Marshydro Led grow...

[Noobie1]

I have tried to veg with my Area 51's (the RW150) with the reds and whites on together and its been too stressful on both my Alien OG and my Darkstar. They stopped reaching within two days and I could tell growth was inhibited by the stressing. I went back to the whites only and things went back to normal. Both strains like the red and white together in bloom mode.

I have two Mars II 700's and they are fantastic. I have been running TGA's Space Jill in clone form for two years under various light configurations, including 600 and 1000 HPS, and the Mars II 700's have produce far tastier, more potent and equal yielding buds.
I like the lack of a secondary lens, which gives you more room to play with height for different plants and strains, and also gives some dispersion to the fixture that is not found in the fixtures that use secondary lenses. You can bleach your plants easily with fixtures that use such lenses. Area 51 RW 150's use these lenses, and perhaps this is part of the reason for the extra stressing of the two strains when the red was added in veg.

I have recently started to use my Mars II 700's for vegging as the lack of a secondary lens seems to be going easier on the plants, dispersing the light well, and producing vigorously. My bloom includes the fixtures with secondary lenses I have found success with, including two Area 51 RW 150's and one Growblu 120x3. I am happy with these setups. We all tinker like mad, me included, so it'll change next time around I am sure.

Cheers thx.1138 , How far above are you keeping your LEDS, Everyyyyy one is telling me different, But of course the people telling me different is people who have never used LEDs, So at the moment, I have them at 2 foot & I am in 2nd week stage but things are still looking a little small in there,

Thanks once again guys & gals

 

[Noobie1]

yeh theres 1 more tuck to do in that corner...need another 2cm growth to reach the string lol

Hey @WazzaX , I think you stated earlier you are from down under too, I am also. I see when @oilmaker68 talks about feeding the girls magnecal/calmAg , Is there any particular brand I should look for down here in Aus, I am getting the same Bad yellowing on most of the girls & the growing is slow, I at first thought it may be the LEDs where to close, I now have them raised to 2 foot above , Then I was thinking I may have burnt the roots " Overdose", But then I question my self & I don't think I would have as I was only using 1/4 of what the bottle says, Then I flushed & NO change.
Then I also think that I may not be giving them enough, I think I mentioned before, I am using the Canna Vega , & also small amount of the rhizotonic ,

Now this is all just blurted out, Mmmm feel better now

 

[Noobie1]

Cheers Noobie1,
I also found decent reviews for the LED light that TOPLEDSELLER is selling, although i noticed they have since changed their lights to HydroStar, but by the looks of the two, they look exactly the same. Most likely same factory makes them, so im gonna be putting bids on a few to try get a bargain. Did you get the one with the veg and bloom switch? I noticed they started selling some slightly cheaper which dont have the Veg and Bloom switch, and they told me its not required as its a full spectrum light.
I was thinking if i get two of these

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MarsHydro-300W-LED-Grow-Light-IR-Veg-Flower-Hydroponic-Pro-Lighting-Lamp-Panel-/281202441128?pt=AU_Seed_Starting_Hydroponics&hash=item4178f8bba8

and during Bloom i was thinking perhaps using a few extra red LED globes in the corners of the tent. I have alot of the photography lamp attachments like this - http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Photography-Photo-Light-Lamp-bulb-Single-Holder-E27-Socket-Flash-Bracket-Studio-/151037927450?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item232a8fe01a

and http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Studio-Twin-Double-E27-AC-Swivel-Socket-Umbrella-Bracket-Flash-Lamp-Bulb-Holder/251302425909?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=1&asc=20140107090050&meid=e4da2fb3db3543c19beadd41bdb23d68&pid=100011&prg=20140107090050&rk=2&rkt=10&sd=301301075613

Also after reading this thread i liked the idea of using the UV globes during the flowering to increase the yield so iv decided to get creative with a crappy old ikea lamp i was about to chuck in the bin lol.... its a pole with 3 light sockets (size E14) on ebay i found converters (E14 to E27 sockets) so im hoping i could use normal UV globes for a center lamp (the crappy ikea one) ...
is it just normal UV light bulbs you can use, or must it be particular UV bulb?

Ill also get one of those testers.... is it a LUX meter im after? or is it called something else?
Cheers for the link BTW

Hi @Bl0nd3y ,

About the 2 different models of the Marshydro LEDs , I decided to ask them what the difference was,
Below is my Q & A to them.

