New Wisconsin voter ID Law

SmokeyDan

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you've tried that line of horse shit before, bignbushy.

The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Voting and elections in and of themselves are not rights.

The extent to which voting has rights only refers to who may be restricted from voting once an election has been declared.

If a particular state wanted to say they were going to hold no election and appoint their senators and electors for the college for the presidency voting rights have not been violated. If we had a right to vote, they would HAVE to hold elections. Just because we do does not mean we have to.

TL; DR, there are voting rights, but no right to vote.
 

desert dude

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I don't buy all these registered voters without ID. I've only ever met one person who didn't use a DL as ID, but that was because he never learned to drive. He used a passport instead. If you have a recent utility bill in your name it proves residence. Proving who you are with ID though is like, useful 'n stuff in life. I can't think of one person I know or have met who can't come up with something to satisfy such a standard requirement.

I don't think it's unreasonable that you prove who you are when you vote. They allow more than one form of ID.
That's your problem, you haven't wasted your life hanging around with shiftless Democrats who are too lazy to get out of bed and get a driver's license. They thought disenfranchise meant "this is in the franchise" for fries with their burgers till Jesse mumbled something incomprehensible about it.
 

UncleBuck

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Voting and elections in and of themselves are not rights.
already proven to be another one of your horse shit claims, bigotednbushy.

If a particular state wanted to say they were going to hold no election and appoint their senators and electors for the college for the presidency voting rights have not been violated.
L2cnstttn, r-tard.

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote.
 

UncleBuck

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That's your problem, you haven't wasted your life hanging around with shiftless Democrats who are too lazy to get out of bed and get a driver's license. They thought disenfranchise meant "this is in the franchise" for fries with their burgers till Jesse mumbled something incomprehensible about it.
thanks for cluing us in on how you white nationalists think.
 

desert dude

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you should NOT have to pay for something that is a right..social security is NOT a right and the card is free..why? can anyone explain this?
Like the hundreds of dollars and hundreds of hours that many states, overwhelmingly Democratic shitholes, require for citizens to keep and bear arms?

You lefties fucking hate the constitution unless you can twist it to make it pay for your shit.
 

UncleBuck

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You've certainly done your best to demonstrate that lefties mostly can't think, and the few that can are just power-hungry cads.
power-hungry is trying to shit on the voting rights in the constitution in order to suppress votes via voter ID (all because your horrible ideas are so unwelcome and unpopular).

why do you hate the constitution so much?

and furthermore, why did you join a white nationalist group?
 

desert dude

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Did all of this worry about the po' folk cause your stomach to ulcerate or is it just the ugliness of your soul manifesting itself?
 

UncleBuck

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Did all of this worry about the po' folk cause your stomach to ulcerate or is it just the ugliness of your soul manifesting itself?
it's actually a bacteria found in 50% of the human population that caused it.

why do you hate the voting rights in the constitution so much? why do you hate the constitution?

maybe if you had ever bothered to familiarize yourself with the document, you might not hate it too much.

but i guess you have a busy schedule of joining white nationalist groups.

I received an invite. I accepted out of courtesy.
why did you deny this membership?^^^^
 

Glaucoma

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States who ID have multiple ways to meet the requirements, and they are not difficult. Some States have a photo on the registration card. While it varies, many will give you a pass if you cite that your religion won't allow photographs. SC even gives you a pass if you don't have transportation or can come up with any other "reasonable impediment" beyond your control in obtaining picture ID. I saw at least one State that accepts expired IDs. Bank statements, utility bills, payroll check, government check, almost anything with your name and address on it from any recognized/traceable source will often be good enough.

The Live Free or Die State even asks for ID.

I don't think proving who you are in some way to vote is either unreasonable or some partisan conspiracy. If the options become DNA swabs and RFID chips then I'll have a much stronger opinion.
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I still can't think of anybody who has problems with meeting ID requirements. Everyone I know has some sort of ID. Of course, I thought of the elderly, but I figure they vote by mail. Hell, even I do.
 

desert dude

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There has been massive fraud in elections for at least half a century. It needs to be stopped to the extent possible.

An election official in Ohio admitted to voting for Obama twice, and there is pretty good evidence that she voted many more times than that.

If you want to know who is committing the majority of the fraud you need look no farther than those squealing loudest about putting an end to it.
 

desert dude

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it's actually a bacteria found in 50% of the human population that caused it.

why do you hate the voting rights in the constitution so much? why do you hate the constitution?

maybe if you had ever bothered to familiarize yourself with the document, you might not hate it too much.

but i guess you have a busy schedule of joining white nationalist groups.



why did you deny this membership?^^^^
I know all about H. Pylori. In the vast majority of people it is asymptomatic. Only those that are ugly on the inside have trouble with it.
 

UncleBuck

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I know all about H. Pylori. In the vast majority of people it is asymptomatic. Only those that are ugly on the inside have trouble with it.
that is medically sound advice, i am sure, coming from a white nationalist who is simply beautiful on the inside.
 

jahbrudda

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why do you hate the voting rights in the constitution so much? why do you hate the constitution?

maybe if you had ever bothered to familiarize yourself with the document, you might not hate it too much.

but i guess you have a busy schedule of joining white nationalist groups.



why did you deny this membership?^^^^
Why does the left demand an ID and more for American citizens to purchase firearms?
Do you and the rest of the left hate the constitution?
 

ChesusRice

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Even in its new form, Wisconsin’s law is one of the most restrictive, based on our research on acceptable IDs and voting procedures for those without IDs. We got information on new voter ID laws around the country from state election offices, and the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Two states pop up as contenders with Wisconsin for the title of "most restrictive."

