We are doctors and there is absolutely nothing to worry about...

NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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What do you think will happen if an outbreak happens in South America and they think that if they get to America they are safe? Or that somehow America has the cure? You can read about people cured in America...

Skip the ebola, the mass of refugees would be a public health disaster.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Doer said:
You are full of shit if you think there is anything we can do.

Texas let that guy die by a simply administrative foul up, to send him home to fester and vector. Liberia issued a warrant for him for knowingly having contact with an Ebola death and not reporting that.

BUT HE DID NOT. They only found out she had Ebola after he left. He never knew that. So even that warrant was a foul up.

That is our only risk here and it is a big one. Moving "faster" just increases the risk of foul up of doom. Don't you watch Zombie movies?

It is always the local, not National response that fouls it up.

BTW, I am not political, nor do I take sides.

I simply regulate the chumps here on RIU. How are your Zits? That's Obama's fault.
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Yes, we are bringing and/or allowing people who have Ebola into our general populace... Ooops, there is nothing we can do... Bullshit....

It is a perfect example of what I described in the original post. Our arrogance of the disease has lead to another doctor in this country catching EBOLA despite what they tell us. They are releasing people with EBOLA into our population by mistake... Oops...

Why are we letting them into the country in the first place? Everyone keeps talking about compassion for single individuals while ignoring the public health at large.
 
Doer

Doer

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Wilksey said:
I don't agree with that, dude. There's quite a few courses of action that could be implemented to increase our security from that fooked up disease.

Not INTENTIONALLY bringing infected people onto our HOMELAND would be a good start. Barring flights to and from infected areas and quarantining and screening incoming personnel that could be at risk wouldn't be a bad idea either.

However, we can't even keep 13 year old Mexicans from sneaking into our nation, so....
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Right. There are things that we can try but there is nothing we can do.
 
Doer

Doer

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NLXSK1 said:
Yes, we are bringing and/or allowing people who have Ebola into our general populace... Ooops, there is nothing we can do... Bullshit....

It is a perfect example of what I described in the original post. Our arrogance of the disease has lead to another doctor in this country catching EBOLA despite what they tell us. They are releasing people with EBOLA into our population by mistake... Oops...

Why are we letting them into the country in the first place? Everyone keeps talking about compassion for single individuals while ignoring the public health at large.
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You suddenly want a Nanny State.
 
Doer

Doer

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natro.hydro said:
Or they lied and said she was not breaking any picedure when she obviously must have, that hospital just doesnt want to look any stupider thsn they already dude for sebding the guy home. What does the cdc stand to gain by misinforming the how you contract ebola? Absolutely nothing... now what does the hospital have to gain to coverthis up? I feel like they would do anything to not let athemaelves seem more incompetent than they already are...
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Occam Razor says there are lies about the procedures, not an un-told heath risk. You can get this thing pretty easy, it seems. Witnesses I heard myself, said they were spraying off stuff on the outside of the balcony as if they were just cleaning up a dirty apt..

Sure, those suits are 100% if you use them 100% correctly. And, yet, I am not surprised that one of the workers got it. But, I think some on the street that watched may in trouble, too.

They didn't even bother to cordon off. It was just a local HAZMAT set of yahoos, with a fancy truck. They were, obviously, not qualified, for a Level 4 Bio-hazard.

It is never the National Response that is the problem. The borders are porous. Millions a week come in from abroad, quite legally. We are just too stupid over here. All the Response in TX has been bad so far. The general reaction on RIU has been bad, so far, imo.

Just plain dumb will kill us.
 
natro.hydro

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Atleast the airline workers are erealizing they are putting themselves in harms way without having the proper equip socthey are striking. They should batten down the hatches tho, shit is no joke given the mortality rate of thoae infected.
 
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schuylaar

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Occam Razor says there are lies about the procedures, not an un-told heath risk. You can get this thing pretty easy, it seems. Witnesses I heard myself, said they were spraying off stuff on the outside of the balcony as if they were just cleaning up a dirty apt..

Sure, those suits are 100% if you use them 100% correctly. And, yet, I am not surprised that one of the workers got it. But, I think some on the street that watched may in trouble, too.

They didn't even bother to cordon off. It was just a local HAZMAT set of yahoos, with a fancy truck. They were, obviously, not qualified, for a Level 4 Bio-hazard.

It is never the National Response that is the problem. The borders are porous. Millions a week come in from abroad, quite legally. We are just too stupid over here. All the Response in TX has been bad so far. The general reaction on RIU has been bad, so far, imo.

Just plain dumb will kill us.
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really..you have to wonder WTF IS THE CDC ON THIS?

why are they allowing "regular" people with a junior hazmat kit to deal with this?
 
