Who here supported this piece of #$%^

[AlecTheGardener]

People on this board are delusional, I think this piece of shit should be shot in the back of the head and move along.

You have not read some of the cables and viewed some of the footage Chelsea was pivotal in exposing. The less then human attitude that was taken in many cases exposes the darker side of the U.S. actions during a specific period and in a few provinces.

She also violated her secret clearance agreements, this was in the spirit of transparency and America in general.

Executing someone for exposing command cleared executions, maybe not the best line of logic.

 

[ChesusRice]

The killing of journalists for the political benefit of the puppet gov't.

Oh you mean the journalists in the group of jihadis with the RPG?

 

[AlecTheGardener]

Oh you mean the journalists in the group of jihadis with the RPG?

That was a camera?

 

[AlecTheGardener]

Zero verification of only combatant targets in vehicle, disabled 'fighters' who didn't recover their equipment are then loaded onto a bongo. The gunner actively requests permission to fire in between dehumanizing his targets with his speech.

Mounted and foot patrol elements were well away from any possible 'ambush' that could have been setup in that area. The helicopter engaged a group of men one of them with equipment they misidentified as an RPG or AK type.

Then fired and obliterated the bongo carrying at least one wounded and multiple other men who held nothing but the wounded man in their hands.

The command had no control over its gunner in that chopper, instead it used a spot judgement that killed further innocent civilians.

War is hell, snap judgements are tough, no blame may lay with anyone in particular.

I am glad the dehumanization aspect was exposed.

 

[NoDrama]

War is hell, and when you have a war against an idea and not an actual enemy, you will always have war.

 

[ChesusRice]

Zero verification of only combatant targets in vehicle, disabled 'fighters' who didn't recover their equipment are then loaded onto a bongo. The gunner actively requests permission to fire in between dehumanizing his targets with his speech.

Mounted and foot patrol elements were well away from any possible 'ambush' that could have been setup in that area. The helicopter engaged a group of men one of them with equipment they misidentified as an RPG or AK type.

Then fired and obliterated the bongo carrying at least one wounded and multiple other men who held nothing but the wounded man in their hands.

The command had no control over its gunner in that chopper, instead it used a spot judgement that killed further innocent civilians.

War is hell, snap judgements are tough, no blame may lay with anyone in particular.

I am glad the dehumanization aspect was exposed.

Oh the guys with the AKs and the RPGs were civilians?

 

[vostok]

On the same thread! ...Edward Snowden wins Sweden's 'alternative Nobel prize

Fugitive US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden is one of the winners of the 2014 Right Livelihood Award, described as Sweden's "alternative Nobel prize".
He splits the honorary award with Alan Rusbridger, editor of UK newspaper The Guardian, which wrote extensively on government surveillance, based on his leaks.
Cash prizes went to three activists from Pakistan, Sri Lanka and the US.
Mr Snowden's award seems to have caused embarrassment in Sweden.

It was due to be announced on Thursday, at the Swedish foreign ministry in Stockholm, but this year the organisers were denied access and news of the laureates was leaked a day early to Swedish public broadcaster SVT.
'Courage and skill'
The 2014 prize was awarded to Mr Snowden for "his courage and skill in revealing the unprecedented extent of state surveillance violating basic democratic processes and constitutional rights".

here: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29347715

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[Padawanbater2]

Who here supported this piece of #$%^

You're unbelievably short sighted. Manning is the entire reason we know about all the shit that happens at the NSA and is a big part of exposing war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The main reason you seem to be upset has more to do with her own choices rather than what she actually did which says a lot more about you than it does about her..

 

[earnest_voice]

You're unbelievably short sighted. Manning is the entire reason we know about all the shit that happens at the NSA and is a big part of exposing war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The main reason you seem to be upset has more to do with her own choices rather than what she actually did which says a lot more about you than it does about her..

I wasn't aware Manning leaked NSA documents nor that he had access to NSANET, while in the army.

Why the mix up between snowden and manning?

 

[Padawanbater2]

I wasn't aware Manning leaked NSA documents nor that he had access to NSANET, while in the army.

Why the mix up between snowden and manning?

