Going to Try Organics again, Need a Mix that I dont have to cook...epsoma?

[toomp]

Can I just use epsoma kelp, tomato tone, ewc, peat, sneak a little bit of guano in there and some mushroom compost and plant right in it?
I just want to mix it all in the soil.

I cant make teas

I cant use chems

I cant find a mix without cooking but yet it has to be water only

 

[foreverflyhi]

sounds like your in a bad situation to grow, or don't have patience and or time to wait, organic done right takes time for best results.

But to answer your question, yes you can, but you would have to cut bat guano, and tomatoes tone, the rest (except compost and ewc) needs to be added very lightly, if at all if u cant cook.

I would suggest quality base mix with EXTRA quality ewc and compost AND ROCK DUST, keep the soil alive with companion cropping, cut down companions for extra nutrient and mulch (biodynamics). Ive done this for veg, but then transplanted for flower. Or you can layer like super soil, bottom layer should be with the (light)amendments. Top layer, quality ewc compost and base mix(not sure if it will work tho)

may I ask why you cant aact? does this involve all other teas?

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Can I just use epsoma kelp, tomato tone, ewc, peat, sneak a little bit of guano in there and some mushroom compost and plant right in it?
I just want to mix it all in the soil.

I cant make teas

I cant use chems

I cant find a mix without cooking but yet it has to be water only

also why does it need to be water only? If you have guano and EWC you can topdress...
It seems to me that you may be better off buying a commercial soil (blasphemy!)
im kidding, that's what i'd do, buy a good commercial "organic" soil, i use parentheses because its a lil hard to find. Fpx farm, Roots, Ocean forest, Happy frog, roots 707, vermifrire, vermisoil. I'd recommend vermifire if you can get it, i've done that soil and personally can vouch for it. I even did a run with zero food added, small yields but grew just fine. Just can't skimp on the size of the container.
I've used all the soils mentioned but i think the vermifire is the best, plus it has volcanic rock, which i love for re-using.

 

[toomp]

also why does it need to be water only? If you have guano and EWC you can topdress...
It seems to me that you may be better off buying a commercial soil (blasphemy!)
im kidding, that's what i'd do, buy a good commercial "organic" soil, i use parentheses because its a lil hard to find. Fpx farm, Roots, Ocean forest, Happy frog, roots 707, vermifrire, vermisoil. I'd recommend vermifire if you can get it, i've done that soil and personally can vouch for it. I even did a run with zero food added, small yields but grew just fine. Just can't skimp on the size of the container.
I've used all the soils mentioned but i think the vermifire is the best, plus it has volcanic rock, which i love for re-using.

Hey thanks for your reply.

I said water only because I can only get to it once A week
Bags will run to much.

Top dressing is An option how much would i need to top dress high p guano ?

I didn't consider it because I thought it would make the soil hot, take a quarter century to break down yada yada ya

33% peat 33% shroom post/EWC 33% rice hulls

Top dress guano, kelp
I guess i can leave tomato tone out?

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Hey thanks for your reply.

I said water only because I can only get to it once A week
Bags will run to much.

Top dressing is An option how much would i need to top dress high p guano ?

I didn't consider it because I thought it would make the soil hot, take a quarter century to break down yada yada ya

33% peat 33% shroom post/EWC 33% rice hulls

Top dress guano, kelp
I guess i can leave tomato tone out?

hmmm, kinda scary... only checking up on it once a week leaves a HUGE area for shit to happen, in seven days you can go from one mite to thousands if not millions....
Your question for the topdressing of high P is hard to answer, more often than not, the actual deficiency in most mixes is nitrogen, a properly mixed organic soil usually has enough phosphorus to last a grow, what i'd do is use rabbit manure and EWC as your topdress. the rabbit manure has enough NPK to cover any issues, and it's cool enough to not hurt your plants either.
If you cant find rabbit or alpaca manure than i'd use guanos.
you can use the tomato tone if you want, I just haven't personally so I couldn't vouch for its effectiveness. Typically if you get a all-purpose organic boxed fert, i'd look at one designed for either roses or tomatoes.

