Why do people buy the idea that enemies can be bombed into submission?

[jahbrudda]

Rofl, you are a fucking idiot who's never read the Bible. I'll quote it when I get back, stay tuned old man...

You back yet?

 

[Red1966]

He couldn't find a Christian Bible. All he has is Korans

 

[ginwilly]

I still don't understand why we can't just sell our bombs to the countries fighting IS. It's not like they don't have some oil or something to bargain with. This fight should not be paid for by US citizens.

 

[earnest_voice]

I still don't understand why we can't just sell our bombs to the countries fighting IS. It's not like they don't have some oil or something to bargain with. This fight should not be paid for by US citizens.

You already do, except those sunni gulf states won't use them against other sunnis, only shias. Half the problem with the iraqi army, the sunnis don't want to fight sunnis and the shias don't want to fight the shias.

At the same time, we simply cannot trust countries like Saudi Arabia and other gulf coast states to actually conduct offensive operations properly or with any real intent. This is why boots on the ground will be required and the announcement will come shortly.

 

[ginwilly]

You may be right Earnest, but we won't announce boots on the ground (who thinks they are not already there, raise your hand) until we can get that action favorable in the polls. If we can get the media stirred up showing graphic pics and telling stories, it should be by the end of the month.

 

[NoDrama]

If we can get the media stirred up showing graphic pics and telling stories, it should be by the end of the month.

 

[Harrekin]

I think America should be responsible and clean up the mess they made in Iraq/Syria;

1. Stop arming the Syrian Rebels, there have been numerous reports of defections to IS and of FSA soldiers simply handing their spanky new Yank bought toys over to IS.

2. Monitor the oil drilling and refinery sites controlled by IS and drone the shit out of any tankers leaving to cut their funding.

3. Send in some special forces with .50cal sniper rifles and cut off some of the snake's many heads.

4. Stop trading high level terrorists for defectors, notice how IS became the powerhouse it is now only since Berghdal's prisoner trade?


You idiots made the mess, clean it the fuck up.

 

[Rob Roy]

Killing those who would kill you certainly isn't. Pada is the one who proclaimed relatives as "future terrorists", not me. He is the one who would make them targets. You fall into his trap of blaming me for his statements. Pada has shown himself to be a terrorist supporter in this thread and many others. Don't be prey to his constant stream of anti-Jew, American, and Christian rhetoric.

I appreciate your response, but find it a bit non responsive to the question I asked. I asked what murder is and isn't. You answered what it isn't, but not what it is.

I understand you and Pada are having a debate / disagreement but I'm not falling into his trap as you suggested I might be. I tend to be influenced by ideas that are consistent., rather than whether I favor the person posing the idea or not.

I think murder is an extreme offensive act and don't believe that "collateral damage" is an appropriate excuse or word to use when murder is the thing that actually occurred. All nation states murder (innocent) individuals when they go to war. The blame gets spread or renamed is my point and people fall for it. I find it one of humanities flaws to be duped into allowing "leaders" to rename certain acts so they become more acceptable that's all. I was curious if you do too.

 

[Red1966]

I appreciate your response, but find it a bit non responsive to the question I asked. I asked what murder is and isn't. You answered what it isn't, but not what it is.

I understand you and Pada are having a debate / disagreement but I'm not falling into his trap as you suggested I might be. I tend to be influenced by ideas that are consistent., rather than whether I favor the person posing the idea or not.

I think murder is an extreme offensive act and don't believe that "collateral damage" is an appropriate excuse or word to use when murder is the thing that actually occurred. All nation states murder (innocent) individuals when they go to war. The blame gets spread or renamed is my point and people fall for it. I find it one of humanities flaws to be duped into allowing "leaders" to rename certain acts so they become more acceptable that's all. I was curious if you do too.

Sadly, it is not possible to engage in modern warfare without collateral damage. The only alternative is accepting defeat. Then we die. So, the choice is: them or us. I choose them. Does that make me evil? I think not.

 

[Rob Roy]

Sadly, it is not possible to engage in modern warfare without collateral damage. The only alternative is accepting defeat. Then we die. So, the choice is: them or us. I choose them. Does that make me evil? I think not.

Almost. However looking for the lost car keys in the living room inside the house where there is more light will never solve the problem if the keys were actually lost in the drive way outside.

Modern warfare IS mass murder. It is a by product of the Nation state. The alternative many will not discuss is to end the nation state.

Cognitive dissonance and false assumptions weigh heavy on humanity. When these falsely held mindsets are shed by more people, murders will be greatly reduced.

The choice is to continue to allow some people to commit other people to death and to allow it to be called what it isn't or to stop supporting it.

It starts with the individual mindset, not the collective mindset. Peace.