"Assigned in 2009 to an Army unit in Iraq as an intelligence analyst, Manning had access to classified databases. In early 2010, she leaked classified information to WikiLeaks and confided this to Adrian Lamo, an online acquaintance. Lamo informed Army Counterintelligence, and Manning was arrested in May that same year. The material included videos of the July 12, 2007 Baghdad airstrike, and the 2009 Granai airstrike in Afghanistan; 250,000 U.S. diplomatic cables; and 500,000 Army reports that came to be known as the Iraq War logs and Afghan War logs. Much of the material was published by WikiLeaks or its media partners between April and November 2010."

 

[BarnBuster]

“Treason. This, when real, merits the highest punishment. But most codes extend their definition of treason to acts not really against one’s country. They do not distinguish between acts against the government and acts against the oppressions of the government; the latter are virtues; yet they have furnished more victims to the executioner than the former; because real treasons are rare; oppressions frequent. The unsuccessful strugglers against tyranny, have been the chief martyrs of treason laws in all countries.”

Thomas Jefferson —Heads of consideration on the establishment of extradition treaties, 22 March 1792

 

[NoDrama]

“one of the most significant oversight efforts in the history of the United States Senate.”

 

[earnest_voice]

"Assigned in 2009 to an Army unit in Iraq as an intelligence analyst, Manning had access to classified databases. In early 2010, she leaked classified information to WikiLeaks and confided this to Adrian Lamo, an online acquaintance. Lamo informed Army Counterintelligence, and Manning was arrested in May that same year. The material included videos of the July 12, 2007 Baghdad airstrike, and the 2009 Granai airstrike in Afghanistan; 250,000 U.S. diplomatic cables; and 500,000 Army reports that came to be known as the Iraq War logs and Afghan War logs. Much of the material was published by WikiLeaks or its media partners between April and November 2010."

I'm not seeing any references to NSA documents and/or databases.

I still do not see how Manning is the entire reason we know about all the shit that happens at the NSA.

Manning has nothing to do with what we know about the NSA as his disclosures via wikileaks did not touch upon the issues of global surveillance, specifically the depth and breadth of signals collection programs and the data mining thereof.

 

[NoDrama]

meh, manning was the first to show us that our government lies about every thing, Snowden showed us that our government spies on us, and then lies about it, one just confirms the other.

Even though we have all this evidence that the Government lies to us all the time, the masses still believe everything the government says.

It seems like the masses are so easily misled.

 

[jahbrudda]

meh, manning was the first to show us that our government lies about every thing, Snowden showed us that our government spies on us, and then lies about it, o\.

I though the first was Richard Nixon?

 

[NoDrama]

I though the first was Richard Nixon?

Damn good call.

 

[earnest_voice]

It's strange though with all the talk of disclosures, Thomas Drake doesn't even get a mention. He kicked off the disclosure train in regards to the US outwardly focused signals intelligence capability being turned inwards.

 

[NoDrama]

It's strange though with all the talk of disclosures, Thomas Drake doesn't even get a mention. He kicked off the disclosure train in regards to the US outwardly focused signals intelligence capability being turned inwards.

Drake has become an activist against the surveillance state, frequently giving interviews and speaking at events such as Restore the Fourth. One of the themes of his speeches and interviews is a "privacy exercise" as follows "Put your entire life in a box, your documents, bank accounts, your passwords, everything -- and give it to a complete stranger -- a fellow American for safekeeping. Would you do it?" he states that he has yet to encounter a "yes."

But that is pretty much what we do everyday when it comes to the authorities.

 

[BarnBuster]

Samuel Shaw was a Revolutionary War naval officer who, along with Richard Marven, were the first whistleblowers of the infant United States. As a whistleblower, Shaw was instrumental in the Continental Congress' passage of the first whistleblower protection law in the United States. Shaw, a midshipman, and Marven, a third lieutenant in the Continental Navy, were moved to act after witnessing the torture of British Prisoners of War by Commodore Esek Hopkins, then Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Navy. Shaw and Marven were both from Rhode Island, as was Hopkins, whose brother was Stephen Hopkins, Governor of the new state, and a signatory to the Declaration of Independence. For reporting the misconduct of the Navy's highest officer, Shaw and Marven were both dismissed from the Navy. Worse still, Hopkins then filed a criminal libel suit against Shaw and Marven in the Rhode Island Courts.