I think I got thrips....

Dogenzengi

Dogenzengi

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so I saw a bug scramble over my Clay pebbles and I did my best to identify.
My plants are in Rock wool cubes in the Hydroton.

I think Thrips or Nats have snuck in.
I saw wings so I am leaning toward Nats.
I saw Small black dots, 2-4 were walking on the paper surrounding my rock wool.
I saw small wings on one bug and had I may have had one flying around.

I have a 4 tray ebb n flow setup being fed by a 16 gallon resevoir.
One tray, one plant had bugs, that was all I could find.
I searched my plants leaves and found no damage and no bugs under or on the leaves of my 6 plants or my seedling just one cube and some Hydroton around that cube.

So I looked online and I made a fast choice, "dawn ultra" not anti microbial. Was my the " in hand medicine ".

My res was half full, so I added a slight teaspoon to the 8 gallons and then I ran my Pump for 5 minutes.
As it ran I scooped the suds off the top of the resevoir and just dumped it on my plants.
I then used my sprayer to wash the plants , cleaned my Res, added 6 gallons just water and a few drops of soap.
I p.h.ed the 2 nd time and ran it again, scoping the suds and rinsing the plants.

4 hours later....
I see no signs of small dots moving and I see no movement in my hydroton.
I will flush twice tomorrow and watch for bugs.

I am sure I did not get all the stages of. Bug life, but it seems to have removed the bugs and left the plants looking fine.

I have a young seedling it is 18 days old, I see no negative signs on that plant.

I think I may hav got lucky.

I read on the Dawn not to mix with bleach, something they usually put on a soap that has chlorine added.

I figured if they clean oil covered birds and It can trap fleas so they can be washed from a dog then I could use it on my plants in small quantities.

I will follow up tomorrow after I water, wash clean res and doing all again.

I will keeps doing that till I see no life, if they come back then the soap failed and I will need advice.

Time to read the Bugs sticky!

Bless,
DZ
 
ayr0n

ayr0n

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Dogenzengi said:
so I saw a bug scramble over my Clay pebbles and I did my best to identify.
My plants are in Rock wool cubes in the Hydroton.

I think Thrips or Nats have snuck in.
I saw wings so I am leaning toward Nats.
I saw Small black dots, 2-4 were walking on the paper surrounding my rock wool.
I saw small wings on one bug and had I may have had one flying around.

I have a 4 tray ebb n flow setup being fed by a 16 gallon resevoir.
One tray, one plant had bugs, that was all I could find.
I searched my plants leaves and found no damage and no bugs under or on the leaves of my 6 plants or my seedling just one cube and some Hydroton around that cube.

So I looked online and I made a fast choice, "dawn ultra" not anti microbial. Was my the " in hand medicine ".

My res was half full, so I added a slight teaspoon to the 8 gallons and then I ran my Pump for 5 minutes.
As it ran I scooped the suds off the top of the resevoir and just dumped it on my plants.
I then used my sprayer to wash the plants , cleaned my Res, added 6 gallons just water and a few drops of soap.
I p.h.ed the 2 nd time and ran it again, scoping the suds and rinsing the plants.

4 hours later....
I see no signs of small dots moving and I see no movement in my hydroton.
I will flush twice tomorrow and watch for bugs.

I am sure I did not get all the stages of. Bug life, but it seems to have removed the bugs and left the plants looking fine.

I have a young seedling it is 18 days old, I see no negative signs on that plant.

I think I may hav got lucky.

I read on the Dawn not to mix with bleach, something they usually put on a soap that has chlorine added.

I figured if they clean oil covered birds and It can trap fleas so they can be washed from a dog then I could use it on my plants in small quantities.

I will follow up tomorrow after I water, wash clean res and doing all again.

I will keeps doing that till I see no life, if they come back then the soap failed and I will need advice.

Time to read the Bugs sticky!

Bless,
DZ
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Average RIU User: "Please help anybody save me wings damage leaves falling stem removed?!"

@Dogenzengi : "I got thrips, and then I kicked their ass."
 
Dogenzengi

Dogenzengi

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Thanks ayr0n!
I try to be proactive.
I am newbie or at least I consider myself one.
I started just over a year ago.
I have never had any insect but I have always read up on everything.
A quick google and I had my dish soap in hand heading for my veg.
It seemed logical and like it couldn't make it worse so I did my thing.

Other than RIU I have nobody to ask for advice so I Follow my intuition.

Maybe I got a home run, we will see.
Bless,
DZ
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Gnats are relatively harmless. The adults are just a bit of a nuisance, but the larvae can munch on your roots. BTI bits will clear them up within a couple weeks.

Thrips aren't the worst bug you could get, but they pose more of a problem than gnats. They will suck fluids from your leaves and leave silver-ish looking lesions. They are visible to the naked eye, but are quite small and fast little effers. Azamax clears them up in a few applications. Be sure to spray the surface of your medium as they will hang out there too.
 
hydroMD

hydroMD

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Dogenzengi said:
so I saw a bug scramble over my Clay pebbles and I did my best to identify.
My plants are in Rock wool cubes in the Hydroton.

I think Thrips or Nats have snuck in.
I saw wings so I am leaning toward Nats.
I saw Small black dots, 2-4 were walking on the paper surrounding my rock wool.
I saw small wings on one bug and had I may have had one flying around.

I have a 4 tray ebb n flow setup being fed by a 16 gallon resevoir.
One tray, one plant had bugs, that was all I could find.
I searched my plants leaves and found no damage and no bugs under or on the leaves of my 6 plants or my seedling just one cube and some Hydroton around that cube.

