SnapsProvolone
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If you equate less work, better results with being skinned alive then there is no helping you.
You are regurgitating the ramblings of hydro failures and ignoring the wisdom of those that posess true hydro skills.
Soil Vs Hydro
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You are regurgitating the ramblings of hydro failures and ignoring the wisdom of those that posess true hydro skills.
waterdawg
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As a landlord I would not rent ti anyone who grows in my property, period! Get your own place lol! As a person who has seen the effects of "both" ways to grow on a house that is not properly ventilated its not worth it. Humidity, dirt, bugs, there all bad for a house. God this is just the stupidest thread ever, a person trying to say soil is better but never tried it, just read a bunch if bull crap about. Oh and Pet.....yes yes nice system lol enough already about it lol.
reasonevangelist
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I think you guys are missing my point, due to being hydro zealots.
Prior to participating in the hydro movement, i am able to determine various factors of the hydro process, which i would prefer to avoid.
Therefore: soil (despite any claims of hydro superiority).
You guys seem to think i'm saying "your way sucks!" But i'm not. I'm saying "your way involves things i'd rather not deal with, and my way is sufficient for my needs."
Not sure how that can be legitimately construed as "ignorant," other than the literal ignorance of not participating in the adoption of a method i've already found reasons not to adopt.
It comes down to ideology and circumstances. If i could find an Easy and Equivalently Eco-friendly, sustainable hydro method, i Might try it, Maybe. But that's not happening right now, and won't, for quite some time, if at all.
Prior to participating in the hydro movement, i am able to determine various factors of the hydro process, which i would prefer to avoid.
Therefore: soil (despite any claims of hydro superiority).
You guys seem to think i'm saying "your way sucks!" But i'm not. I'm saying "your way involves things i'd rather not deal with, and my way is sufficient for my needs."
Not sure how that can be legitimately construed as "ignorant," other than the literal ignorance of not participating in the adoption of a method i've already found reasons not to adopt.
It comes down to ideology and circumstances. If i could find an Easy and Equivalently Eco-friendly, sustainable hydro method, i Might try it, Maybe. But that's not happening right now, and won't, for quite some time, if at all.
resinousflowers420
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i prefer soil,it is easier,and less expensive to run,because you dont need all that extra equipment you need growing hydro.also you normally have to use more electricity growing hydro,with water pumps,water chillers,air pumps etc.i also prefer how soil grown tastes.
skunkd0c
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Are you saying you are a non practicing homosexual ?
skunkd0c
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You are overstating your ability to hold a "credible" opinion on anything related to hydroponics
you do not have the knowledge to make an "informed" decision or to advise others
the decision you made not to try hydroponics was based on falsehoods hearsay and bad research (lack of)
this does not stop you making your decision, but it removes any credibility you might have
you seem far too arrogant to realise this , you have been arguing with folk who have been
growing successfully hydroponically for decades, i think this also makes you pretty ignorant
so you have read some books on apples
written by a man with no sense of taste
you are telling everyone apples do not taste as nice as oranges
because your book says so
good luck
ttystikk
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...and you overgeneralized me; I've owned, built, street raced and loved any number of sixties muscle cars, done my own roofing and painting- thanks to the plant, I'm quickly becoming versed in the rest of the trades lol- and yet I'm a dyed in the wool RDWC junkie. Why?
Because I'm a high performance gearhead in all its myriad and wondrous forms. I became CADD (computer aided drafting/design) literate THIRTY years ago. I overclocked computers before kids entering college today were fucking BORN- and they think it's their new idea? Believe me when I tell you, I'm a very hands on kind of guy.
I'm here for the speed, kids. I build mine to grow more, better, faster and do it with less power, fewer inputs, less space and with fewer manhours per unit of yield than anyone else's hot rod growroom.
Anywhere.
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This is starting to sound like a
measuring contest.
measuring contest.
ttystikk
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I'm being clear about my own goals and interests in the hobby.