 

[toomp]

hmmm, kinda scary... only checking up on it once a week leaves a HUGE area for shit to happen, in seven days you can go from one mite to thousands if not millions....
Your question for the topdressing of high P is hard to answer, more often than not, the actual deficiency in most mixes is nitrogen, a properly mixed organic soil usually has enough phosphorus to last a grow, what i'd do is use rabbit manure and EWC as your topdress. the rabbit manure has enough NPK to cover any issues, and it's cool enough to not hurt your plants either.
If you cant find rabbit or alpaca manure than i'd use guanos.
you can use the tomato tone if you want, I just haven't personally so I couldn't vouch for its effectiveness. Typically if you get a all-purpose organic boxed fert, i'd look at one designed for either roses or tomatoes.

we dont have mite issues worms yes. I might spray them with some dr. boom(or whatever its calld) mixed in with some protekt and fox farm flower kiss.
I have plenty of rabbit droppings/pellets. How much to mix in the soil?
good news I just may be able to cook my mix but I know I could have a issue with keeping temps right in the process
but if I have unlimited acess to the droppings is that even necessary? or anything else mixed in for that matter?
peat lime and rabbit shit?



my concern was some folks plants not fading at then due to high N
tell me what you think

 

[Pattahabi]

Can I just use epsoma kelp, tomato tone, ewc, peat, sneak a little bit of guano in there and some mushroom compost and plant right in it?
I just want to mix it all in the soil.

I cant make teas

I cant use chems

I cant find a mix without cooking but yet it has to be water only

You're in luck! No 'cooking' time necessary!

30% High quality humus material, and this is really the key to quick usage imo. Look for good vermicompost or ewc.
30% Pumice, scoria, lava rock (can add 5-10% Rice hulls)
40% Sphagnum Peat Moss

Amendments per cu ft’
1/2c Crab Meal
1/2c Kelp Meal
1/2c Neem Meal (Ahimsa if possible)
1/4c Gypsum
1/4c Oyster Shell
4c Basalt, Granite, or GRD

Dat's it! Just tested out the no cooking time with a friend. Worked like a charm! I'd leave the alfalfa out of the mix if you are going to use the soil quick. Add it in a tea later.

Peace!
P-

 

[toomp]

sounds like your in a bad situation to grow, or don't have patience and or time to wait, organic done right takes time for best results.

But to answer your question, yes you can, but you would have to cut bat guano, and tomatoes tone, the rest (except compost and ewc) needs to be added very lightly, if at all if u cant cook.

I would suggest quality base mix with EXTRA quality ewc and compost AND ROCK DUST, keep the soil alive with companion cropping, cut down companions for extra nutrient and mulch (biodynamics). Ive done this for veg, but then transplanted for flower. Or you can layer like super soil, bottom layer should be with the (light)amendments. Top layer, quality ewc compost and base mix(not sure if it will work tho)

may I ask why you cant aact? does this involve all other teas?

I don't have pumps or stones for teas And dont want to hear the wife bitch about boiling shit in the kitchen

 

[Pattahabi]

I don't have pumps or stones for teas And dont want to hear the wife bitch about boiling shit in the kitchen

Hmmm... wife or plants? I know which one I would keep around!

P-

 

[greasemonkeymann]

we dont have mite issues worms yes. I might spray them with some dr. boom(or whatever its calld) mixed in with some protekt and fox farm flower kiss.
I have plenty of rabbit droppings/pellets. How much to mix in the soil?
good news I just may be able to cook my mix but I know I could have a issue with keeping temps right in the process
but if I have unlimited acess to the droppings is that even necessary? or anything else mixed in for that matter?
peat lime and rabbit shit?



my concern was some folks plants not fading at then due to high N
tell me what you think

with a soil that has all the other recommend amendments, i'd go light on the rabbit manure, like one cup per cubic foot, and I like to mash it and mix it with the EWC prior to mixing it in the soil, seems to keep it thoroughly mixed, I've seen that if I don't mash it the roots don't seem to like the rabbit poo-pellets, they go around them, but if I mash them the whole friggin container is a rootball-mass, airpots rule, and using myco each transplant is a reason alone to transplant. Some people don't like to transplant very often but I have a denser root-mass when I work my way up to the bigger pots.
keep in mind, plants are sorta like people, you don't want to feed them just one item, they need a broad "diet" of nutrients. So on that note, rabbit manure can and will grow plants as a sole food-source, but you'll grow nicer plants with NO issues with micros and such using the ingredients that we all suggested (kelp meal, neem meal, crab meal, rock dusts, etc, etc)

 

[toomp]

with a soil that has all the other recommend amendments, i'd go light on the rabbit manure, like one cup per cubic foot, and I like to mash it and mix it with the EWC prior to mixing it in the soil, seems to keep it thoroughly mixed, I've seen that if I don't mash it the roots don't seem to like the rabbit poo-pellets, they go around them, but if I mash them the whole friggin container is a rootball-mass, airpots rule, and using myco each transplant is a reason alone to transplant. Some people don't like to transplant very often but I have a denser root-mass when I work my way up to the bigger pots.
keep in mind, plants are sorta like people, you don't want to feed them just one item, they need a broad "diet" of nutrients. So on that note, rabbit manure can and will grow plants as a sole food-source, but you'll grow nicer plants with NO issues with micros and such using the ingredients that we all suggested (kelp meal, neem meal, crab meal, rock dusts, etc, etc)

I would like to use what I have to replace what may Have needed to get.
Rabbit manure will replace what out of the mix? I know alpha meal What else can i cut out of my mix if im using rabbit poop?

