Soil Vs Hydro

[SnapsProvolone]

Seems fairly simple that there are an awful lot of multibillion-dollar corporations that just really would prefer nobody talk about such things. We went 50 years with the same kind of nonsense with the tobacco industry and now we look back and see it is profoundly stupid yet back then doctors and surgeons were smoking and promoting cigarettes at the behest of corporate tobacco

OMFG ease up on that tree you've been hugging before you strangle it to death.

 

[FrozenChozen]

Not correct. You need some environmental pressure to cause such extraordinarily rapid genetic expression change in a single generation

Like HAARP changing our weather to such an extreme that natural disasters are almost as common as car jackings? Or global warming? Or the "dumbing down" of everyone's immune system by seeding our skies with chemicals? How 'bout the blast of nuclear radiation from Fukishima Daichi? Or the filling of our cities water supplies with prescription birth control, anti depressants, and muscle relaxants?
I'm well versed in modern "environmental pressures" as you call them

 

[Rrog]

Snaps, you're a smart guy. You surprise me.

Frozen, there you go again lumping fact in with a nice list of BS conspiracy theories.

You guys should try Google Scholar. The data is easy to find

 

[FrozenChozen]

OMFG ease up on that tree you've been hugging before you strangle it to death.

dude its already dead

 

[FrozenChozen]

Snaps, you're a smart guy.

That's why he says Hydro is better

 

[FrozenChozen]

Frozen, there you go again lumping fact in with a nice list of BS conspiracy theories.

What is there that is conspiracy theory? that's all truth

 

[skunkd0c]

Like HAARP changing our weather to such an extreme that natural disasters are almost as common as car jackings? Or global warming? Or the "dumbing down" of everyone's immune system by seeding our skies with chemicals? How 'bout the blast of nuclear radiation from Fukishima Daichi? Or the filling of our cities water supplies with prescription birth control, anti depressants, and muscle relaxants?
I'm well versed in modern "environmental pressures" as you call them

some of the soil/organic guys believe using Clonex to root cuttings can give you cancer

 

[Rrog]

Frozen- A lot of people view all of those as purposeful acts, so I thought you were listing more conspiracies. Sorry, I mis-read that brother

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

Though I've never personally been a hydro guy I see the advantages, much quicker growth being the primary but the higher potency claim is silly - properly grown using either method, both should be equally potent as genetics dictate.

I've got nothing against any other growers system, to each their own but I very much like to build my soil (which smells wonderful btw) and I simply add water when they ask for it. No bottles/nutes, no nothing. I have even stopped PH adjusting my water with exactly zero difference.
I can be in and out of my room in 15 minutes a week if I choose.
But of course I like to spend a bit more time in "Jamaica".

 

[FrozenChozen]

taken directly from "google scholar"
SUMMARY Auto-immune disease may result from the interaction of the genetic load of the individual, modification of self-tissue antigens by environmental agents such as virus or drugs and abnormalities of the immunological system itself such as the loss of controlling or suppressor T cells with age. In the majority of people the outcome is tolerance, maintenance of normal tissue architecture and function. In the unfortunate few the outcome is auto-immune disease, that is, failure to recognize ‘self’.
http://rheumatology.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/1/1.short

In my 9 years of experience with Auto Immune Disease, and DOCTORS who study them, they are more than 90% genetic. Other illness makes up the cause of the other 10%

it says NOTHING ABOUT preflorinated conspiracy theories

 

[Rrog]

You're not under any obligation to believe anything you hear or read. But considering your situation what harm could come from looking up the interaction of those PFCs? 10 minutes of your time.

 

[BarnBuster]

Guerrilla grow for past 20 some years. Fairly easy and simple; no complaints about result(s)

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

taken directly from "google scholar"
SUMMARY Auto-immune disease may result from the interaction of the genetic load of the individual, modification of self-tissue antigens by environmental agents such as virus or drugs and abnormalities of the immunological system itself such as the loss of controlling or suppressor T cells with age. In the majority of people the outcome is tolerance, maintenance of normal tissue architecture and function. In the unfortunate few the outcome is auto-immune disease, that is, failure to recognize ‘self’.
http://rheumatology.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/1/1.short

it says NOTHING ABOUT preflorinated conspiracy theories

Sorry your child is having these issues - I sincerely hope you are able to manage and control some of the triggers?

 

[FrozenChozen]

higher potency claim is silly - properly grown using either method, both should be equally potent as genetics dictate....
But of course I like to spend a bit more time in "Jamaica".

I'll accept that potency claims could just be the placebo effect, potency should be left up to genetics, but outside factors can degrade potency (not feeding properly, heat stress, inexperience)
Us Alaskans gotta get as much sun as we can, even if it is fake sun!

 

[skunkd0c]

I very much like to build my soil

No bottles/nutes, no nothing.

i see soil growers say these things a fair bit, they kind of contradict themselves
to build soil or prepare soil, look at the list of amendments/additives that most soil growers post, the ingredients of super soil or whatever
quite a few items on the list

its a great deal more work more complex and finicky than adding 100ml of A and 100ml of B to tap water
or if you wish hydro will work fine with 1 part nutes

peace

 

[Rrog]

You're right in that you'll need to add amendments occasionally, but once built it's simple and very forgiving.

 

[FrozenChozen]

Sorry your child is having these issues - I sincerely hope you are able to manage and control some of the triggers?

Yes, we got it under control. Hydroponics has allowed me to continue CLEANLY growing in an INDOOR environment, and has provided a reliable means of financial support while still fighting this. I appreciate your concern GWN!
Had I continued using soil, I'd be risking my child's life. To prevent further argument I'll stop and agree to disagree

 

[Rrog]

Had I continued using soil, I'd be risking my child's life. To prevent further argument I'll stop and agree to disagree

Sorry for your burden brother. I mean that. But that comment is simply unscientifically sound. Unless you're shitting and placing raw garbage or something else obviously unsanitary. Your comment is completely inaccurate and misleading.

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

i see soil growers say these things a fair bit, they kind of contradict themselves
to build soil or prepare soil, look at the list of amendments/additives that most soil growers post, the ingredients of super soil or whatever
quite a few items on the list

its a great deal more work more complex and finicky than adding 100ml of A and 100ml of B to tap water
or if you wish hydro will work fine with 1 part nutes

peace

True - I have a small list of amendments that I add to a big shit can of recycled soil, it takes me about an hour each summer to mix a batch that will last me all year.
I might try hydro in the future - I have been very satisfied with my results (both in potency, smell/taste & quantity) in soil and other than the odd fungus gnat had no issues that make me want to change.

Like good fishermen say, "Never leave fish to find fish".

 

[skunkd0c]

You're right in that you'll need to add amendments occasionally, but once built it's simple and very forgiving.

look at the huge list of ingredients to start with , i have seen lists with like maybe 10 different items to (build the soil)

then we have folk brewing teas to keep the soil bugs happy
its not just a case of add water as you said
soil organics is some major faffing about if the truth be told