To be the above, I think it's necessary to belittle others for perceived shortcomings, and that's not me, either, brother. To each their own, not mine to judge.
waterdawg
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If we are basing this discussion on indoor growing I hear what everyone is saying and yes if you have looked into hydro and its not your thing thats ok, but!! You talk of echo friendly practices, more expence, etc. imo that is where you guys have it a bit wrong. The statement, more energy used in hydro versus soil is pretty hard to justify imo, and I own (rent out the fields) a certified organic farm lol. Chillers, not needed, never had one! Air pumps, not needed, used one for a month, never again. Yes a water pump, very small electrical footprint, Less lights on time due to quicker growth, more buds shorter growth cycle. Cost is again a mute point, my setups (well the newest one lol) cost less than $100 and supports 6 girls, $100 bucks, really sell a half lol. Nutes are another thing, dont kid yourself they all impact the environment. This is why this thread is silly as to the direction it has taken. No one will ever win the hydro versus soil argument. There is no better or worse way to grow. There is a preference and thats ok but to defend one or the other as better is a futile endeavour, but fun to follow I gotta say lol. Also IMO hydro (if grown properly) taste better, letting the subtle differences come out. I'm just happy to done with gnats, and fucking pots everywhere, happy to not spend hours properly watering soil, spend hours potting, and then repotting again lol. Thats why hydro guys are arguing btw, the arguments presented are, its more time consuming, harder to control, use's more power, bigger enviromental footprint, soil taste better. All of these reasons are imo just here-say without true fact. Lots of that here on all subjects. Lots of growers here are legends in their own minds, lol. To OP there is no right answer for the question posed. The right answer is try all of the methods and see what you like and what works.
IMHO there is no "Right" or "Wrong" method - if you enjoy what you're doing, then you're doing it right.
Personal preference and style.
That's all I was trying to get across.
Personal preference and style.
That's all I was trying to get across.
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Bugeye
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No consensus yet? Keep debating and I'll check back in a few weeks. I'm sort of committed to my soil for the next few weeks but I'll go with whatever the consensus is for next season. I'd like to be growing the right way. Also, what is the absolute best way to germinate?
Greenhouse;save
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the comment i made earlier was about good old fashoned ways that WORk.i in no way said hydro was better or worse hell i am a relatively new grower who has only had a chance to work with soil but hopefully in the near future when i am a bit more educated on wot my plant wants and wot my plant needs then i might have a go at hydro then and only then will i make a conscious decition as to wot i preffer be it soil or b it hydro i will weigh each up and make my own mind up as to wot way to go....
Sativied
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“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.” ― Harlan Ellison
reasonevangelist
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"the smartest people sometimes do the stupidest things." -me
"...Even if one does not know what a thing is, it is at least an increase in knowledge, to know what it is Not." -Jung (paraphrased)
It doesn't matter if it's "superior," if it involves something i want to avoid. It's not superior Enough, to me, to justify what would be required of me, to use that other method.
If you want to play science lab and grow record-setting plants, great, cool, do it. That method requires things i don't want to spend my time doing, which makes it Subjectively inferior.
You guys don't understand. And this also is not something i really wanted to spend my time doing, so i won't.
waterdawg
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Actually my biggest and best plants came from the great outdoors. Sadly due to having a truly asinine federal government we are forced to hide what we do here. Indoors is my safer option and I chose to grow using the most efficient methods available and IMO that is hydro.
Sativied
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Your 'reasoning' is based on invalid cliche assumptions about hydro. I don't agree with all the claims made in this thread about hydro by hydro growers either (like more yield, which is just space+light+genetics. If you yield more on hydro you're a better hydro grower than soil grower... or hydro is just easier....... ), nor with yours though, there's nothing "science lab" about it. It's not complicated by any means, it's not expensive, it's certainly not more work, more risky, messy...
Exactly.............. so you can have a more informed opinion to make a more informed decision
So be thankful to the hydro growers who took the time to explain to you what hydro is and what hydro is not. Consider your knowledge increased now you know what hydro is not (expensive, more work, complicated, or whatever misconception you had).reasonevangelist
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Sativied
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More 'reasoning'...
As if I expected to convince you after seeing your lack of reasoning so far... you're obviously not living up to that username.Thanks for wasting your time.