up dozens of races, and you just so happen to be racist against all of them. Proof; what Muslim do you like? " Muslims make up ALL races, so I would have to be racist against myself. If one treats all races equally, then, by definition., one is NOT racist
So where is the "eternal" you spoke of? And yet Stalin and Pol Pot were still atheists. You didn't prove either of your points, and confirmed one of mine. So who's ignorant.?

You want to murder innocent civilians - women and children

Enough said.

 

[charface]

Padawan your avatar stirs discontent in me.
why?

 

[Red1966]

You want to murder innocent civilians - women and children

Enough said.

No, I want to kill those who would and have murdered innocent women and children. You want to appease them. It is clear from your avatar and your statements you support the terrorists. And you would kill also, if you weren't such a pussy.

 

[Rob Roy]

Civilians supporting the military are not innocent. They are legitimate targets. You yourself said Muslims were future terrorists, them proclaim them innocent. You contradict your own arguments. I'll leave it to you to demolish your own claims. Did you get your training from Schuylaar?

I'm curious what you think murder is and isn't....

 

[Red1966]

I'm curious what you think murder is and isn't....

Killing those who would kill you certainly isn't. Pada is the one who proclaimed relatives as "future terrorists", not me. He is the one who would make them targets. You fall into his trap of blaming me for his statements. Pada has shown himself to be a terrorist supporter in this thread and many others. Don't be prey to his constant stream of anti-Jew, American, and Christian rhetoric.

 

[Doer]

You want to murder innocent civilians - women and children

Enough said.

You would let Jihad loose in America.

 

[Red1966]

Padawan your avatar stirs discontent in me.
why?

A grown man wearing his mother's used underwear on his head stirs discontent among everyone.