I want to use Least ingidients possible.

I think gone use high p guano still extremely light

 

[toomp]

Hmmm... wife or plants? I know which one I would keep around!

P-

Looool

 

[toomp]

You're in luck! No 'cooking' time necessary!

30% High quality humus material, and this is really the key to quick usage imo. Look for good vermicompost or ewc.
30% Pumice, scoria, lava rock (can add 5-10% Rice hulls)
40% Sphagnum Peat Moss

Amendments per cu ft’
1/2c Crab Meal
1/2c Kelp Meal
1/2c Neem Meal (Ahimsa if possible)
1/4c Gypsum
1/4c Oyster Shell
4c Basalt, Granite, or GRD

Dat's it! Just tested out the no cooking time with a friend. Worked like a charm! I'd leave the alfalfa out of the mix if you are going to use the soil quick. Add it in a tea later.

Peace!
P-

Can I sub the rocks for very very light guano and oyster shell for dolo lime? Can't find the oysters

 

[Pattahabi]

Can I sub the rocks for very very light guano and oyster shell for dolo lime? Can't find the oysters

If you find the gypsum, that would be enough. A small amount of lime would be ok, but not ideal. Bat guano would not be related the rock dust. Go to the local landscape yard, and get some crusher fines.

P-

 

[vostok]

Can I just use epsoma kelp, tomato tone, ewc, peat, sneak a little bit of guano in there and some mushroom compost and plant right in it?
I just want to mix it all in the soil.

I cant make teas

I cant use chems

I cant find a mix without cooking but yet it has to be water only

You need to look closer at yourself
find the real reason
why you can't settle on a
method
a change of attitude
might be on order?​

 

[toomp]

You need to look closer at yourself
find the real reason
why you can't settle on a
method
a change of attitude
might be on order?​

look closer in the 1st post
"Can't use chems";

 

[Liddle]

lol just buy weed seems far easier..........

 

[toomp]

You're in luck! No 'cooking' time necessary!

30% High quality humus material, and this is really the key to quick usage imo. Look for good vermicompost or ewc.
30% Pumice, scoria, lava rock (can add 5-10% Rice hulls)
40% Sphagnum Peat Moss

Amendments per cu ft’
1/2c Crab Meal
1/2c Kelp Meal
1/2c Neem Meal (Ahimsa if possible)
1/4c Gypsum
1/4c Oyster Shell
4c Basalt, Granite, or GRD

Dat's it! Just tested out the no cooking time with a friend. Worked like a charm! I'd leave the alfalfa out of the mix if you are going to use the soil quick. Add it in a tea later.

Peace!
P-

got everything including gypsum, but the Basalt needs to be ordered. My store has Azomite, do I need to order the Basalt or should I use the Basalt?

 

[toomp]

with a soil that has all the other recommend amendments, i'd go light on the rabbit manure, like one cup per cubic foot, and I like to mash it and mix it with the EWC prior to mixing it in the soil, seems to keep it thoroughly mixed, I've seen that if I don't mash it the roots don't seem to like the rabbit poo-pellets, they go around them, but if I mash them the whole friggin container is a rootball-mass, airpots rule, and using myco each transplant is a reason alone to transplant. Some people don't like to transplant very often but I have a denser root-mass when I work my way up to the bigger pots.
keep in mind, plants are sorta like people, you don't want to feed them just one item, they need a broad "diet" of nutrients. So on that note, rabbit manure can and will grow plants as a sole food-source, but you'll grow nicer plants with NO issues with micros and such using the ingredients that we all suggested (kelp meal, neem meal, crab meal, rock dusts, etc, etc)

I got wiggle worm castings I heard its crap but I suppose i can go find something else.
I do Have Lobster compost maybe an offset of not so great EWC?

 

[toomp]

sounds like your in a bad situation to grow, or don't have patience and or time to wait, organic done right takes time for best results.

But to answer your question, yes you can, but you would have to cut bat guano, and tomatoes tone, the rest (except compost and ewc) needs to be added very lightly, if at all if u cant cook.

I would suggest quality base mix with EXTRA quality ewc and compost AND ROCK DUST, keep the soil alive with companion cropping, cut down companions for extra nutrient and mulch (biodynamics). Ive done this for veg, but then transplanted for flower. Or you can layer like super soil, bottom layer should be with the (light)amendments. Top layer, quality ewc compost and base mix(not sure if it will work tho)

may I ask why you cant aact? does this involve all other teas?

I went right past rock dust by epsoma I think it was maybe rock phosphate cant remember but i did see azomite.
What EWC you use?