 

[Johnny Retro]

I think America should be responsible and clean up the mess they made in Iraq/Syria;

1. Stop arming the Syrian Rebels, there have been numerous reports of defections to IS and of FSA soldiers simply handing their spanky new Yank bought toys over to IS.

2. Monitor the oil drilling and refinery sites controlled by IS and drone the shit out of any tankers leaving to cut their funding.

3. Send in some special forces with .50cal sniper rifles and cut off some of the snake's many heads.

4. Stop trading high level terrorists for defectors, notice how IS became the powerhouse it is now only since Berghdal's prisoner trade?


You idiots made the mess, clean it the fuck up.

Must be easy to say that from a country that provides nothing to the international community.

 

[Red1966]

Are you promoting a one world government or total anarchy? Isn't that worse than a collection of nation states? You don't seem to have a handle on history or human nature.Your solution to the missing keys is to just sit in the car and "will" it to start.

 

[Rob Roy]

Must be easy to say that from a country that provides nothing to the international community.

What exactly is an "international community" ? Who decides if you as an individual are part of that, you or does somebody else do it for you ?

I propose viewing community with others differently than "internationally", abandon imaginary geo-political lines and instead identify with others by similarity of mindset with those other individuals.

For instance I feel very communal with those that want to live in peace, rather than people that don't.

Besides the Irish provide much, haven't you ever had green beer?

 

[Harrekin]

Sadly, it is not possible to engage in modern warfare without collateral damage. The only alternative is accepting defeat. Then we die. So, the choice is: them or us. I choose them. Does that make me evil? I think not.

Even the Iraqi people want US intervention this time, you created the power vacuum and armed the terrorists...

 

[Johnny Retro]

What exactly is an "international community" ? Who decides if you as an individual are part of that, you or does somebody else do it for you ?

I propose viewing community with others differently than "internationally", abandon imaginary geo-political lines and instead identify with others by similarity of mindset with those other individuals.

For instance I feel very communal with those that want to live in peace, rather than people that don't.

Besides the Irish provide much, haven't you ever had green beer?

This isn't the philosophy section

 

[Rob Roy]

Are you promoting a one world government or total anarchy? Isn't that worse than a collection of nation states? You don't seem to have a handle on history or human nature.Your solution to the missing keys is to just sit in the car and "will" it to start.

A one world government seems pretty authoritarian, so I reject that. I am proposing freedom of the peaceful individual, which is impossible with coercive government as the norm.

My solution is to proliferate ideas that individual freedom is the only kind. I am well aware of human nature and history, that is precisely why I think systems that are based on the application of force to all within a given area are doomed to fail. They are structurally unsound. They always fail to provide the peaceful individual real freedom, history has proven that.

My solution to the missing keys is to put the old girl at the top of the hill, push in the clutch and let her roll. Generally I'm waving my hat, shouting giddyup and lighting a big fat joint at the same time, wood chips flying from my flowing Santa like beard.

You seem like a pretty smart guy, consider reading The Market For Liberty by Morris and Linda Tannehille. While there may be a few things here and there I disagree with in that book, it explains how a society might function absent a central authoritarian ruling class.

 

[Red1966]

Even the Iraqi people want US intervention this time, you created the power vacuum and armed the terrorists...

"We" didn't create the power vacuum. That baby is Obama's and his libtard cheering section's alone. The cowardly Iraqi army armed the terrorists. I predict that it will be Iran that halts ISIS. At least in Iraq.

 

[Rob Roy]

This isn't the philosophy section

Politics is about human nature and is intermingled with philosophy. IF a person has a core philosophy it will often guide their politics.

If a person doesn't have a consistent core philosophy, they will probably be elected.

Have a great day.

 

[Red1966]

A one world government seems pretty authoritarian, so I reject that. I am proposing freedom of the peaceful individual, which is impossible with coercive government as the norm.

My solution is to proliferate ideas that individual freedom is the only kind. I am well aware of human nature and history, that is precisely why I think systems that are based on the application of force to all within a given area are doomed to fail. They are structurally unsound. They always fail to provide the peaceful individual real freedom, history has proven that.

My solution to the missing keys is to put the old girl at the top of the hill, push in the clutch and let her roll. Generally I'm waving my hat, shouting giddyup and lighting a big fat joint at the same time, wood chips flying from my flowing Santa like beard.

You seem like a pretty smart guy, consider reading The Market For Liberty by Morris and Linda Tannehille. While there may be a few things here and there I disagree with in that book, it explains how a society might function absent a central authoritarian ruling class.

Somalia is a living example of how a society might function absent a central authoritarian ruling class. How are you going to get the old girl to the top of the hill? So what happens when you run out of hill?

 

[reapersfamiliar]

Sadly, it is not possible to engage in modern warfare without collateral damage. The only alternative is accepting defeat. Then we die. So, the choice is: them or us. I choose them. Does that make me evil? I think not.

You are evil and I will break you in half like a little boy.