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AquariusPanta

Well-Known Member
Should I account for the total time invested from my previous 'rides' also,
or just from the current one ?

:bigjoint:

I like your style Stars. I haven't watched any Beehicks in awhile.

If you mean rides as in lives, uh, I suppose this one. You seem to know a bunch about all of this and knowledge of this sort doesn't come to one in a single dream, nor after hundreds.

Anyhow, keep rolling along as you were :blsmoke:
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
Cree CXA3070 3000°K 93-95 CRI ( Bin : Y2 ) Analysis.

CXA3070-0000-000N0YY230

-CCT: 3000°K
-CRI: 93-95
-
max If : 2800mA
-Driving modes : HE =1400 mA , NM= 2100 mA ,HO= 2800 mA
-max Tc : 85°C
-full Vf range (min:105°C,300mA /max :25°C ,2800mA ) : 32.5-41.5 VDC

Spectrum:
cxahigh.JPG


- Estimated LER **380 nm -780 nm ** = 276,7 lm/Wφ
-Excitation peak (die) λ0= 455-456 nm / .735 Rel. to 1
-Emission peak (phosphor) λ1= ( 626-631 nm ) typ.628 nm ( 1 )
- 642 nm ChB peak .Rel. to 1 = .963
- 662 nm ChA peak .Rel. to 1 = .803
-Stokes shift = 172-173 nm

Band power distribution :
400-499 nm : 12.82 %
500-599 nm : 34.22 %
600-699 nm : 44.61 %
700-780 nm : 8.33%

Photobiology parameters
-R:FR (660:730) = 4.049
-PPE ( PPS ) = 0.626
-Pfr : Pr = 1.676
-Pr : Pfr = 0.597
-YPF / PPF = 81.99 %
-Quanta per Radiant Watt = 4.91 umol

Math model Estimation Analysis #1 : ( for single C.O.B. unit ,)
Tc = 45°C ,If = 1400 mA ( HE 50% ) ,Vf = 37.18 VDC ,L = 5133.5 lm ,LumEff = 98.6 lm/W
PWR Dis = 52.055 W
Φο (Radiant Output Power ) = 18.553 W
Heat Pwr = 33.5 W
Radiant Efficiency = 35.64% ( .3564 )
Quantum Efficiency = 1.75 umol/J
Quantum Flux (380-780 nm ) = 91.06 umol/sec

Math model Estimation Analysis #2 : ( for single C.O.B. unit ,)
Tc = 55°C ,If = 2100 mA ( NM 75% ) ,Vf = 39.23 VDC ,L = 6838 lm ,LumEff = 83 lm/W

PWR Dis = 82.373 W
Φο (Radiant Output Power ) =24.713 W
Heat Pwr = 57.66 W
Radiant Efficiency = 30 % ( .3 )
Quantum Efficiency = 1.47 umol/J
Quantum Flux (380-780 nm ) = 121.3 umol/sec
 
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stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
Cree CXA3070 3000°K 80 CRI ( Bin : AB ) Analysis.

CXA3070-0000-000N00AB30

-CCT: 3000°K
-CRI: 80
-
max If : 2800mA
-Driving modes : HE =1400 mA , NM= 2100 mA ,HO= 2800 mA
-max Tc : 85°C
-full Vf range (min:105°C,300mA /max :25°C ,2800mA ) : 32.5-41.5 VDC

Spectrum:
cxa3070 80cri3.JPG
digi2cxa38.JPG


- Estimated LER **380 nm -780 nm ** = 327.7 lm/Wφ
-LER provided by manufacturer = 325 lm/Wφ
-Excitation peak (die) λ0= 454 nm / .485 Rel. to 1
-Emission peak (phosphor) λ1= 602 nm ( 1 )
- 642 nm ChB peak .Rel. to 1 = .703
- 662 nm ChA peak .Rel. to 1 = .469
-Stokes shift = 148 nm

Band power distribution :
400-499 nm : 10.6%
500-599 nm : 41.37 %
600-699 nm : 43.71 %
700-780 nm : 4.3%