One, Texas, which like Wisconsin passed a photo ID law in May 2011, now appears to be more restrictive, said University Wisconsin-Madison political scientist David Canon. Texas outlaws student IDs.
But Texas allows a concealed carry firearms permit as proof of identification, which Wisconsin does not. And Texas allows six days to supply missing photo ID after an election compared with three days in Wisconsin.
"They are very similar," Keesha Gaskins, a lawyer with the Brennan Center for Justice, a voting rights advocacy group that is critical of photo ID provisions, said of the Wisconsin and Texas laws.

Gaskins thinks the new law in Kansas actually might be most restrictive because of a proof of citizenship requirement.
Further muddying the waters: Wisconsin’s allowance of student IDs comes with a major caveat: Most UW System student IDs do not currently meet the law’s requirements.
As the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported, under the new Wisconsin law people would be allowed to vote only after showing Wisconsin driver's licenses, state-issued ID cards, certain very limited student IDs, military IDs, passports, naturalization certificates or IDs issued by a tribe based in Wisconsin. The state would issue free IDs for those lacking one of the approved cards. Those living in retirement homes, nursing homes and institutions would be exempt from the law, as would victims of stalking and those who opposed having their photos taken for religious reasons.

Wisconsin joins 12 other states that have given final or preliminary approval to laws that request or require a photo ID to vote. Most states do not, contrary to a claim by a Republican state senator that Wisconsin had been one of few states without it. We found that statement False.

The right to vote

It’s become routine for critics of photo ID to claim that voters will be "disenfranchised" when states create additional eligibility requirements such as IDs. One AFL-CIO press release even said the Wisconsin bill would "strip" hundreds of thousands of people of their constitutional right to vote.

Less frequently, ID supporters will say that vote fraud disenfranchises people by in effect cancelling out legally cast votes.

"Disenfranchised" is typically defined as "depriving" a person of a right or privilege.

Photo ID laws do not directly bar anyone from voting. They add hurdles and rules to a process that already prescribes voting hours, legal voting age and residency requirements, and -- as allowed in the U.S. Constitution -- bars felons from voting in many states.
Critics of ID provisions say it’s inevitable some voters will not learn of the requirements or be unable to fulfill them -- and be turned away at polling places. PolitiFact Texas reviewed such claim involving nuns in Indiana, rating Half True a statement that "10 retired nuns were barred from voting in the 2008 Indiana Democratic primary." Supporters say high turnout in Indiana in 2008 refutes predictions of suppressed turnout.
Let's finish up by hearing from experts and partisans on whether "disenfranchise" fits the bill.
Scot Ross, head of the liberal advocacy group One Wisconsin Now, said evidence suggests reduced voter participation is likely. "When new impediments prevent otherwise legal voters from exercising their constitutional right to vote, that is the definition of disenfranchisement."

State Rep. Jeff Stone, Republican co-author of Wisconsin’s photo ID law, said the claim that this will somehow prevent someone from voting is just false. "Requiring a photo ID in order to be given one’s ballot is not disenfranchisement, it is now one of the rules governing our election process."

Curtis Gans has mixed feelings about "disenfranchise."

"I don’t like the word," said Gans, director of the Center for the Study of the American Electorate. "I don’t think it applies." Gans sees legitimate concerns about disparate impact of the current photo ID laws on the poor, elderly and minorities, but he thinks the government could erase such concerns by distributing a "biometric" ID based on fingerprints that would register everyone to vote.

Rob Richie, executive director, Fair Vote, The Center for Voting and Democracy, uses "disenfranchise" to describe what he sees as the real-world impact of the laws.

But he agrees the term can be overstated because ID requirements are "not a fundamental loss of franchise rights."

Last word goes to Hans von Spakovsky, a prominent ID backer and former Federal Election Commission member under President George W. Bush.

Von Spakovsky said "disenfranchise" is totally inappropriate, especially when critics compare photo ID to Jim Crow laws. Von Spakovsky is senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation.

"I think they believe they can use it as a political weapon," he said of critics.


I disagree. Any hurdles that result in a persons loss of voting is disenfranchisement. And not mentioned in the article is the fact you need a birth certificate to get a ID and a ID to get a birth certificate and it takes weeks or months to receive it
 

jahbrudda

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0.0001151% is not massive, unless we are comparing relative percentages to your tiny, tiny penis.
According to an audit by the North Carolina Elections Oversight Committee, at least 81 dead people have been voting from the grave, and more than 35,000 people with matching full names and dates of birth voted in both North Carolina and another state in the 2012 general election. To put that number in context, Barack Obama carried North Carolina by fewer than 15,000 votes in 2008. Double voting, needless to say, is a crime. Furthermore, state officials were only able to cross check their rolls and voter activity records with 28 other states, leaving loads of potential data missing.
 

Glaucoma

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I disagree. Any hurdles that result in a persons loss of voting is disenfranchisement. And not mentioned in the article is the fact you need a birth certificate to get a ID and a ID to get a birth certificate and it takes weeks or months to receive it
Sorry, but you can in fact get a birth certificate without a picture ID.

In Wisconsin specifically:

ONE of the following:
Wisconsin driver's license
Wisconsin ID card
Out-of-state driver's license/ID card


ORTWO of the following:
U.S. government-issued photo ID
Passport
Checkbook/bank statement
Health insurance card
Current, dated, signed lease
Utility bill or traffic ticket
Paycheck or earnings statement

I think it's interesting that a passport and US govt ID aren't good enough by themselves.

As far as the wait goes.. well.. Too bad. It isn't like they hold elections at random.
 
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