Obama is going to give amnesty next week

desert dude

desert dude

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londonfog said:
Do you think Obama should just do what Reagan did in 1986 with the signing of IRCA ???
I remember how everyone rioted and burned shit down when Reagan made a path way for citizenship for over 3 million illegal immigrates. Wait ... The riots or burning never happened. Nobody said shit when Reagan used his executive order.
So yes do it Obama do it !!!!
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Wait. Are you saying that a previous grant of amnesty for 3 million illegal aliens has led to a (threatened/promised) grant of amnesty for up 30 million illegal aliens?

It's gonna work to secure the border this time, though.
 
budlover13

budlover13

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londonfog said:
Do you think Obama should just do what Reagan did in 1986 with the signing of IRCA ???
I remember how everyone rioted and burned shit down when Reagan made a path way for citizenship for over 3 million illegal immigrates. Wait ... The riots or burning never happened. Nobody said shit when Reagan used his executive order.
So yes do it Obama do it !!!!
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Of course he did so on the promise that Congress would secure the border too, which never happened.
 
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ChesusRice

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desert dude said:
Wait. Are you saying that a previous grant of amnesty for 3 million illegal aliens has led to a (threatened/promised) grant of amnesty for up 30 million illegal aliens?

It's gonna work to secure the border this time, though.
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Even the most virulent anti immigration/xenophobe websites dont list 30 million illegals
that's almost 10% of the countries population
 
SmokeyDan

SmokeyDan

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londonfog said:
Do you think Obama should just do what Reagan did in 1986 with the signing of IRCA ???
I remember how everyone rioted and burned shit down when Reagan made a path way for citizenship for over 3 million illegal immigrates. Wait ... The riots or burning never happened. Nobody said shit when Reagan used his executive order.
So yes do it Obama do it !!!!
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That is a false comparison.

Reagan worked WITH congress.

Obama is working AROUND congress.
 
SmokeyDan

SmokeyDan

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ChesusRice said:
Actually no he didnt
They couldnt come up with legislation he wanted
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Keep fooling yourself.

Go back and read some news articles from the time.

He worked with congress.

If the republican congress passed no bill on it directly, but something saying Obama had a free hand to deal with the issue, he could do as he wished. But that isn't the case.
 
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ChesusRice

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SmokeyDan said:
Keep fooling yourself.

Go back and read some news articles from the time.

He worked with congress.

If the republican congress passed no bill on it directly, but something saying Obama had a free hand to deal with the issue, he could do as he wished. But that isn't the case.
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Nearly three decades ago, there was barely a peep when Reagan and Bush used their authority to extend amnesty to the spouses and minor children of immigrants covered by the 1986 law.
In 1986, Congress and Reagan enacted a sweeping overhaul that gave legal status to up to 3 million immigrants without authorization to be in the country, if they had come to the U.S. before 1982. Spouses and children who could not meet that test did not qualify, which incited protests that the new law was breaking up families.
Early efforts in Congress to amend the law to cover family members failed. In 1987, Reagan's Immigration and Naturalization Service commissioner announced that minor children of parents granted amnesty by the law would get protection from deportation.
Spouses and children of couples in which one parent qualified for amnesty but the other did not remained subject to deportation, leading to efforts to amend the 1986 law.

In a parallel to today, the Senate acted in 1989 to broaden legal status to families but the House never took up the bill. Through the INS, Bush advanced a new "family fairness" policy that put in place the Senate measure. Congress passed the policy into law by the end of the year as part of broader immigration legislation.
"It's a striking parallel," said Mark Noferi of the pro-immigration American Immigration Council. "Bush Sr. went big at the time. He protected about 40 percent of the unauthorized population. Back then that was up to 1.5 million. Today that would be about 5 million."
 
jahbrudda

jahbrudda

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These minions can regurgitate all the talking points they want, the american people do not want the president to act unilaterally on immigration, they want him to work with congress, and by a huge margin.
 
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ChesusRice

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SmokeyDan said:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

It was a bill, passed by Congress, signed by Reagan, which makes it legal and nothing at all like what Obama is contemplating.
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In 1986, Congress and Reagan enacted a sweeping overhaul that gave legal status to up to 3 million immigrants without authorization to be in the country, if they had come to the U.S. before 1982. Spouses and children who could not meet that test did not qualify, which incited protests that the new law was breaking up families.
Early efforts in Congress to amend the law to cover family members failed. In 1987, Reagan's Immigration and Naturalization Service commissioner announced that minor children of parents granted amnesty by the law would get protection from deportation.
 
SmokeyDan

SmokeyDan

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ChesusRice said:
In 1986, Congress and Reagan enacted a sweeping overhaul that gave legal status to up to 3 million immigrants without authorization to be in the country, if they had come to the U.S. before 1982. Spouses and children who could not meet that test did not qualify, which incited protests that the new law was breaking up families.
Early efforts in Congress to amend the law to cover family members failed. In 1987, Reagan's Immigration and Naturalization Service commissioner announced that minor children of parents granted amnesty by the law would get protection from deportation.
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But there was a bill, a legal framework for Reagan to work on.

Obama has no bill. But he has done the same thing with other bills. Extending the employer mandate on the health care bill comes to mind.
 
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ChesusRice

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SmokeyDan said:
But there was a bill, a legal framework for Reagan to work on.

Obama has no bill. But he has done the same thing with other bills. Extending the employer mandate on the health care bill comes to mind.
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Actually comprehensive Immigration reform bill was already passed by the Senate and has been sitting in the house for almost 2 years
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There are 3 versions of Bill Number S.744 for the 113th Congress. Usually, the last item is the most recent.
1 . Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act (Introduced in Senate - IS)[S.744.IS][PDF]
2 . Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act (Reported in Senate - RS)[S.744.RS][PDF]
3 . Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act (Engrossed in Senate [Passed Senate] - ES)[S.744.ES][PDF]
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