Photobiology parameters
-R:FR (660:730) = 6.305
-PPE ( PPS )= 0.659
-Pfr : Pr = 1.931
-Pr : Pfr = 0.518
-YPF / PPF = 86.55 %
-Quanta per Radiant Watt = 4.87 umol

Math model Estimation Analysis #1 : ( for single C.O.B. unit ,)
Tc = 45°C ,If = 1400 mA ( HE 50% ) ,Vf = 37.18 VDC ,L = 6786.1 lm ,LumEff = 130.36 lm/W

PWR Dis = 52.055 W
Φο (Radiant Output Power ) = 20.88 W
Heat Pwr = 31.17 W
Radiant Efficiency = 40.11 % ( .4011 )
Quantum Efficiency = 1.95 umol/J
Quantum Flux (380-780 nm ) = 101.6 umol/sec

Math model Estimation Analysis #2 : ( for single C.O.B. unit ,)
Tc = 55°C ,If = 2100 mA ( NM 75% ) ,Vf = 39.23 VDC ,L = 9039.4 lm ,LumEff = 109.74 lm/W

PWR Dis = 82.373 W
Φο (Radiant Output Power ) =27.814 W
Heat Pwr = 54.56 W
Radiant Efficiency = 33.77 % ( .3377 )
Quantum Efficiency = 1.64 umol/J
Quantum Flux (380-780 nm ) = 135.33 umol/sec
 
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AquariusPanta

Well-Known Member
Cree CXA3070 3000°K 80 CRI ( Bin : AB ) Analysis.

CXA3070-0000-000N00AB30

-CCT: 3000°K
-CRI: 80
-
max If : 2800mA
-Driving modes : HE =1400 mA , NM= 2100 mA ,HO= 2800 mA
-max Tc : 85°C
-full Vf range (min:105°C,300mA /max :25°C ,2800mA ) : 32.5-41.5 VDC

Spectrum:
View attachment 3280422
View attachment 3280423


- Estimated LER **380 nm -780 nm ** = 327.7 lm/Wφ
-LER provided by manufacturer = 325 lm/Wφ
-Excitation peak (die) λ0= 454 nm / .485 Rel. to 1
-Emission peak (phosphor) λ1= 602 nm ( 1 )
- 642 nm ChB peak .Rel. to 1 = .703
- 662 nm ChA peak .Rel. to 1 = .469
-Stokes shift = 148 nm

Band power distribution :
400-499 nm : 10.6%
500-599 nm : 41.37 %
600-699 nm : 43.71 %
700-780 nm : 4.3%

Photobiology parameters
-R:FR (660:730) = 6.305
-PPE /PPS = 0.659
-Pfr : Pr = 1.931
-Pr : Pfr = 0.518
-YPF / PPF = 86.55 %
-Quanta per Radiant Watt = 4.87 umol

Math model Estimation Analysis #1 : ( for single C.O.B. unit ,)
Tc = 45°C ,If = 1400 mA ( HE 50% ) ,Vf = 37.18 VDC ,L = 6786.1 lm ,LumEff = 130.36 lm/W

PWR Dis = 52.055 W
Φο (Radiant Output Power ) = 20.88 W
Heat Pwr = 31.17 W
Radiant Efficiency = 40.11 % ( .4011 )
Quantum Efficiency = 1.95 umol/J
Quantum Flux (380-780 nm ) = 101.6 umol/sec

Math model Estimation Analysis #2 : ( for single C.O.B. unit ,)
Tc = 55°C ,If = 2100 mA ( NM 75% ) ,Vf = 39.23 VDC ,L = 9039.4 lm ,LumEff = 109.74 lm/W

PWR Dis = 82.373 W
Φο (Radiant Output Power ) =27.814 W
Heat Pwr = 54.56 W
Radiant Efficiency = 33.77 % ( .3377 )
Quantum Efficiency = 1.64 umol/J
Quantum Flux (380-780 nm ) = 135.33 umol/sec
Based on the diagrams, I would choose the CRI 93 (3k) but after comparing the four analyses, I'd have to ask you for insight.