Also on that Bunnings Meter Tester it is called ARLEC Energy cost meter, Just check in the electrical part you should find it,
& If you wanted to measure the Lumens or LUX , I see there are apps out there for Smartphones which can measure that,
How good or true it works is something else, I have my self a new smart phone that has a sensor built in, I will give that a try in a few days.

Dear marshydro-au,Hi there,

I just wanted to ask, What is the most popular for most people to buy,
This item you have here, OR
MarsHydro Reflector 600w Led Grow Light - eBay item number: 280980995708

I see 1 has full white WLEDS & the other has all other colours & 2 switch's,
Hope you can answer this,
Thanks


Reply

Hi there,
Thank you for your interest in our lights again,I think the 600W reflector is more popular in our customers,because the Reflector designed for two swtiches and we add IR leds to this light,tR led is good for plants in blooming stage,compared with the white one,the Reflector is more powerful,so I recommend that you can purchase our 600w Reflector again,and you have my email,the next purchase we can give you some discounts,hope this information can help you.

Best regards
Annie

 

[WazzaX]

Hey @WazzaX , I think you stated earlier you are from down under too, I am also. I see when @oilmaker68 talks about feeding the girls magnecal/calmAg , Is there any particular brand I should look for down here in Aus, I am getting the same Bad yellowing on most of the girls & the growing is slow, I at first thought it may be the LEDs where to close, I now have them raised to 2 foot above , Then I was thinking I may have burnt the roots " Overdose", But then I question my self & I don't think I would have as I was only using 1/4 of what the bottle says, Then I flushed & NO change.
Then I also think that I may not be giving them enough, I think I mentioned before, I am using the Canna Vega , & also small amount of the rhizotonic ,

Now this is all just blurted out, Mmmm feel better now

I think you need to relax a little lol...you said earlier they were 2 weeks old and you've done all that stuff above...leave them alone lol...99% of changes take a good 3-5 days to see any effects and will only effect new growth...keep it simple...learn your plants ...keep a good PH using quality water...start light on the nutes and build it up as your plants tell you they want more...

this is all I use... again keeping it simple

Nutes:

Veg: GH Calimagic
GH Flora Nova Grow 1 part

Flower:
GH Calimagic
GH Flora Nova Bloom 1 part

 

[Noobie1]

I think you need to relax a little lol...you said earlier they were 2 weeks old and you've done all that stuff above...leave them alone lol...99% of changes take a good 3-5 days to see any effects and will only effect new growth...keep it simple...learn your plants ...keep a good PH using quality water...start light on the nutes and build it up as your plants tell you they want more...

this is all I use... again keeping it simple

Nutes:
Veg: GH Calimagic
GH Flora Nova Grow 1 part

Flower:
GH Calimagic
GH Flora Nova Bloom 1 part

Yeah I had I had family member come over yesterday & he is a HPS grower through & through, So he was saying they should be at least 10inchs in height by now, Which they are not, Hence why I question my self, Is it the lights or nutes,
Anyway, I know I will work it out , I see the KISS bit, But lol you missed the last letter out

 

[Bl0nd3y]

Scrogging means screen of green it's where instead of letting your plants grow tall into one main head of flower you top it so it branches out and set up a net a few inches above your pots to spread the branches out so all the branches get even light and stay at equal distance from your light so each branch makes a nice big head of flower instead of you just having the one

Cheers Major-red-eye that makes sense...ill have to add some netting/wire to the shopping list

 

[Bl0nd3y]

Hi @Bl0nd3y ,

About the 2 different models of the Marshydro LEDs , I decided to ask them what the difference was,
Below is my Q & A to them.

Also on that Bunnings Meter Tester it is called ARLEC Energy cost meter, Just check in the electrical part you should find it,
& If you wanted to measure the Lumens or LUX , I see there are apps out there for Smartphones which can measure that,
How good or true it works is something else, I have my self a new smart phone that has a sensor built in, I will give that a try in a few days.

Dear marshydro-au,Hi there,

I just wanted to ask, What is the most popular for most people to buy,
This item you have here, OR
MarsHydro Reflector 600w Led Grow Light - eBay item number: 280980995708

I see 1 has full white WLEDS & the other has all other colours & 2 switch's,
Hope you can answer this,
Thanks

Reply

Hi there,
Thank you for your interest in our lights again,I think the 600W reflector is more popular in our customers,because the Reflector designed for two swtiches and we add IR leds to this light,tR led is good for plants in blooming stage,compared with the white one,the Reflector is more powerful,so I recommend that you can purchase our 600w Reflector again,and you have my email,the next purchase we can give you some discounts,hope this information can help you.

