Soil Vs Hydro
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I'm gonna spark a green bowl as we speak - I like the company.
reasonevangelist
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idk 'bout you guys, but i don't "live in" my soil. My plants do, and i like to put my face in them and just hang out, but... i'm only visiting. I haven't noticed being harmed by "extra" bacteria... and i'm sure my "disgusting" soil is likely far less disgusting than quite a lot of people i've met. Some people fondle their unwashed genitals, poop, wipe, don't bother washing their hands, touch the door knob on the way out, the walls, the counter tops in the kitchen, and half the food in the fridge (not to mention the fridge handle)... my soil isn't what's disgusting. lol.
There are plenty of arguments in favor of the notion that eliminating exposure to "germs" actually weakens a developing immune system. Without resistance to strive against, we don't develop strength (but excess resistance is also bad). That's the way most living things work. If you eliminate all germ exposure, the body won't learn how to fight the easy and intermediate germs, and will get thoroughly Owned by the really bad stuff... whereas a person who has had the right amount of germ exposure throughout their lives, might actually be able to fight off most of the nasty stuff (minus the stuff that has developed to basically "hack" our immune systems...).
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Of course, there are those who have unfortunate genetic mutations which prevent them from having sufficient immune development in the first place (and this same principle applies to many other topics beyond immunity development), but that's another matter.
reasonevangelist
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I'm human. I don't need "reason" to mess up. Sometimes i might be too tired or distracted or misread a label. Shit happens. And if shit inevitably, predictably happens, i could almost instantly kill my plants with a hydro setup... not to mention, power outages on a hydro setup would freak me out even more (i just had one at 6h into my 12h lights-on period... lasted long enough that i have to leave them sleeping after only 6h of light, and reconfigure my schedule).
reasonevangelist
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And what causes genetic mutations resulting in these disorders? Surely there must be a traceable source, since these unintended genetic mutations are (now) so common. Not sure if we're actually having a higher instance of genetic mutation, or if it's just that we hear about it more often due to the internet.
reasonevangelist
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He's not hugging that tree too tightly, he's LST'ing it.
i love the hydro /soil debate
reasonevangelist
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Alright, i'm not going to read that whole pdf, but i see where you're going, and what you're getting at. If it's necessary for you to live and grow in a bubble, then maybe hydro is better for your situation... but i'm not so sure about "more efficient."
I think i need to clarify: i don't "have a problem with" other people doing the hydro thing, i actually think it's "kinda cool," i merely prefer the soil approach, for my own reasons and circumstances (and as far as i know, i'm not actually using any manure... although i would reckon the fish compost probably includes some fish poop! But it's been composted prior to being added to the soil mix, and the mix itself was then "cooked" for about 2 months before i even had it... i wouldn't want to use manure unless it was rabbit).
Just like the overclocking thing... overclocking, squeezing more performance by applying more power, has diminishing returns, and doesn't yield THAT MUCH more performance anyway. You're not going to double your performance by doubling your power, or doubling your clock speed (both of which would fry most chips, except under the most extreme and elaborate, aggressive cooling methods, which are anything but "efficient"). You won't even get a 50% increase. The harder you push a chip, the less you get out of pushing it harder, and the more energy it costs you to keep it running and keep it from melting itself. You can buy a less expensive chip and overclock it, so you get more bang for your equipment expenditure, but you trade power efficiency for that, which means you're consuming more electricity and generating more heat, buying more gear and spending more electricity to dissipate that heat... and if you got a recent, modern chip, it's almost certainly entirely unnecessary, because most rigs lack power in the GPU department, not the CPU. And ever since people blew up their gtx590s (lol), nvidia has put a damper on the whole gpu overclocking thing (and AMD/ATI are less efficient anyway, and seldom superior to nvidia, and when so, only at the top tier, by a tiny margin, or otherwise based on specific cost-level markets). I haven't been keeping up with that scene much lately, but i saw the 900s have hit the market. I'm sure they're significantly better than what i got, but i'm also sure the game devs haven't started coding efficiently yet, because they still have the luxury of excess power available in the modern gpus, and the pressure to release as soon as possible, rather than "when it's ready."
I surely wasn't trying to bunch anyone's panties, or imply that hydro is "stupid" or whatever. I think it's cool, it's just not THAT much better, if at all, and it's not the way i want to do things. From my experience of running an overclocked and watercooled PC for several years (more than one build), i know hydro will not be right for me. I don't want to worry about equipment failure any more than is necessary, and i don't want to have to buy things that aren't going to give me what i define as a "worthwhile" advantage. I see the "advantages" of hydro as being significantly offset (perhaps nullified) by what is required to correctly maintain it. But just like overclocking, i still think it's cool that other people do impressive things with it. But i already have enough shit to worry about. If i went with hydro, it would be like having another watercooled OC'd PC. I learned my lesson about "monitoring stress" already. It's stressful to have to monitor delicate equipment being pushed harder than "intended." Once the soil is right, i don't have to mess with it anymore. Plus, i like to lean toward "nature's ways" when possible. Not trying to say anyone's stupid for using hydro.