With the 93 CRI, you get less green and more blue and infrared (~3-5%), which is good in my book. Also, the 93 CRI peaks at 630nm, while the 80CRI spikes around 600nm. However, the different estimates lead me to believe that the 80 CRI performs at a higher efficiency, thus begs the question: what do you make of all of this?
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
Based on the diagrams, I would choose the CRI 93 (3k) but after comparing the four analyses, I'd have to ask you for insight.

With the 93 CRI, you get less green and more blue and infrared (~3-5%), which is good in my book. Also, the 93 CRI peaks at 630nm, while the 80CRI spikes around 600nm. However, the different estimates lead me to believe that the 80 CRI performs at a higher efficiency, thus begs the question: what do you make of all of this?
(...)

I'm bettin' that those high CRI 3000°K are really " bud-swellers" ...
Althought pretty 'unefficient' comparing to their 80 CRI counterparts ...


blah...blah...blah....


Thus ,that kind of white light (<= high CRI ) should be utilised after the mid of flowering ,towards the end of sensimilla's ..reproductive (!) .... cycle .

(...)
 

AquariusPanta

Well-Known Member
(...)

I'm bettin' that those high CRI 3000°K are really " bud-swellers" ...
Althought pretty 'unefficient' comparing to their 80 CRI counterparts ...

blah...blah...blah....

Thus ,that kind of white light (<= high CRI ) should be utilised after the mid of flowering ,towards the end of sensimilla's ..reproductive (!) .... cycle .
(...)
I enjoy your blah blah blah'ing, as I'm sure many others do too.

I'm happy that your providing all this information and sophia.

I'm learning more about stuff from this website and its wizards than attending college!

:twisted:
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
It would be a interesting side by side,80 CRI vs 93 CRI. I personally think the loss in efficiency and the added up front cost of the 93 are not worth it.
Cap ,you startin' all wrong here ...
Let me explain ....

The 3000K 80 CRI ,( let us name it 80 for ease ) has plenty of amber wls ( ~600 nm ) ,which actually :

i) Are probably the most efficient driving PS .
I.e . That goes for tomato...

Comparing the treatments most effective in increasing photosynthesis from previous codes, code 8-T revealed no light qualities to be superior to full spectrum light in driving photosynthesis.However, amber light alone was
as effective as full spectrum light in driving photosynthesis.
Full spectrum light deficient in BL
and CY light,or using only RD/DR light yielded significantly lower carbon fixation rates.


https://atrium.lib.uoguelph.ca/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10214/7718/Hawley_David_2013_MSc.pdf?sequence=1

ii) Amber light 'penetrates' enough the top leaf canopy ,
onto lower levels of foliage ,thus increasing overall photosynthesis.


From the other hand the 3000K 90+ CRI is rich in red wls (~630 nm) ,mainly feeding young and /or top canopy leaves .
Red light does not 'penetrate' as it get's mostly absorbed (>90% ) from the top canopy leaves .
But it excites more the Photosystem I that the amber wls ...So while the ambers are good for long duration PS
(like the 18 hour of vegging ) ,they are "poor" photon-wise for shorter term PS (like the 12 hours of flowering ) .
At shorter 'day-times',like when flowering ,longer wls of red (deep reds ,even better) ,provide the number of photons needed for "max rate PS " ,still mainly affecting top / young foliage .

Having 'max rates" of PS ,for long "day-times " is / can be counter productive .
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Another basic difference is the FR output power of 90+ ,which is ~ double than 80...
That's no good from seed/clone start till about the mid of flowering .
90+ will cause 'some' to ' too much' stretching .

But ,taking the two CXAs as example ,you can see this :

For 80 :
-R:FR (660:730) = 6.305
-PPE /PPS = 0.659
-Pfr : Pr = 1.931

For 90+:
-R:FR (660:730) = 4.049
-PPE /PPS = 0.626
-Pfr : Pr = 1.676


As you can see 80 has 6.3x times more 660 nm (+/- 5 nm ) power than 730 nm (+/- 5 nm ) .
While 90+ has 4x times more 660 nm power than 730 nm ...

phy 1.JPG

PPE(PPS) (Phy Photo Equilibrium aka PPS Phy photo stationary state ) = Pfr / P total ...