Best regards
Annie

an energy cost meter, sweet, ill head out to bunnings early next week and grab one.
Im glad you sent that, because i just brought the cheaper Mars Hydro "old edition", which i proberbly should have purchased the reflector model. I asked them to cancel the purchase and they were happy to cancel it for me so i can buy the reflector model. Funnily enough i sent them a similar message....you can imagine how many times these people are asked this question hahaha.
What potting medium are you using... I assumed soiless potting mix referred to clays and fibres, but while looking up mixes most seem to include worm castings, some even include Lime, and mexican bat dung? by lime i dont know if they are referring to Lime as in the powder, or lime as in the fruit.... thats the only downside to living in aus and searching for recommended mediums, we dont have easy access to Mexican bat shit lol. For a first timer and for use with a LED light what medium do you think is the more superior, or is it a case of trial and error. I was thinking of mixing my own - with coir, perlite, and clay beads... i need something that wont attrack Gnats, as we have a Gnat problem in the area.

 

[rob333]

hi y'all

today i received my Mars Hydro LED growlight. I have raised my Fem seeds with 2x300w CFLs but felt it lacked power and penetration when it came to veg. I already tried the cfls with 2 x Lemon ice seeds i had and they haven't grown well into veg so decided i needed another LED.

I went for the Mars Hydro because the price of Budmaster II lights (that i flower with) are ridiculous (even though they are phenomenal)

As there is little info available on these specific units i decided to have a punt. Also they have U.S stock which was a bonus.

I am growing 3 strains, all from Amsterdam. I planted them on 24/6/2014 except Incredible Bulk which was planted 4 days later

3x Bulldog Chronic THC - 20% 650gm/m2
3x Pineapple Chunk THC - 25% 650gm/m2
1x incredible Bulk THC - 24% 1000gm/m2 <yes, that's what the breeder claims

I am planning on foliar feeding the "runts" as the experimental feed i have claims it will force the runts to catch up to the bigger plants (i doubt it)

light specs :

• Reflector design 100% LED lumen output to plants
• Glass free design. Glass and extra lenses can diminish lumen output by as much as 20 percent! Our design provides more light for your plants.
• Growth/Bloom switches, Save more power and more efficiency.
• Spectrum: 430~440nm, 450~475nm, 620~630nm, 650~670nm, White, Real Infrared spectrum: 730nm
• LEDs: 192*3WLEDs
• Dimension: 22*19*2inches
• Lumen: 29200lumens
• Coverage: 4*4ft( Veg), 3.5*3.5ft(Flowering)
• Output power: 600Watt
• Power consumption: 110V: 370W-384W/220V: 350W-364W
• Amp: 2.44A/110V, 1.22A/220V
• Worldwide Voltage Capable: AC85~265V
• View Angle of LEDs: 90/120° Mixed
• Lifespan: 50000-100000hours

Light will be kept at 2ft above plants unless stretching appears then it will be alter accordingly

Nutrients :

Magne-cal+ by plant magic 1ml/L
Bio Green Grow 1 1ml/L
Experimental foliar spray 3xpw


Water:

Tap water PH'd to 5.8
Currently hand watered but will be switching to gravity fed drip feed ASAP

Medium :

Amsterdam Gold Label COCO

Temp:

24c - 27c

RH :

50% - 60%

if ive forgotten to mention anything i'll add it later.

heres some Pics to get started
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ignore the plants on the right, they are for cloning then the best two will be added to the grow later. I plan to add a gravity fed drip feed system so ill add pics of that next.

ill post new pics and updates as i go, feel free to add any comments or ideas.

hey hey can u inbox ur dry weight from that mars pls bro

 

[Noobie1]

an energy cost meter, sweet, ill head out to bunnings early next week and grab one.
Im glad you sent that, because i just brought the cheaper Mars Hydro "old edition", which i proberbly should have purchased the reflector model. I asked them to cancel the purchase and they were happy to cancel it for me so i can buy the reflector model. Funnily enough i sent them a similar message....you can imagine how many times these people are asked this question hahaha.
What potting medium are you using... I assumed soiless potting mix referred to clays and fibres, but while looking up mixes most seem to include worm castings, some even include Lime, and mexican bat dung? by lime i dont know if they are referring to Lime as in the powder, or lime as in the fruit.... thats the only downside to living in aus and searching for recommended mediums, we dont have easy access to Mexican bat shit lol. For a first timer and for use with a LED light what medium do you think is the more superior, or is it a case of trial and error. I was thinking of mixing my own - with coir, perlite, and clay beads... i need something that wont attrack Gnats, as we have a Gnat problem in the area.

