Lollipopping ( Any Scientific Evidence? )

[Ninjabowler]

It is very simple. You don't design experiments. You are imposing a pattern without understanding the controls for that pattern. Pattens are called stitions, They are everywhere and are the basis of all science.

You think the quality of light above the hood is the same as the quality under the leaves? NO.

Above the hood there is practically no light. A plant will not grow into a no light condition when it has plenty of light elsewhere, It just cut that off. It has not use since it gets NO PAR RADIATION.

So, are you reading this thread or not? I have been through this several times in detail already.

Light is whole plant resource and they will grow into light but the parts that get NO LIGHT are sacrificed.

You expect it to keep growing out into the dark above the light or turn around and duck in, and that is just foolishly made up conjecture. Light is a whole plant resource not to be wastes pushing growth into blackness.

Science vs superstition

in fear of not bringing a scientific journal and getting blasted ill cautiously continue lol.
The science that i conduct is like the directions on a shampoo bottle, lather, rinse, repeat. I run the same strain over and over again. Things change obviosly, temperatures, feed schedules, food amounts, ect. Its impossible not to have some degree of change from grow to grow.
Regardless of the minor changes to my growing practices the science that ive seen shows that my inner plant, especially on puffball indicas grows pure crap that nobody wants. Not even me and ill smoke anything, im like a homless person sometimes with how i dont waste anything. No, instead its sad looking shwag. So i started lollypopping. What i do is hollow out those crap nugs, take off lower branches that produce crap anyway, and blamo! The rest of the plant now enjoys the root system even more than before because the crap i dont want isnt being babysat by the roots anymore. Instead those roots send all the nutrients they are now over produceing....right to where i want them. The fan leaves that are working the most efficiantly to bonerize my plant with gigantic buds. And when their done i notice an increase in bud size. From my scientific control.
My control is my first grow with every strain i run. Evey new plant gets a trial run. No messing with it, just letter go. When its done and ive stared at it man times when im medicated and in the bloom room, ill decide on how to lollypop its future runs. It may not be the bottom third, it may be the center only. Theres one strain i run where i lolly pop it so minamally its hardly noticeable because the profitable material runs all the way down to the bottom. She is an exception though. Most need trimming up.
So theres science for ya, control, observation, action, observation, hypothesis. The only thing im missing is grant money, proposals, edditors, and publishing in a scientific marijuana journal.
It seems like you anti pruners always scream wheres the science because you know its not available. Nobody studies marijuana in acadimia because its illegal and theres no funding for illegal study. But fuck, if almost every other plant gets pruned then why wouldnt pot get it too. Is it some alien species? And im still waiting for you and Ben to make an appearance on the SCROG thread and tell all those guys that the plant will naturally drop its leaves and theres no worries, just leave it alone and become a believer...come to the dark side (get it? Under the untrimmed canopy ).
When the difference between making sales is based on smell and size of the buds then ill do everything i can to make sure both of these things are at maximum potential. After all, ive already told you that theres no reason that anyone should loose over a hundred dollars a zip due to produceing scrag and selling scrag, when the production weight isnt impacted by lolly popping by that same ratio of money loss between grades. Do the math yourself and youll see im right.

 

[Doer]

You're cool, ramble and I never thought otherwise.

 

[Doer]

in fear of not bringing a scientific journal and getting blasted ill cautiously continue lol.
The science that i conduct is like the directions on a shampoo bottle, lather, rinse, repeat. I run the same strain over and over again. Things change obviosly, temperatures, feed schedules, food amounts, ect. Its impossible not to have some degree of change from grow to grow.

My control is my first grow with every strain i run. Evey new plant gets a trial run. No messing with it, just letter go. When its done and ive stared at it man times when im medicated and in the bloom room, ill decide

It seems like you anti pruners always scream wheres the science because you know its not available. Nobody studies marijuana in acadimia because its illegal and theres no funding for illegal study. But fuck, if almost every other plant gets pruned then why wouldnt pot get it too. Is it some alien species? And im still waiting for you and Ben to make an appearance on the SCROG thread and tell all those guys that the plant will naturally drop its leaves and theres no worries, just leave it alone and become a believer...come to the dark side (get it? Under the untrimmed canopy ).