When Pr molecules are exposed to red light, most of
them absorb it and are converted to Pfr, but some of the Pfr
also absorbs the red light and is converted back to Pr
because both Pr and Pfr absorb red light .

phy equi3.JPG
Thus the proportion of phytochrome in the Pfr form after saturating
irradiation by red light is only about 85%. Similarly,
the very small amount of far-red light absorbed by Pr
makes it impossible to convert Pfr entirely to Pr by broadspectrum
far-red light. Instead, an equilibrium of 97% Pr
and 3% Pfr is achieved.
This equilibrium is termed the photostationary
state.


.85 is max "no flowering" signal ,under 660 nm irradiation.
.03 is max "flowering" signal ,under FR irradiation.
( Dark conversion Pfr=>Pr ,drops PPE to almost 0 => " full flowering signal" )

90+ has ~ .63 PPE ... from 63% total Pfr wiil /has to drop to 0 during the night-hours ...

80 has ~ .66 PPE ...
More Pfr to turn into Pr during darkness (66%),
thus longer flowering -& bigger yields -,slow maturing ,longer harvesting 'window' ...

On the contrary 90+ will cause shorter flowering period ,faster maturing,shorter harvesting time-window ..
It reassures that during 12 of darkness ,less Pfr has to be transformed to Pr .

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Larger stokes shift for the 90+ = unavoidable lower radiometric efficiency .
Thus lower Quantum efficiency ( umol/J ) .
Thus lower PS rates .
--------------------------------------------------------------------

As it becomes pretty obvious ,while the 80 is fine to bring plants
from vegetive stage all the way to the harvest date ,
the 90+ won't make it ....
Plants will be stretchy,foliage will be thick and with reduced surface ...
Plants will be 'signaled' the wrong way ,from the start ...
They will grow to be "high irradiation" adapted ,only to 'face' the unefficiency of 90+ ...
So ,they are doomed ,as their "light -capturing " ,both physiology & biochemistry profile ,
are totally wrong ,for the overall light power supplied.Plants will suffer yield-wise ,
although individual flower-buds ,will show some favourable characteristics ,as increased density and 'thickness' due to the red /deep red wls ,'supporting' the ( young +top level ) bud leaves.But the " wet -soon -to-be-dry biomass" will suffer ,big time.

So ,they can not be really directly compared in a 'versus' grow ....

Their "role" to a grow led light is way -totally different ...
One is nominated as " fully capable PS light source " ,while the other
can be characterised merely as 'enhancing ' or 'supplementing ' light source ...

With 5000-4000K 70-80 CRI ,is not actually like that ...
As they too can grow a plant from start to finish ....
They can deliver most leafy-veggies to the harvest point ...
But they 'suffer 'yielding flowers or fruits ...
So, in our case ,they are also 'enhancing ' or 'supplementing ' light sources .

Cheers.
 
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captainmorgan

Well-Known Member
Cap ,you startin' all wrong here ...
Let me explain ....

The 3000K 80 CRI ,( let us name it 80 for ease ) has plenty of amber wls ( ~600 nm ) ,which actually :

i) Are probably the most efficient driving PS .
I.e . That goes for tomato...

Comparing the treatments most effective in increasing photosynthesis from previous codes, code 8-T revealed no light qualities to be superior to full spectrum light in driving photosynthesis.However, amber light alone was
as effective as full spectrum light in driving photosynthesis.
Full spectrum light deficient in BL
and CY light,or using only RD/DR light yielded significantly lower carbon fixation rates.


https://atrium.lib.uoguelph.ca/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10214/7718/Hawley_David_2013_MSc.pdf?sequence=1

ii) Amber light 'penetrates' enough the top leaf canopy ,
onto lower levels of foliage ,thus increasing overall photosynthesis.