Hi again @Bl0nd3y ,
I paid through my butt, But because it was my first time, I paid that little bit more & got the " CANNA TERRA PROFESSIONAL GROW MEDIA 50 LITRES BAG " It was $45 from the local Hydro shop which is on the south coast of NSW, That's what I was recommended & I think its the best you can get, I also added perlite , Just a few hand fulls in the mix.

And as for the case of trial and error, I am in the same boat, That's why I bought all recommended products so if any thing went wrong, I know its me, Not the Nutrients & soils I am using ,
I wouldn't be adding worms or bat shit to the indoor mix, You don't want to bring any diseases from out side in,
Worms Are great when used on the out side plants, But under lights, I believe its no good.

Hope this sort of helps, Keep every thing fresh inside your new grow room,
Also keep me updated on what else you do, That would be great.

 

[Bl0nd3y]

Hi again @Bl0nd3y ,
I paid through my butt, But because it was my first time, I paid that little bit more & got the " CANNA TERRA PROFESSIONAL GROW MEDIA 50 LITRES BAG " It was $45 from the local Hydro shop which is on the south coast of NSW, That's what I was recommended & I think its the best you can get, I also added perlite , Just a few hand fulls in the mix.

And as for the case of trial and error, I am in the same boat, That's why I bought all recommended products so if any thing went wrong, I know its me, Not the Nutrients & soils I am using ,
I wouldn't be adding worms or bat shit to the indoor mix, You don't want to bring any diseases from out side in,
Worms Are great when used on the out side plants, But under lights, I believe its no good.

Hope this sort of helps, Keep every thing fresh inside your new grow room,
Also keep me updated on what else you do, That would be great.

great advice, i will give the worm castings a miss then. i thought it was odd that these "hydro" mixes had worm castings etc in it, especially if its an indoors garden. I have heard that the Canna mixes are the best, but does that mean you have to use only the canna line of nutrients? Suppose no harm if i do, as iv read they seem to be ok aswell.

Just finished setting up the tent, got my two 10" fans and duction leading outside....just waiting on the lights...oh and the seeds, lol. im gonna attempt to make a carbon filter to put behind the extraction fan that blows outside, apparent chucks wipes and crushed charcoal in layers...dont know how effective it is, but time will tell. Did you buy feminized seeds? I brought plant hormones estrogen (Phytoestrogens) and thought id try soaking the seeds in that, aswell as the peeled fruit in paper bag trick.

 

[Noobie1]

great advice, i will give the worm castings a miss then. i thought it was odd that these "hydro" mixes had worm castings etc in it, especially if its an indoors garden. I have heard that the Canna mixes are the best, but does that mean you have to use only the canna line of nutrients? Suppose no harm if i do, as iv read they seem to be ok aswell.

Just finished setting up the tent, got my two 10" fans and duction leading outside....just waiting on the lights...oh and the seeds, lol. im gonna attempt to make a carbon filter to put behind the extraction fan that blows outside, apparent chucks wipes and crushed charcoal in layers...dont know how effective it is, but time will tell. Did you buy feminized seeds? I brought plant hormones estrogen (Phytoestrogens) and thought id try soaking the seeds in that, aswell as the peeled fruit in paper bag trick.