When the difference between making sales is based on smell and size of the buds then ill do everything i can to make sure both of these things are at maximum potential. After all, ive already told you that theres no reason that anyone should loose over a hundred dollars a zip due to produceing scrag and selling scrag, when the production weight isnt impacted by lolly popping by that same ratio of money loss between grades. Do the math yourself and youll see im right.

Why do you think this is some sort of conflict?

That is not science. That is not the use of a Control. It is not what we are talking about.

A Control plant experiment is when you raise both plants identically and rigorously control the change of one variable on the Test plant, ONLY. The Control and the Test are compared for objective factors, such as THC assay and weight and quality grades of buds.

If you do this experiment many times, with many pairs, you can for yourself what we are saying.

And now for the rest of it.

No one is screaming but you. We are not anti-anything. Your superstitions are your own and mean nothing to us at all.

It is not an alien species and you have made the point. What other plants do you know that get pruned to make medicine. Opium poppy? No. Valarian? No. Landrace Tebetian Kush? No. So, the Botany discussion, is about the production of THC.

Your unfounded, unproved claim is that you increase Cola Production. You don't. And I told you above how to prove that. You cling to a superstition. You offer nothing but harsh personal attacks and don't have a leg to stand on but, you continue repeating the superstition.

If you are selling for looks, you sacrifice yield. Apples are big example. But, If you decide you are selling to an extractor for juice then you want max weight of all the apples.

Juicers get more tons of apple per acre than whole apple guys. Simple botany.

So, If you are building rep on a one pony, big cola story, like a big apple story, that is your business. Some guys will sell Mopeds and Racing bikes, so what? Some will sell big cola story. All that is business modeling, not science.

If you leave it alone under SCROG you are much better off. It is much less strain on the plant. IAC, The more dense the canopy the less PAR. It all evens out. The plant will use all the light it gets and SCROG is not even an issue. So, we are not even talking about that. This is the Advanced Cultivation thread, not SCROG.

And lastly you are throwing away THC and that is a bad thing to do. You don't have to sell it. You can give it to the needy.

 

[bud nugbong]

Hello its me again, I chimed in on the subject not long ago. A fan of trimming the lower branches. And in my case it is definatly the way to go.
Now take in mind These are bottomless pots, with roots that can go into the ground, they only get sun from high in the sky, and they don't get much wind because of all the thick trees surrounding them. But now that they leaned over from the heavy rains you can see how I trim off the lower branches while it was growing up and even took out some inner growth.
No I don't have any clones grown side by side and fed exactly the same, but I did grow in this spot without trimming and it is way better to do it. (my growing situation makes it essential) But will always be a fan of trimming up the scraggly shit on the bottoms and inside.
I know doer is going to say NUH-UH, but I do believe you will get the same yield as long as you stop trimming by the first week of flower.

 

[Doer]

You believe that, huh? Did you happen to notice the thread title?

 

[st0wandgrow]

I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

Neither is he

 

[Pass it Around]

Well, I can tell you guys one thing. The bottom half is going to hash for me and the top half is going to the jars .

Loud seeds headband is pretty damn dank.

 

[Doer]

That's the ticket

 

[Uncle Ben]

Hello its me again, I chimed in on the subject not long ago. A fan of trimming the lower branches. And in my case it is definatly the way to go.
Now take in mind These are bottomless pots, with roots that can go into the ground, they only get sun from high in the sky, and they don't get much wind because of all the thick trees surrounding them. But now that they leaned over from the heavy rains you can see how I trim off the lower branches while it was growing up and even took out some inner growth.
No I don't have any clones grown side by side and fed exactly the same, but I did grow in this spot without trimming and it is way better to do it. (my growing situation makes it essential) But will always be a fan of trimming up the scraggly shit on the bottoms and inside.
I know doer is going to say NUH-UH, but I do believe you will get the same yield as long as you stop trimming by the first week of flower.View attachment 3269839

You can't be serious.

 

[Ninjabowler]

Why do you think this is some sort of conflict?

That is not science. That is not the use of a Control. It is not what we are talking about.