From the other hand the 3000K 90+ CRI is rich in red wls (~630 nm) ,mainly feeding young and /or top canopy leaves .
Red light does not 'penetrate' as it get's mostly absorbed (>90% ) from the top canopy leaves .
But it excites more the Photosystem I that the amber wls ...So while the ambers are good for long duration PS
(like the 18 hour of vegging ) ,they are "poor" photon-wise for shorter term PS (like the 12 hours of flowering ) .
At shorter 'day-times',like when flowering ,longer wls of red (deep reds ,even better) ,provide the number of photons needed for "max rate PS " ,still mainly affecting top / young foliage .

Having 'max rates" of PS ,for long "day-times " is / can be counter productive .
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Another basic difference is the FR output power of 90+ ,which is ~ double than 80...
That's no good from seed/clone start till about the mid of flowering .
90+ will cause 'some' to ' too much' stretching .

But ,taking the two CXAs as example ,you can see this :

For 80 :
-R:FR (660:730) = 6.305
-PPE /PPS = 0.659
-Pfr : Pr = 1.931

For 90+:
-R:FR (660:730) = 4.049
-PPE /PPS = 0.626
-Pfr : Pr = 1.676


As you can see 80 has 6.3x times more 660 nm (+/- 5 nm ) power than 730 nm (+/- 5 nm ) .
While 90+ has 4x times more 660 nm power than 730 nm ...

View attachment 3280494

PPE/PPS (Phy Photo Equilibrium aka PPS Phy photo stationary state ) = Pfr / P total ...

When Pr molecules are exposed to red light, most of
them absorb it and are converted to Pfr, but some of the Pfr
also absorbs the red light and is converted back to Pr
because both Pr and Pfr absorb red light . Thus
the proportion of phytochrome in the Pfr form after saturating
irradiation by red light is only about 85%. Similarly,
the very small amount of far-red light absorbed by Pr
makes it impossible to convert Pfr entirely to Pr by broadspectrum
far-red light. Instead, an equilibrium of 97% Pr
and 3% Pfr is achieved.
This equilibrium is termed the photostationary
state.


.85 is max "no flowering" signal ,under 660 nm irradiation.
.03 is max "flowering" signal ,under FR irradiation.
( Dark conversion Pfr=>Pr ,drops PPE to almost 0 => " full flowering signal" )

90+ has ~ .63 PPE ... from 63% total Pfr wiil /has to drop to 0 during the night-hours ...

80 has ~ .66 PPE ...
More Pfr to turn into Pr during darkness (66%),
thus longer flowering -& bigger yields -,slow maturing ,longer harvesting 'window' ...

On the contrary 90+ will cause shorter flowering period ,faster maturing,shorter harvesting time-window ..
It reassures that during 12 of darkness ,less Pfr has to be transformed to Pr .

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Larger stokes shift for the 90+ = unavoidable lower radiometric efficiency .
Thus lower Quantum efficiency ( umol/J ) .
Thus lower PS rates .
--------------------------------------------------------------------

As it becomes pretty obvious ,while the 80 is fine to bring plants
from vegetive stage all the way to the harvest date ,
the 90+ won't make it ....
Plants will be stretchy,foliage will be thick and with reduced surface ...
Plants will be 'signaled' the wrong way ,from the start ...
They will grow to be "high irradiation" adapted ,only to 'face' the unefficiency of 90+ ...
So ,they are doomed ,as their "light -capturing " ,both physiology & biochemistry profile ,
are totally wrong ,for the overall light power supplied.Plants will suffer yield-wise ,
although individual flower-buds ,will show some favourable characteristics ,as increased density and 'thickness' due to the red /deep red wls ,'supporting' the ( young +top level ) bud leaves.But the " wet -soon -to-be-dry biomass" will suffer ,big time.

So ,they can not be really directly compared in a 'versus' grow ....

Their "role" to a grow led light is way -totally different ...
One is nominated as " fully capable PS light source " ,while the other
can be characterised merely as 'enhancing ' or 'supplementing ' light source ...

With 5000-4000K 70-80 CRI ,is not actually like that ...
As they too can grow a plant from start to finish ....
They can deliver most leafy-veggies to the harvest point ...
But they 'suffer 'yielding flowers or fruits ...
So, in our case ,they are also 'enhancing ' or 'supplementing ' light sources .