So I looked online and I made a fast choice, "dawn ultra" not anti microbial. Was my the " in hand medicine ".

My res was half full, so I added a slight teaspoon to the 8 gallons and then I ran my Pump for 5 minutes.
As it ran I scooped the suds off the top of the resevoir and just dumped it on my plants.
I then used my sprayer to wash the plants , cleaned my Res, added 6 gallons just water and a few drops of soap.
I p.h.ed the 2 nd time and ran it again, scoping the suds and rinsing the plants.

4 hours later....
I see no signs of small dots moving and I see no movement in my hydroton.
I will flush twice tomorrow and watch for bugs.

I am sure I did not get all the stages of. Bug life, but it seems to have removed the bugs and left the plants looking fine.

I have a young seedling it is 18 days old, I see no negative signs on that plant.

I think I may hav got lucky.

I read on the Dawn not to mix with bleach, something they usually put on a soap that has chlorine added.

I figured if they clean oil covered birds and It can trap fleas so they can be washed from a dog then I could use it on my plants in small quantities.

I will follow up tomorrow after I water, wash clean res and doing all again.

I will keeps doing that till I see no life, if they come back then the soap failed and I will need advice.

Time to read the Bugs sticky!

Bless,
DZ
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For future reference, *Ultra* has the same negative affect on microbial life in your root zone as anti bacterial.

You will want to use pyrethrum that is water soluble. Follow dilution ratios on bottle and drench your root zone and let sit for one hour. Flush and repeat the next day or two and then again in 3-4 days to curb their reproductive cycle.

If its just gnats, stop messing with it... if its root aphids, see above advice and implement ASAP
 
Dogenzengi

Dogenzengi

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image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg Day 2 I expected to see some negative response from my plants and they looked good this a.m.
At noon I did a water change and I saw 1 little dot while looking for 5 minutes. So I added a 1/2 tsp to 10 gallons and ran the soap again.
Again I scooped the Suds and let them wash thru the rock wool on that one plant.

So far this has worked and not killed my shit, I am a little surprised by my luck.

The treatment will continue till no little black dots are running on the rock wool paper.
Running 450 PPM 6.0 PH as of today.

Only 1 bug today, ;-)
Bless,
DZ
 
Dogenzengi

Dogenzengi

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Dawn Ultra and foliar feeding straight water , PH 5.85.
1/2 tsp per 10 gal, In my head it has to have chlorine which all know in low doses won't hurt a plant.
It is already in my drinkin water and I garden w tap water.
Tap water fills the CalMag void in my opinion.
Bless,
DZ
 
jondamon

jondamon

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Black dots does not sound like thrips.

Usually thrips are tan coloured or black in adult stage. Milky in larval stage.

I've seen an increase in the amount of FERMENTATION MITES being spotted in grows lately. Especially running around pot rims and trays etc.

Fermentation mites are a part of composting cycle and they are attracted to fungi and yeast. FYI.



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Dogenzengi

Dogenzengi

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Do they grow bigger?
They don't grow into a very small reddish black winged bug?
I was only guessing and trying a minimally invasive approach to the problem.
Looks to me like a gnat, thrips was the easy one to spell, I wAs high, lol.
Thanks for the help!
Bless,
DZ
 
jondamon

jondamon

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Dogenzengi said:
Do they grow bigger?
They don't grow into a very small reddish black winged bug?
I was only guessing and trying a minimally invasive approach to the problem.
Looks to me like a gnat, thrips was the easy one to spell, I wAs high, lol.
Thanks for the help!
Bless,
DZ
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Fermentation mites aka mould mites are small almost translucent mites.


Have you looked at root aphids as a possibility?
 
Dogenzengi

Dogenzengi

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Still researching pictures on Google, not a mite or thrip.
I will look up the root aphid and see if it has an "small black dot stage" as that Was the only bug size that was prevelant.
Thanks for the leads.
 
Dogenzengi

Dogenzengi

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My Icon photo is my mutt and she has cancer. She had her 3 surgery in as many years, yesterday was her 3rd.
Right now my attention is on her not my garden
Bless,
DZ
 

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Same exact spot as her 1st surgery.

She is a trooper, my GF used tuna juice from lunch to sweeten her food and to lure her outside to pee.
she can't shit yet, maybe later.
Doggie Nursin DZ
 
Dogenzengi

Dogenzengi

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I see one little runnerving every other day. I crush them so they all look Black and smooshed.
wings, maybe, not thrips more likEly gnats.
the Dawn Ultra is still being kept at 1/2 tap per 10 gallons.
450 PPM 8.95 PH. Plants have thrived since adding the Soap.
even the Master Kush Seedling that us now 22 days old showed no Ill effect. Overall the plants look healthier and the gnats are minimized.

Dawn Ultra won't hurt a plant, whoever said it would kill good bacteria....
no, I think my plants like the stuff.
Bless,
DZ
 
tstick

tstick

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If you want to find out of it's gnats, then fill a coffee cup halfway with apple cider vinegar and then stretch some plastic cling wrap over the top. Use a rubber band to keep it tight. Then punch a few toothpick size holes in the stretched plastic. The gnats will be attracted to the vinegar and find a hole to get in….but they can't get back out….unless you made the holes too big!

If it's thrips, then you're going to have to be very proactive and tenacious to kill them….because they are immortal! The best way to treat thrips is with Captain Jack's bug killer -because it has Spinosad in it. That's what will kill thrips in all their stages.
 
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