A Control plant experiment is when you raise both plants identically and rigorously control the change of one variable on the Test plant, ONLY. The Control and the Test are compared for objective factors, such as THC assay and weight and quality grades of buds.

If you do this experiment many times, with many pairs, you can for yourself what we are saying.

And now for the rest of it.

No one is screaming but you. We are not anti-anything. Your superstitions are your own and mean nothing to us at all.

It is not an alien species and you have made the point. What other plants do you know that get pruned to make medicine. Opium poppy? No. Valarian? No. Landrace Tebetian Kush? No. So, the Botany discussion, is about the production of THC.

Your unfounded, unproved claim is that you increase Cola Production. You don't. And I told you above how to prove that. You cling to a superstition. You offer nothing but harsh personal attacks and don't have a leg to stand on but, you continue repeating the superstition.

If you are selling for looks, you sacrifice yield. Apples are big example. But, If you decide you are selling to an extractor for juice then you want max weight of all the apples.

Juicers get more tons of apple per acre than whole apple guys. Simple botany.

So, If you are building rep on a one pony, big cola story, like a big apple story, that is your business. Some guys will sell Mopeds and Racing bikes, so what? Some will sell big cola story. All that is business modeling, not science.

If you leave it alone under SCROG you are much better off. It is much less strain on the plant. IAC, The more dense the canopy the less PAR. It all evens out. The plant will use all the light it gets and SCROG is not even an issue. So, we are not even talking about that. This is the Advanced Cultivation thread, not SCROG.

And lastly you are throwing away THC and that is a bad thing to do. You don't have to sell it. You can give it to the needy.

You scoff at my science huh? My tests dont make sence to you? Grow a plant, make changes, observe changes, draw a conclusion. We all made the same conclusion or there wouldnt be so many of us that do it lol. And screaming? Theres not even an exclamation mark in my post. I wrote the whole thing chuckling to myself

So you claim that advanced marijuana growing is not indoor growing? Cause im pretty sure that theres way more complicated indoor grows with hydro systems and aquaponics, really indoor growing in general is more technical than out door growing. I mean outdoor....veg some plants and put them outside lol. Indoor aquaponics..........making sure your fish dont escape is way harder than holding a hose in a greenhouse dont you think?

I love how you say we when you say were anti nothing, except your anti lolly popping and so if my claim is unproven then is yours proven? Wheres your scientific data on my OG kush plants? Where does it say that OG kush is frostier if you dont lolly pop it indoor?

Oh and btw, ive tried your claim that if you remove the tops and let the popcorn grow and it will be better pffffff! It sucked!i didnt lolly pop a run and i took off all the top stuff which was good. Then i let the bottom grow. It changed color, the strain had purple hues to it and the colors came out more. It went from yellow lime green, to purple and darker. Bit it was not very good at all. Im being honest with you, it sucked. I actually think i have some left from a year ago to be honest. It was my most embarrassing jars ever. That may have actually been the turning point where i changed my perspective on lolly popping.

Also Doer, when you say that juicers get more tons of apples than whole apple guys its not basic botany, its basic capitalism. And i listen to capitalists over anyone else cause we live in a capitalist society. So if science says there will be a little more THC but lots of smaller buds, then keep that science and sell it to Camel cigarettes cause theyre going to need it when their selling us prerolled, till then ill use my science to grow faaaat nuuuugs!

 

[Uncle Ben]

1. You scoff at my science huh?

2. My tests dont make sence to you?

3. Grow a plant, make changes, observe changes, draw a conclusion.

4. We all made the same conclusion or there wouldnt be so many of us that do it lol.

1. Yes. That's not science, it's bullshit.

2. No. That's not how it's done.

3. Of course, now that's some real science.

4. A thousand flies on a pile of shit can't be wrong.

 