Doer

Doer

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ginwilly said:
Cuba sent Doctors into Liberia, we sent troops.

Can we blame Obama for that? We send med pros to the middle east by the hundreds every 6 months, we send troops by the hundreds to a disease torn area. Make sense to anyone who is not a fervent nut swinger?
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Are you trying to say that Cuba has more Doctors there than we do? NO WAY.

Think man. We didn't send "Troops." What is over there is a near Si-Fi level of Military contagious disease field research stations, and not just the US. The French have a big stake and have deploy $millions in research field equipment, staff and security, as well.

This is no joke and it has nothing to do with politics. Or do you think we should just hunker down and wait for the world to die before it gets to us?

I think even you would like a vaccine by then. :)

Thanks Obama.
 
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Wilksey

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Right. There are things that we can try but there is nothing we can do.
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I've never managed to "do" anything without "trying", and "trying" to keep that shit out of our nation is about as important as anything we've ever done IMO.
 
BarnBuster

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Laurie Garrett, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and current senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations, wrote in The Washington Post on October 11 that,

“Hubris is the greatest danger in wealthy countries — a sort of smug assumption that advanced technologies and emergency-preparedness plans guarantee that Ebola and other germs will not spread. And it is hubris that causes politicians to routinely slash public health budgets every time the microbes seem under control, only to cry out in desperation when a new epidemic appears.”
 
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The Dallas home of the female nurse who has tested positive for Ebola has been sealed off with police standing guard outside. The nurse, who works at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, was part of a team caring for Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan who died from the virus last week.

Her identity has not been released - Dr. Daniel Varga, of the Texas Health Resources, said during a news conference Sunday the worker and her family have 'requested total privacy.' Varga said a 'close contact' of the nurse has been 'proactively' placed in isolation.

A dog was reportedly inside the patient's apartment on Marquita Avenue, which Rawlings assured is showing no symptoms of Ebola and will be taken care of. (Whoops, bye bye Fluffy)

Dallas Mayor Mike Rawling said the hazardous materials unit of the Dallas Fire Department has cleaned up and decontaminated the shared areas of her apartment complex.

In Dallas, there was a yellow hazardous material drum on the lawn of the brick apartment where the Texas health worker lived and information pamphlets about the Ebola virus were stuffed in the doors in the surrounding blocks of the apartment.

Neighbor Cliff Lawson, 57, said he was woken at 6:00 a.m. by two Dallas police officers who told him 'don't panic.' 'I went back to bed after that. There's nothing you can do about it. You can't wrap your house in bubble wrap,' Lawson said.

'Handing out a piece of paper with a link to the Centers for Disease Control, or telling nurses just to look at the CDC website – as we have heard some hospitals are doing – is not preparedness,' said Bonnie Castillo, a registered nurse and senior official with National Nurses United.

They said without a landline they missed the calls and no-one had knocked on their door or left any notifications.

Lutley told Dallas News: 'It's hard because it's her privacy and you don't want to broadcast her name all over the world because she's sick, but it's a fine line.

Shared areas outside her building such as hand railings have been decontaminated
 
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Doer

Doer

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Wilksey said:
I've never managed to "do" anything without "trying", and "trying" to keep that shit out of our nation is about as important as anything we've ever done IMO.
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Not when that won't do anything but cause more disruption and send the disease here more surely. There is no way to close the borders without having a giant world panic to get here, before and after they close by ANY MEANS. So, we can think through the exactness of the stupidity of humans, or rely on our wish for good behavior.

BTW, do you know how many die of Flu each year?

We have no idea of that even. There is nothing that can be done, until we get a lot more prepared than just shutting down flights and acting all Rush Limbaugh about it.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm
CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people. Death certificate data and weekly influenza virus surveillance information was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death was listed as respiratory or circulatory disease on their death certificate.
 
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Wilksey

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BTW, do you know how many die of Flu each year?
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The mortality rate of the flu is low compared to the infection rate, and the fatalities usually involve the very young or very old. Most healthy teens and adults can shrug that shit right off.

Ebola, though? Not so much.

Ebola has a HIGH fatality rate compared to the rate of infection, however, if the infection rate was comparable to the flu, then I'd say we'd be proper fucked. I'm willing to concede that the mortality rate is "artificially" high due to the fact that most of the people in the world that get that shit are in Africa, which is a notorious shit hole bereft of the sanitation and medical infrastructure we in the west take for granted, however, I'm willing to bet that it would give any first world nation a run for their money, including the U.S..

We DO have the ability to reduce the risk to our nation, and that's what our dumb ass government should be doing, including barring access, quarantining and screening individuals from beyond our borders.
 
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