Cheers.
Ok now my head hurts. Do you have a good explanation of why the high CRI of CMH performs so well or do you think a high bin CXA3070 3000k 80 CRI will way out perform the high CRI CMH watt for watt?
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
Ok now my head hurts. Do you have a good explanation of why the high CRI of CMH performs so well or do you think a high bin CXA3070 3000k 80 CRI will way out perform the high CRI CMH watt for watt?
No,listen ...

When we refer to "High CRI " ,literally we 're expressing the color rendering index of the sources .
Actually ,it can not be used to directly compare two sources regarding their spectrum or radiometric efficiency .
As neither CCT can describe in detail nm for nm a power distribution spectrum ,
but only its 'blended' result -as white light- and where it falls exactly in the Planckian Locus line .

High CRI MH ,has a high radiometric efficiency of 30-35% (when brand new ) ,while high cri cobs / leds don't.

But ...
In the led world ,"high CRI " describes the different phosphor conversion philosophy.

While 70-80 CRI led uses a blue die and a yellow / amber phosphor material to produce white light ,its high-CRI counterpart ,uses a blend of green and red oxynitride phosphors
(green + red = yellow in light rays )
in order to produce white light.
The two phosphor in-between "re-absorption & re-excitation " causes losses ,
that in case of a single phosphor do not exist.
Also,the longer Stokes shift from the excitation peak ,causes larger losses too .
The different phosphor blending 'properties " & teqh used
( layered or mixed ,different particle size ,etc ) ,
cause some losses too .

So,do not use "high CRI",to compare different light sources ,in a "performance" manner .
It has nothing to do with performance of different light sources ,
but only regarding the performance of phosphor conversion leds / led arrays / COBs .

The "performance" of a plant growth light ,is not measured in power terms(only) ...
Along with the important quantity of light and radiometric efficiency ,
comes its quality ,its homogeneity ,its dispersion &
its radiated heat (ultra long infra red ) ,it's operatiional stability ,service life,etc ..

A high bin CXA3070 3000k 80 CRI WILL way out perform the high CRI CMH watt for watt,
under certain circumstances,of course.

Cheers.
 
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tenthirty

Well-Known Member
Ok now my head hurts. Do you have a good explanation of why the high CRI of CMH performs so well or do you think a high bin CXA3070 3000k 80 CRI will way out perform the high CRI CMH watt for watt?
OK, for the last year I've been doing Elite Agros' over 3x6 sog. We'll use blue dream for this example. 40w sq ft.
The blue dream would be pretty well finished at 60 days.

I'm almost finished with my second harvest under the 3070's at 58 days and they look like they could go for another week or two, thus my interest in the 730nm burst.

My observation is that the 3070 yields more, but takes longer to mature, also 27w sq ft vs 40w sq ft.

What SDS is saying makes sense to me.

Outperform? Shorter flower, but lower yield.........more watts per hour per foot. Less efficient for sure.
If the 730nm blast shortens the flower but keeps the yield at the lower wattage......well??
 

Mohican

Well-Known Member
I want to see a baseline measurement of sunlight intensity and spectrum on a clear day at sea level. I want it to include all EMR created.

Then I want to see that baseline used as a comparison for all horticulture lighting.

This is the only way I can see of being able to compare artificial sunlight (ASL) to natural sunlight (NSL) in any meaningful way.

Next we need to understand the origin of a strain to understand what kind of growth properties the genetics have been selected for (i.e elevation, temperature, RH, UV, season length, rain, soil type, CO2 levels...).

It seems like this is all possible, but I am having a hard time finding any research that addresses all of these variables and baselines.

The search continues. :)
 

AquariusPanta

Well-Known Member
OK, for the last year I've been doing Elite Agros' over 3x6 sog. We'll use blue dream for this example. 40w sq ft.
The blue dream would be pretty well finished at 60 days.

I'm almost finished with my second harvest under the 3070's at 58 days and they look like they could go for another week or two, thus my interest in the 730nm burst.