Greenhouse;save
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so hydro v soil imo and its is only my op soil is for learning the basics of growing i bet not one of u hydro guys started with hydro [90%]we all learn from the soil and then progress to hydro then after tasting both a resonable decition can b made as to how any individual wants to progress its as simple as that some people prefer hydro for their own reasons the same as some people prefer soil for their own reasons but to cut a long story short and remember this is only my opinion soil is safer and has been on this planet for billions of years hydro is resonably new in terms of that and for that reason takes a lot of dialling in but once the system is proved to work it is hard to c y the individual would revert back to soil.growing anything takes hard work and dedication weither it be soil or hydro at the end of the day its all down to prefference.......
Rrog
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Reason- Nice write-up.
I use the No-Till method, which means I'll use the soil for many generations. I won't bust up the root ball or otherwise disturb the existing complex microbial network. I've been amending on occasion, and I have a 15 gallon Geopot, so I have safe nute reserves like crazy.
That significantly averages out the initial start up cost and time to build a proper soil. This method is without a doubt the least expensive way to grow.
I use the No-Till method, which means I'll use the soil for many generations. I won't bust up the root ball or otherwise disturb the existing complex microbial network. I've been amending on occasion, and I have a 15 gallon Geopot, so I have safe nute reserves like crazy.
That significantly averages out the initial start up cost and time to build a proper soil. This method is without a doubt the least expensive way to grow.
Greenhouse;save
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Again preferred way of doing it that way u no exactly wot in your medium but 15 bucks for a 50ltre bag of good soil isn't really a ball buster is it......
ttystikk
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I just flipped a few leaves over, and I don't see an Intel or AMD logo anywhere...
Overclocking plants, lol
ttystikk
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Here's what is more efficient about hydroponics in general; chelated, soluble, fully available nutrients in as much water as the plant wants, preferably constantly.
Hydro is an exercise in removing various limits on the speed of growth; RDWC bathes the roots in water constantly so as to make as it as available to the plant as possible at all times. Since the nutes are in the water, they come too in quantities limited only by the plant's physiology. In other words, no brakes.
The downside is that if it isn't soluble or can be made to be, it isn't going to be taken up. This includes lots of stuff organic gardeners know increases flavors.
Hydro is an exercise in removing various limits on the speed of growth; RDWC bathes the roots in water constantly so as to make as it as available to the plant as possible at all times. Since the nutes are in the water, they come too in quantities limited only by the plant's physiology. In other words, no brakes.
The downside is that if it isn't soluble or can be made to be, it isn't going to be taken up. This includes lots of stuff organic gardeners know increases flavors.
reasonevangelist
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Well... they're Green. Nvidia is clearly behind this. Blue plants are Intel, purple plants are AMD/ATI graphics on an Intel board, etc. (this is a joke, in case anyone wasn't sure...)
And yes, overclocking plants, indeed. Isn't that what hydro's all about? Same concept applied to biological organisms, rather than microprocessors? Tweaking the system to get the most performance possible, at the cost of increased power consumption and careful monitoring, due to increased risk of damage? We already overclock people and computers, why not plants?
Actually, i was pretty sure hydro was all about finding ways to grow plants in inhospitable environments, like deserts, or places where there is either no soil, or contaminated soil... i don't live in a desert or a bubble... or space, for that matter. But i'm still geek enough to appreciate the hydro method, even if i don't want to go that route myself. I actually almost Did go that route, but decided against it. I still may try it someday, but not likely anytime soon. Or, i may just "get a wild hare up my ass" and end up building a bucket one day. I just don't have the resources for anything elaborate, so idk how well "ghetto hydro" would compare to "legit organic soil." There are probably better uses available for my limited resources.
ttystikk
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The response from us hydro guys is to foliar spray with kelp and other complex organic nutrients, thus gaining the benefits without the need to use soil based or even soil-like (think coco, sunshine #4) substrates. Foliar applications of brewed teas even apply microbes. I crown feed with them too, but mostly just for the sake of protection.
colonuggs
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best way is Soilless....ie sunshine or promix... I don't like coco
People who are new to the growing of the ganja.... should learn in the potter based mediums a lot more forgiving
If you know what you are doing...you can grow 2 oz plants in party cups and average 6-8 oz in 2 gallon potters
In the beginning try to learn what your plant needs...they do talk to you...we just have to learn how to listen
People who are new to the growing of the ganja.... should learn in the potter based mediums a lot more forgiving
If you know what you are doing...you can grow 2 oz plants in party cups and average 6-8 oz in 2 gallon potters
In the beginning try to learn what your plant needs...they do talk to you...we just have to learn how to listen