st0wandgrow
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Not by itself (that I've heard of), but it's recommended a surfactant on every single organic forum/thread known to man.
Foxfarm or general organics?
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Pattahabi
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People recommed a lot of strange stuff. Personally, I'd use aloe vera, yucca, or horsetail if I was looking for saponins.
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greasemonkeymann
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it could very well be in my head, but since I started weekly spraying with dr b's eucalyptus and the peppermint, it seems to have slowed the mites down, I sure as hell wouldn't rely on it to kill them, but it does seem to deter them, course I also tweeked my soil recipe, and also re-sealed my room, so my results certainly aren't conclusive, one drop in a spray bottle doesn't hurt them.
I love foliar sprays though, aloe, SSts, foliar feeding with comfrey and dandelion, who knows what exactly is keeping the mites suppressed.
Pattahabi
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It will knock them back a little. But why use it? Why not use some neem/karanja oil, essential oils, etc? Sst's contain chitin.
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greasemonkeymann
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cuz I hate the smell of neem oi (uck neem meal too)l... we talked about that, I do need to get some karanja.It will knock them back a little. But why use it? Why not use some neem/karanja oil, essential oils, etc? Sst's contain chitin.
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And why use it? because I have a big bottle of it, I love to use it for cleaning, and showers, baths, etc. Makes my garden smell nice also.
I have tried to use essential oils, actually. Sadly it fried my plants, lavender oil is strong, apparently.
and yeah SSTS are great for everything, not this harvest but the next one, i'm going to run some plants and only give them SSTS and AACT, see if the soil has enough to get them from start to finish, i'm thinking it will. I digress though
I think it's important to acknowledge that the dr b's spray effectiveness on mites may totally be in my head, (hard to say which growing methods truly make a difference, growing the way i do) and if that's the case, then i'll just look at it as a cleaning for the grow room. Does smell nice though..
Pattahabi
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It's not in your head. I used safer soap for years. It is mildly effective against mites. Have you tried just blending a little cilantro and water? Add aloe and silica for a little extra. Definitely karanja if you don't like the smell of neem.
Peace!
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greasemonkeymann
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I haven't tried cilantro yet actually, how much exactly is a lil cilantro? I've also been thinking about a fresh lavender spray also, since my lavender is growing back so nice (thanks to SSTs)
Pattahabi
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I want to say I used about 1/3-1/2 of the bunches they sell at the store, blended strained and diluted to about 1 gallon of water. Experiment, and start light. I used to put lavender leaves in my sst's, but I was told we need the flowers. Generally I use the karanja and light botanicals for IPM's, but let me know if any of this doesn't work for you and I can find more recipes.
Peace!
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greasemonkeymann
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ahh crap, I need lavender flowers? I always thought it was just the leaves... damn, it won't flower for another couple months or so
bongtheripper420
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If you dont mind buying things online get the fox farms trio for 60 total on amazon they also have a HUGE selection of other good nutes
Pattahabi
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Organic correct?
bongtheripper420
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Fox farms is not completely organic but contains far less crap than most nutes i,ve seen. and there are organic nutes on amazon if you were asking that.
Pattahabi
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Welcome to the organic section. We lynch people for blasphemy such as this.
Just teasing ya! But seriously, kinda organic don't fly around here. If you are interested in this style of growing I highly suggest starting with at least the first few of pages of the ROLS thread.
Peace!
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Nullis
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Because if it's not Pattahabi-organic, then it's just not organic.
Seriously though the General Organics line is more conducive to living soil than the FF trio (which uses salts of ammonia and EDTA which is a synthetic chelating agent).
And you don't really need 12 different fertilizers\supplements under any circumstance (in soil), which is what the FF product the OP is referring to offers.
Seriously though the General Organics line is more conducive to living soil than the FF trio (which uses salts of ammonia and EDTA which is a synthetic chelating agent).
And you don't really need 12 different fertilizers\supplements under any circumstance (in soil), which is what the FF product the OP is referring to offers.
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Pattahabi
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No, because if it not organic then... it's not organic. But thanks for the zing again... Classy as always.
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Pattahabi
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http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/TOOLS/PNAI/pnaishow.php?id=43
Application Tips
An insecticidal soap spray will kill only insects it comes in direct contact with at the time of application. Thoroughly spray so that all insects are covered. Be aware that many insects prefer the undersides of leaves or may be under sepals or within leaf buds. As there is no residual activity, two or more sprays 2 or 3 days apart may be necessary. Try to avoid making applications when sun is on the plant. Complete kill of pests is unlikely, but soap sprays can bring populations down to tolerable levels as part of an integrated control program that includes reliance on natural enemies.
Keep in mind soap is not discriminatory. It kills beneficials just as readily as it does pests. Emulsified neem/karanja and essential oils are far better options imo.
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Application Tips
An insecticidal soap spray will kill only insects it comes in direct contact with at the time of application. Thoroughly spray so that all insects are covered. Be aware that many insects prefer the undersides of leaves or may be under sepals or within leaf buds. As there is no residual activity, two or more sprays 2 or 3 days apart may be necessary. Try to avoid making applications when sun is on the plant. Complete kill of pests is unlikely, but soap sprays can bring populations down to tolerable levels as part of an integrated control program that includes reliance on natural enemies.
Keep in mind soap is not discriminatory. It kills beneficials just as readily as it does pests. Emulsified neem/karanja and essential oils are far better options imo.
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FlakeyFoont
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Have you actually gotten rid of your mites using these concoctions?It will knock them back a little. But why use it? Why not use some neem/karanja oil, essential oils, etc? Sst's contain chitin.
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Pattahabi
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Yes, I actually have.