My observation is that the 3070 yields more, but takes longer to mature, also 27w sq ft vs 40w sq ft.

What SDS is saying makes sense to me.

Outperform? Shorter flower, but lower yield.........more watts per hour per foot. Less efficient for sure.
If the 730nm blast shortens the flower but keeps the yield at the lower wattage......well??
Since you brought up 730nm (IR), I feel the urge to ask a question that begs experience to answer :rolleyes:.

I just assembled 2x 3W (IR) Epistars to a passive heatsink and driver, with the LED wattage total around 2W. Does anyone think this will suffice 1x stocky lady in a 5'x3'x1.7' dungeon (60W of 4k 80 CRI Vero 18s and ~135W of Flowering BlackStar V2)?

I'm new with (IR) so I can't not ask :weed:
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
Since you brought up 730nm (IR), I feel the urge to ask a question that begs experience to answer :rolleyes:.

I just assembled 2x 3W (IR) Epistars to a passive heatsink and driver, with the LED wattage total around 2W. Does anyone think this will suffice 1x stocky lady in a 5'x3'x1.7' dungeon (60W of 4k 80 CRI Vero 18s and ~135W of Flowering BlackStar V2)?

I'm new with (IR) so I can't not ask :weed:
Sorry for helping to derail this threads topic,there are other threads for some of these discussions.


AP ,in a ' DIY COB-La-La-Land ' you never mention words like :
" 2x 3 W IR " meaning monos ..o_O...." Epistars " :spew:
......"BlackStar " :spew::spew::spew:..
Nor ask for advice ,regarding 'em ...

Bad-Bad-Bad !
:cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss:


Cap, everything is cool ,brother .
Your queries were far from 'derailing' ...
Those things had to be a bit analysed ....



I can imagine some of you going :

- Wha da fak iz 'YPF / PPF = 86.55 %' ?
- Or dat one " -PPE ( PPS )= 0.659 " ?
:shock::shock:


....


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Cheers.
bongsmilie
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
Alta LED Full Spectrum Warm White 100W LED Array Analysis.

FS-AL-R-100W

-CCT: 3000° - 4000° K
-CRI: 93-97
-
max If : 3500mA
-Driving modes : HE =1750 , NM= 2625 mA ,HO= 3500 mA
-max Tc : 85°C
-Vf range (25°C ,3500mA ) : 29-35 VDC

- Estimated LER **380 nm -780 nm ** = 268.8 lm/Wφ
-Excitation peak (die) λ0= 463 nm / .661 Rel. to 1
-Emission peak (phosphor) λ1= 632 nm ( 1 )
- 642 nm ChB peak .Rel. to 1 = .983
- 662 nm ChA peak .Rel. to 1 = .82
-Stokes shift = 169 nm

Band power distribution :
400-499 nm : 12.05 %
500-599 nm : 31.94 %
600-699 nm : 47.45 %
700-780 nm : 8.52 %

Photobiology parameters
-R:FR (660:730) = 4.323
-PPE ( PPS ) = 0.631
-Pfr : Pr = 1.712
-Pr : Pfr = 0.584
-YPF / PPF = 82.31 %
-Quanta per Radiant Watt = 4.95 umol

Math model Estimation Analysis #1 : ( for single LED array unit ,)
Tc = 25°C ,If = 3500 mA ( HO 100% ) ,Vf = 32 VDC ,L = 8000 lm ,LumEff = 71.43 lm/W
PWR Dis = 112 W
Φο (Radiant Output Power ) = 29.762 W
Heat Pwr = 82.24 W
Radiant Efficiency = 26.57 % ( .2657 )
Quantum Efficiency = 1.32 umol/J
Quantum Flux (380-780 nm ) = 147.31 umol/sec


Alta LED full Spectrum Warm White:
Relative Energy (Power x time ) spectral distribution

vs
Mean Cannabis Sativa L. leaf absorptance *
*( 1 - reflectance - transmittance )

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Alta LED full Spectrum Warm White : Pfr & Pr action spectrum
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