[CaretakerDad]

in fear of not bringing a scientific journal and getting blasted ill cautiously continue lol.
The science that i conduct is like the directions on a shampoo bottle, lather, rinse, repeat. I run the same strain over and over again. Things change obviosly, temperatures, feed schedules, food amounts, ect. Its impossible not to have some degree of change from grow to grow.
Regardless of the minor changes to my growing practices the science that ive seen shows that my inner plant, especially on puffball indicas grows pure crap that nobody wants. Not even me and ill smoke anything, im like a homless person sometimes with how i dont waste anything. No, instead its sad looking shwag. So i started lollypopping. What i do is hollow out those crap nugs, take off lower branches that produce crap anyway, and blamo! The rest of the plant now enjoys the root system even more than before because the crap i dont want isnt being babysat by the roots anymore. Instead those roots send all the nutrients they are now over produceing....right to where i want them. The fan leaves that are working the most efficiantly to bonerize my plant with gigantic buds. And when their done i notice an increase in bud size. From my scientific control.
My control is my first grow with every strain i run. Evey new plant gets a trial run. No messing with it, just letter go. When its done and ive stared at it man times when im medicated and in the bloom room, ill decide on how to lollypop its future runs. It may not be the bottom third, it may be the center only. Theres one strain i run where i lolly pop it so minamally its hardly noticeable because the profitable material runs all the way down to the bottom. She is an exception though. Most need trimming up.
So theres science for ya, control, observation, action, observation, hypothesis. The only thing im missing is grant money, proposals, edditors, and publishing in a scientific marijuana journal.
It seems like you anti pruners always scream wheres the science because you know its not available. Nobody studies marijuana in acadimia because its illegal and theres no funding for illegal study. But fuck, if almost every other plant gets pruned then why wouldnt pot get it too. Is it some alien species? And im still waiting for you and Ben to make an appearance on the SCROG thread and tell all those guys that the plant will naturally drop its leaves and theres no worries, just leave it alone and become a believer...come to the dark side (get it? Under the untrimmed canopy ).
When the difference between making sales is based on smell and size of the buds then ill do everything i can to make sure both of these things are at maximum potential. After all, ive already told you that theres no reason that anyone should loose over a hundred dollars a zip due to produceing scrag and selling scrag, when the production weight isnt impacted by lolly popping by that same ratio of money loss between grades. Do the math yourself and youll see im right.

Please stop using term like "the science that I conduct" and "my scientific control" because you don't understand anything you are saying. Having worked for a paneled research biologist it is clear that you don't know the first thing about setting up a controlled experiment. You are just another internet circle puppet repeating bullshit because it makes you feel knowledgeable and feelings aren't science.

 

[chuck estevez]

Please stop using term like "the science that I conduct" and "my scientific control" because you don't understand anything you are saying. Having worked for a paneled research biologist it is clear that you don't know the first thing about setting up a controlled experiment. You are just another internet circle puppet repeating bullshit because it makes you feel knowledgeable and feelings aren't science.

Sure it is, It's FEELGOOD BRO SCIENCE.

 

[chuck estevez]

 

[DCobeen]

Sounds like you all need to do side by side grows to compare and prove it 1 way or the other. I would love to see that from you all who are so adamant in your ways. Science is the known not the unknown that is why science keeps changing and growing.

 

[Doer]

You scoff at my science huh? My tests dont make sence to you? Grow a plant, make changes, observe changes, draw a conclusion. We all made the same conclusion or there wouldnt be so many of us that do it lol. And screaming? Theres not even an exclamation mark in my post. I wrote the whole thing chuckling to myself

So you claim that advanced marijuana growing is not indoor growing? Cause im pretty sure that theres way more complicated indoor grows with hydro systems and aquaponics, really indoor growing in general is more technical than out door growing. I mean outdoor....veg some plants and put them outside lol. Indoor aquaponics..........making sure your fish dont escape is way harder than holding a hose in a greenhouse dont you think?

I love how you say we when you say were anti nothing, except your anti lolly popping and so if my claim is unproven then is yours proven? Wheres your scientific data on my OG kush plants? Where does it say that OG kush is frostier if you dont lolly pop it indoor?

Oh and btw, ive tried your claim that if you remove the tops and let the popcorn grow and it will be better pffffff! It sucked!i didnt lolly pop a run and i took off all the top stuff which was good. Then i let the bottom grow. It changed color, the strain had purple hues to it and the colors came out more. It went from yellow lime green, to purple and darker. Bit it was not very good at all. Im being honest with you, it sucked. I actually think i have some left from a year ago to be honest. It was my most embarrassing jars ever. That may have actually been the turning point where i changed my perspective on lolly popping.

