Is it possible for a hermie seed to produce a 100% female plant?

[tstick]

I am curious. I know that the chances are uncommon. But…is it even possible?

I've got 7 perfect seeds from a bud of Dawgwalker Kush that I bought in a dispensary in 2012. The bud that the seeds came from was extremely potent and very pungent. It was a super-premium strain at the time. The seeds were so perfect, I thought that maybe the grower might have tried to cross it with something else…because it was (supposedly) a "clone-only" from California…IF I remember correctly. But, everyone else was thinking that it was just a bud that threw out some nanners and did itself. Hmmmmmm...

So, the other day, I decided to see if I could germinate the seeds. They popped right away and now I have two seedlings in Dixie cups!

Time will tell, of course. But, in the meantime, I wouldn't mind getting some theoretical feedback. Maybe someone out there has grown a hermie seed and got a 100% female from it?

Thanks

 

[Cobnobuler]

I know its possible because I've done it before. They may have a higher likelihood to eventually hermie but its also possible that it wont.

 

[tstick]

Thanks for the response! Cool! Well, I'll hold out some hope, then!

 

[Kush Killington]

Im no breeder, but if yu take seeds off a hermied plant, its offspring will inherit those tendencies. It has to. The seeds genetic code came from itself breeding with itself. Said trait would be passed down the generations.

Sir KK

 

[butsack]

Im no breeder, but if yu take seeds off a hermied plant, its offspring will inherit those tendencies. It has to. The seeds genetic code came from itself breeding with itself. Said trait would be passed down the generations.

Sir KK

seriously?

 

[tstick]

Im no breeder, but if yu take seeds off a hermied plant, its offspring will inherit those tendencies. It has to. The seeds genetic code came from itself breeding with itself. Said trait would be passed down the generations.

Sir KK

But, wouldn't that genetic code also hold the possibility of a variant that would only possess the female traits?

 

[tstick]

I imagine that nature would hold onto some kind of failsafe against any strain turning into a completely hermaphroditic strain. In nature, there must be plants that suffer stress from time-to-time...and throw out hermies as a result. But I know of no strain that is naturally hermaphroditic. So, a plant that creates hermie seeds must have a way to prevent itself from reproducing hermaphroditic plants, thereafter…somewhere in the genetic material, there must be a way to get itself back to being separate male and female plants, again….right?

 

[Kush Killington]

seriously?

As i said im no breeder. But, when you breed two things together, the offspring is a combination of their individual genetic code. 50/50. So, when you breed from yourself, yur getting 100% off your own self right? That would include the tendancy of your plant being a hermie.

But, wouldn't that genetic code also hold the possibility of a variant that would only possess the female traits?

Yes, but, herming is a tendancy that manifests when a plant feels its reproductive abilities are indanger. Thus causing her to him itself to produce seeds. These seeds will carry on that tendancy to produce nuts when it deems necessary. This tendancy, im assuming, will become stronger and more prevelant over the generations.

Once again, not a breeder, purely what i believe from the knowledge i have on the subject.

Sir KK

 

[Sativied]

Said trait would be passed down the generations.

Not necessarily. Trait are phenotypes which are based on genotypes. What is passed on is the genes, not necessarily the same genotype, as in those same genes don't recombine in the same combination unless it was homozygous. For example, let's say there's an heterozygous genotype that is responsible for the intersex traits or for low stress resistance in that hermie plant, e.g. Hh. It's very possible that only the h or the H gene is causing the problems. If you were to self Hh, you get 25% HH, 25% Hh, 25%hh, in which case 25% wouldn't have the weak gene or the bad gene combination. Obviously a theoretic example, in reality there are multiple genes responsible. This is by the way natures way of ensuring survival through variety and why we don't all look the same...

But, wouldn't that genetic code also hold the possibility of a variant that would only possess the female traits?

Sure, possible. Locking traits in means locking other genes out and it's possible the good ones are simply gone. Selfing narrows the gene pool more rapidly than crossbreeding, which is both the advantage and disadvantage. If the plant had a narrow gene pool to begin with (depends on the selection methods of the breeder and those before him, i.e. every breeder in the lineage) then the possible different combinations that result in some better than the parent(s) becomes less too.

