Truth Lighting LED Panels

AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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I've never seen a company include which companies they went through for their lighting (Bridgelux, Epistar, EpiLED) within the page of their advertised product. A first in my book.

760 Actual Wattage for ~$1,400 seems a bit high and expensive, especially since it's nearly the year 2015 and were talking about Bridgelux, Epistar, EpiLED lighting. I understand that there are people out there (you may be one of them) that have a few extra grand laying around and that love trying out new LED light fixtures such as Truth Lighting's M16.

It's boxing design isn't new. The lighting design may be positioned differently though.

My guess is that they went through the (Chinese) makers who offer the cheap replicas that you see on alibaba.com and gave it a facelift. Do I think it's worth ~$1400? Hell no. Why do I not think it's a fair deal? Well because I could make one @760W for no more than $700, which means they most likely made it for ~$350 and are asking for a 400% markup. It may not be as fancy looking or have as many individual LEDs but my product would be designed better or at least specced out to a higher degree.
 
puffenuff

puffenuff

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Yeah, I wouldnt buy one at their prices. Nothing new or special about them from what I can tell. Only thing I'm wondering is the part they claim about spectrum blend within inches compared to feet as with other lights...they are using 90 degree lenses so that's kind of interesting.

Can you post a link about that international artificial grow association? Can't seem to find any info on Google.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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puffenuff said:
Yeah, I wouldnt buy one at their prices. Nothing new or special about them from what I can tell. Only thing I'm wondering is the part they claim about spectrum blend within inches compared to feet as with other lights...they are using 90 degree lenses so that's kind of interesting.

Can you post a link about that international artificial grow association? Can't seem to find any info on Google.
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it's a closed group on facebook. You have to.be added or invited or what ever.
 
FranJan

FranJan

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AquariusPanta said:
I've never seen a company include which companies they went through for their lighting (Bridgelux, Epistar, EpiLED) within the page of their advertised product. A first in my book.
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You need to read more books then mate :).
puffenuff said:
Can you post a link about that international artificial grow association? Can't seem to find any info on Google.
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Makes me think of that Monty Python sketch, "Are we the People's Front of Judea or The Judean People's Front?"
hyroot said:
it's a closed group on facebook. You have to.be added or invited or what ever.
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Brilliant! Keeps the dissenters out and the ignorance in. Sounds like the next wave of LED marketing. Where's old SmokeSara and her sheeple?
 
AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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FranJan said:
You need to read more books then mate :).
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It's no longer necessary dawg. I'm committed to building my own light fixtures from now on. Before building my own, I typically would only order through gothamhydroponics (BlackStars and Chromes) and as you may know, they withhold some of those facts that are nice to know upfront but that's part of the rulebook when running a quasi-legitimate business.

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chazbolin

chazbolin

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puffenuff said:
Yeah, I wouldnt buy one at their prices. Nothing new or special about them from what I can tell. Only thing I'm wondering is the part they claim about spectrum blend within inches compared to feet as with other lights...they are using 90 degree lenses so that's kind of interesting.

Can you post a link about that international artificial grow association? Can't seem to find any info on Google.
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If you go on FB and type International Artificial Grow Light Association you can join the group. It's closed because they talk and show weed grows. If it were an open group all of the members friends would see everything that is being discussed. Also many of the members own grow lighting companies, a number of them LED, which allows them to freely discuss how their products are to be used in growing cannabis. They also conduct open garden trials where side by sides are done that fit loose enough criteria to let diverse technologies compete, under live stream so the gardens can be watched online and everyone watching can comment as to how the products are doing relative to plant response in real time.

This is an excellent opportunity for manufacturers to expand upon how their products were designed to add value to the garden and compete head to head with higher wattage HID systems. The level of communication is not one of dissent but I would say one of mutual contribution that would make what the grow lighting industry as a whole needs to become to bring transparency to manufacturers performance claims and a shared desire to create, among other things, standards relative to grow light design and construction to specific net action plant spectra. If you can't find it PM me your FB handle and I'll invite you in.
 
chazbolin

chazbolin

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I would like to run a 660 AT in a side by side with a 420-Pontoon combo but it's out of budget right now. I thought if this panel looked like a solid design it might be worth investing in one. But if it's just a $300 Nova S2 than it's not even worth considering.
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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AquariusPanta said:
How do you justify that much money for that little amount of space ... that's nearly [$2300 / (3.2 ft. x 3.2 ft.)] $230 of lighting per square foot .... haha DIYs4Life

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it's 2300 for 1.2m x1.2m...also known as 3.9'x3.9'(15.21sqft)...try your math again

Yodaweed said:
That light is lol it has a computer processor, Ethernet cable and online website. Tell me how a light needs a computer processor.
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Every nm can be dimmed and set on timers for when to come one...simulated sunrise/set...from across the world. Plenty of reasons.
 
AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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Greengenes707 said:
it's 2300 for 1.2m x1.2m...also known as 3.9'x3.9'(15.21sqft)...try your math again
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Haha that's what I get for depending on feet and inches. Damn the metric system and the endless, unnecessary conversions.

Ok so with your input, looking at around $150 per square foot of lighting, which still seems high in my opinion but the user is getting at best ~40W per sq. ft. which is great coverage. With all the gadgets included, I now see a little justice in the pricing.
 
chazbolin

chazbolin

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I posed the question to the Truth rep to see what he comes back with. $1400 seems way out of line for what looks to be a Nova S2 panel.
 
chazbolin

chazbolin

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He responds:

That is actually only a 266w unit with a poor Chinese spectrum any manufacturer overseas that tells you they use Cree is lying its a marketing scheme cree only makes certain wavelengths Bridgelux is also an american-made diode that was sold to China and yes anybody can get a light from EverGrow but the spectrum is not going to be what you're looking for unless you know a thing or two about developing a spectrum then by all means it's a great way to go also my units are in the middle of getting UL listed which gives it a higher value you cannot just throw any light source into a growing facility and have it be legal there are protocols that needs to be followed in case of any insurance reasoning also please take a look at all USA based LEDs none of them compare to the pricing that I ask also that the cost before import tax and shipping out of China there's a lot more that goes into the price than what the customer actually see once you go to pay that invoice you won't see the same exact price

Dodge ball baby.
 
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