Also Doer, when you say that juicers get more tons of apples than whole apple guys its not basic botany, its basic capitalism. And i listen to capitalists over anyone else cause we live in a capitalist society. So if science says there will be a little more THC but lots of smaller buds, then keep that science and sell it to Camel cigarettes cause theyre going to need it when their selling us prerolled, till then ill use my science to grow faaaat nuuuugs!

You are an idiot, blowhard, but you are our idiot. ...our own idiot that is not listening, a bit.

Good night, Princess. Survey your kingdom and take a caulk. Your religious dominion is safe in your mind, you anti-capitalist. There is your problem right there.

The Capital standing of the Giant Thinkers have brought us Science, just not to your mind, alas.

 

[Doer]

1. Yes. That's not science, it's bullshit.

2. No. That's not how it's done.

3. Of course, now that's some real science.

4. A thousand flies on a pile of shit can't be wrong.

4 - No, they are correct. It is horseshit, alright.

 

[Doer]

Technique is not science, and science is not technique.

Please make a note.

 

[Cannasutraorganics]

Thanks for showing your intelligence, ROFLMFAO

30% More Yield: Indoor Pot Grow Advice
BY ERIK BIKSA · SAT NOV 09, 2013

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“Those big, light-blocking leaves on my pot plants, should I pluck them off so the rest of the plant gets more light and air?"

Most growers think that removing one or two big leaves is okay, especially since removal of the large ones allows other parts of the plant to produce bigger sticky buds. But then again, those big home-grown solar panels are gathering energy for the plant. Removing them is like cutting off a source of energy for growth.

Recently, while visiting one of the more skilled growers I have met in my travels, I asked the secret for getting consistent quality and big yields from top to bottom on very-tall indoor plants. I was told that plucking leaves was key. Turns out the answer has more to do with when rather than yes or no.

With OG Kush crops, after about four weeks into the bud cycle, the growers almost completely defoliated the big, beautiful leafy plants. Seeing the before and after, I was a little shocked (“what are these guys smoking?”): Big, healthy bushes stripped to sticks with just a few fan leaves, but with all of the budding sites intact.

Yet, when they showed me a section that had been treated this way and was now ready to harvest, it became clear that there was a method to what appears as madness.

Not all strains will respond favorably to this method, but all of the tested Kush strains and indica-dominant strains responded very well, sometimes giving up to 30% more yield. Seriously. Some Sativa hybrids respond well too, although they typically need to have fewer fan leaves removed. When in doubt, test a plant or two before subjecting a whole crop to any kind of plucking.

Why Does Plucking Work? Here's The Deal:

In nature, by the fourth week of bloom, cannabis plants are not likely to have a full rack of fan leaves intact. They are persistently leafy only when grown indoors, because of the favorable conditions and high level of nutrition that marijuana growers provide crops.

In a natural setting the lower leaves are exhausted of their nutrient reserves, which have been channelled by the plant into the budding sites. The leaves drop off on their own, especially as nitrogen becomes depleted in the soil.

By the fourth week of bloom in a nine-week budding cycle, Kush and Indica dominant plants don't really seem to use those fan leaves anyway, even when indoors. Growers needn't worry about nutrient reserves; there's plenty available right at the roots.

By removing the big leaves, the canopy opens and breathes a second wind into the crop.

Because more light reaches all parts of the plant and humidity isn't trapped in the canopy, you will see bigger, harder and frostier nugs at harvest time. Buds swell up almost overnight, because the roots can now channel more juice into buds and there is no foliage to rob the bud of fluid.

Do pluck all at once: not a little here and there. While it does shock the plant, healthy plants recover virtually overnight; especially if you follow up with a feeding of vitamins and trace minerals (post-surgery feeding).

Also note that plucking one or two leaves off in veg to open up the canopy isn’t a bad idea either; but save the major pull for after all the budding sites have formed.

Tough love can be hard at first; but when you see the results you won't look back.

 

[Cannasutraorganics]

Thanks for showing your intelligence, ROFLMFAO

Any other stupid comebacks???