Above all, sex traits as well as intersex traits (hermie) are phenotypes. A certain genotype combination resulting in intersex traits in the parent doesn't mean that same plant (which is still a female...), even a clone , will express the same phenotype. Genotype + environmental influences = phenotype. Simply put, if it hermied cause it was stressed, not submitting the offspring (or again even a clone) to the same stress may be all it needs to express into the desired phenotypes.

 

[Kush Killington]

Nature's way of not producing hermies would be stress free enviorments or optimal growing conditions. Strong healthy plants don't stress

Sir KK

 

[kogislife420]

Idk but plants the organic mystery of the world you cant truly know everything about a plant go for it a hermie still produces bud Ive heard hermie seeds can be female but they stress easy and they can hermie over easily but they can still be female

 

[vostok]

I am curious. I know that the chances are uncommon. But…is it even possible?
I wouldn't mind getting some theoretical feedback. Maybe someone out there has grown a hermie seed and got a 100% female from it?
Thanks

Not a chance unless you are going to re-build the plant,
thru a couple of breeds, even an f2
will herm at about 85% chance,
better to go and talk to the guy you got it off​

 

[Sativied]

Nature's way of not producing hermies would be stress free enviorments or optimal growing conditions.

I wasn't talking about nature's way of not producing hermies but if you want to go there, it's not a trait cannabis breeders "invented". Hemp is as flexible when it comes to sexual expression.

Strong healthy plants don't stress

So you're saying there are no hermies in nature because nature can create and optimal grow condition like indoor growers do and that stress is always the cause? If that were actually true, it invalidates your previous comments, as stress is nurture and not inherited.

The truth is not every female that shows intersex traits (like spawning late flower nanners) is a hermaphrodite. Hermie is just mj grow forum lingo that serves its purposes for growers fine ("if hermie then trash it") but when it's about using said plant to create offspring (which isn't automatically equivalent to "breeding"), the term apparently only leads to a lot of misconceptions.

 

[kogislife420]

I wasn't talking about nature's way of not producing hermies but if you want to go there, it's not a trait cannabis breeders "invented". Hemp is as flexible when it comes to sexual expression.

So you're saying there are no hermies in nature because nature can create and optimal grow condition like indoor growers do and that stress is always the cause? If that were actually true, it invalidates your previous comments, as stress is nurture and not inherited.

The truth is not every female that shows intersex traits (like spawning late flower nanners) is a hermaphrodite. Hermie is just mj grow forum lingo that serves its purposes for growers fine ("if hermie then trash it") but when it's about using said plant to create offspring (which isn't automatically equivalent to "breeding"), the term apparently only leads to a lot of misconceptions.

Completely true man, you get little critters in the nature that can stress the fuck out of plants like spider mites and aphids

 

[Sativied]

Completely true man, you get little critters in the nature that can stress the fuck out of plants like spider mites and aphids

It's what indoor growing is all about. Not mimicking outdoor, but creating a better optimal environment. It's also all you have to do. Well, that and I like to add some canopy control. The rest is all nonsense because plants grow themselves, all you can sensibly do is provide an optimal environment.

 

[Sativied]

And to sum it up for the OP: the only guarantee you have, given enough seeds, is that some of the offspring can hermie if given the same circumstances. Nothing more.

If only it were that easy to lock in traits and thus breed them true for generation after generation... or for a certain % in a certain generation... the suggestion it does is just absurd.

 

[butsack]

 

[Silky Shagsalot]

Sure, possible.

the prior quote didn't take, but it asked if you could still get a true female from hermie beans. i can say absolutely yes you can. the only reason i say that is cause i've watched my neighbor do it twice now. i told him to trash them, but he didn't, and proved me wrong, lol. or should i say, "all us folks who have said that, "no you can't." lol...

 

[kogislife420]

the prior quote didn't take, but it asked if you could still get a true female from hermie beans. i can say absolutely yes you can. the only reason i say that is cause i've watched my neighbor do it twice now. i told him to trash them, but he didn't, and proved me wrong, lol. or should i say, "all us folks who have said that, "no you can't." lol...

Yes You can its very possible its just easier then normal to herm it over

 

[Kush Killington]

So you're saying there are no hermies in nature because nature can create and optimal grow condition like indoor growers do and that stress is always the cause? If that were actually true, it invalidates your previous comments, as stress is nurture and not inherited.

No hermies are definately a natural thing. I was saying its a tendancy the shows itself when stressed. In nature, plants tend to grow in regions they prefer.

Sir KK