Hey @Bl0nd3y ,
Sounds like your gunna have a great set up,
As for the seeds, I bought a few strains of feminized seeds from " seedsman.com " Great site, Each time i ordered they arrived, Now Tried & now tested my self numerous times, 100% success rate compared to straight jiffy pots
The best way to get them sprouted is to get a small saucer plate, double or triple Line it with some toilet paper or some tissues , I try to use non bleached ones, " Just me " , Make sure they are soaked with just normal rain water if you can, Tap water is fine, Depends where you are , Once soaked, Cover with glad wrap & put in a DARK WARM place & tell you what, With in 24 to 30 hours, You will see your girls are hatched, I used to then put straight into little jiffy pots, But now that I buy the CANNA TERRA PROFESSIONAL GROW MEDIA " , I then use a small pot & put straight into the medium, & they'll take off straight away, Then you can put under your lights,
& as for the charcoal filters & all that, You wont need that for awhile, Well I haven't yet, Its not till later you'll need it if it all starts to smell, My neighbours are far & few between so I should be right for the smell as of now,
If you don't mind me asking, What state are you in.......

Talk soon, I am only 2 weeks in front of you

 

[hotshotisdashit]

Good job Oil and Wazza both. You've both given me inspiration and faith to purchase one of these lights. I do have a few questions. Either or anyone can answer.
1. In a 5x5 tent would you use two mars 900 or two 196x3 reflectors for this space?
2. Would I need an air conditioner to cool this tent? Did either of you have temp problems?
3. Did either of you have to contact customer service for support or with problems? (Heard one poster was told just be happy with the product.) Didn't sit well with me.

 

[oilmaker68]

hey hey can u inbox ur dry weight from that mars pls bro

Dry weight was 4.5oz.

 

[oilmaker68]

Good job Oil and Wazza both. You've both given me inspiration and faith to purchase one of these lights. I do have a few questions. Either or anyone can answer.
1. In a 5x5 tent would you use two mars 900 or two 196x3 reflectors for this space?
2. Would I need an air conditioner to cool this tent? Did either of you have temp problems?
3. Did either of you have to contact customer service for support or with problems? (Heard one poster was told just be happy with the product.) Didn't sit well with me.

Hey bro,

I am sure it is a 1m2 per 600w footprint so I'd check the manufacturer site for the 900w model. What you need is to create a nice overlap so you get optimum yield.
2, heat was no issue at all as it runs at 22c so it's only in summer when everyone fights the heat that adjustments need to be made

3, I only spoke to them once but they were polite, helpful and rapid with their response. A rep did leave a message on here thanking me for creating a journal but admin removed it.

I've had no problems thus far whatsoever

 

[oilmaker68]

Yeah I had I had family member come over yesterday & he is a HPS grower through & through, So he was saying they should be at least 10inchs in height by now, Which they are not, Hence why I question my self, Is it the lights or nutes,
Anyway, I know I will work it out , I see the KISS bit, But lol you missed the last letter out

K.I.S.S. Rules to follow

1, don't feed Nything to your plant until A) yellowing occurs or B) six sets of leaves have grown. Whichever comes first.
2, PH levels are essential. 5.5-6.2 is where all nutes are best absorbed
3, Leds won't burn your plants, however, light stress is an issue due to the high concentration of lumens. Keep your led 20-24" away or the recommended distance from the manufacturer
4, keep nutes to simple formulas, grow (1 bottle complete) bloom (1 bottle complete) PK boost. Learn how your plants feed and then fiddle with other additives
5, if in doubt, flush it out. A flush and the. Re-nute may solve salt build ups etc.
6, be patient. Nothing happens quickly when a plant needs to recover from a deficiency.
7, spend time watching how your plant grows ie up the bushes out, up then bushes out. This will teach you what to expect in future.

I'll add more as I think of them

 

[oilmaker68]

Cheers thx.1138 , How far above are you keeping your LEDS, Everyyyyy one is telling me different, But of course the people telling me different is people who have never used LEDs, So at the moment, I have them at 2 foot & I am in 2nd week stage but things are still looking a little small in there,

Thanks once again guys & gals

I kept mine at 2ft all the way through and had no issues.

 

[rob333]

Dry weight was 4.5oz.

was that a 300w led man ?
im running 2 180w ufo,s from vipar just wanted to see how u went with it

 

[rob333]

I kept mine at 2ft all the way through and had no issues.

in cm man how far to keep the lights away i have both my 180watts about 10 cm away from the plant u think that's to close ?

 

[Noobie1]

in cm man how far to keep the lights away i have both my 180watts about 10 cm away from the plant u think that's to close ?

2 feet =60.96 centimetres

 

[WazzaX]

end of week 1 flower just before lights on... everything is going well and I will continue to tuck under the net for approx another week (tucked again after I took this pic)... its going to be a tight fit but hey im not complaining lol

end of week 1 flower pic...