plants got mowed over :(

[vcrew.gambit]

How much land is there that doesn't actually belong to someone/something in America? Currently, I'm growing on a patch of land that isn't owned by a person, but I'm pretty sure it belongs to the city.

How can you guerilla grow without trespassing in some way shape or form?

 

[Johnnyorganic]

How much land is there that doesn't actually belong to someone/something in America? Currently, I'm growing on a patch of land that isn't owned by a person, but I'm pretty sure it belongs to the city.

How can you guerilla grow without trespassing in some way shape or form?

Again, public access is the key to guerilla growing.

Personally, I would not guerilla grow as it is too risky. I prefer my grows on my property where I have complete control.

Too many variables which could spell doom for the guerilla grower:
Thieves;
Coppers;
Do-gooders;
Deer;
Conducting your grow out in the open;
Traversing back and forth to access the grow operation; and
No security whatsoever.

Growing is a time-intensive activity. Guerilla growing requires too much time where the grow is completely out of our hands.

It would be interesting to see a statistic on the success of guerilla grows from seed to harvest.

I think a surprisingly high number of failures would be evident.

 

[SeedFreak~]

Sorry To hear that Dude. Maybe get the farmer in on it. He might give you a little corner of one of his fields lolo

 

[vcrew.gambit]

Again, public access is the key to guerilla growing.

Personally, I would not guerilla grow as it is too risky. I prefer my grows on my property where I have complete control.

Too many variables which could spell doom for the guerilla grower:
Thieves;
Coppers;
Do-gooders;
Deer;
Conducting your grow out in the open;
Traversing back and forth to access the grow operation; and
No security whatsoever.

Growing is a time-intensive activity. Guerilla growing requires too much time where the grow is completely out of our hands.

It would be interesting to see a statistic on the success of guerilla grows from seed to harvest.

I think a surprisingly high number of failures would be evident.

Public access is only key to the point of "you have to be able to access some dirt", after that, the less public, the better.

For example, city parks have public access. But you wouldn't want to grow in a city park, would you?

Guerilla grows are, logically, far more successful in spaces that aren't widely available to the public.

And most grow ops I've ever seen/read about getting busted are indoor. And if they are outdoor, it usually 20+ plants.

Guerilla growers growing 3 or 4 plants (or in my case, just the one) are rarely busted, and if they are, usually the crop is just taken, and the grower is left alone (unless the grower is stupid, and does stupid things to get busted).

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Public access is only key to the point of "you have to be able to access some dirt", after that, the less public, the better.

For example, city parks have public access. But you wouldn't want to grow in a city park, would you?

Guerilla grows are, logically, far more successful in spaces that aren't widely available to the public.

An ideal guerilla grow site is a site which has public access, but is so difficult to reach or otherwise undesirable, public interference is unlikely.

And most grow ops I've ever seen/read about getting busted are indoor. And if they are outdoor, it usually 20+ plants.

Guerilla growers growing 3 or 4 plants (or in my case, just the one) are rarely busted, and if they are, usually the crop is just taken, and the grower is left alone (unless the grower is stupid, and does stupid things to get busted).

Getting busted is a form of failure. All things considered, guerilla grows have a much higher failure rate than non-guerilla grows.

Please consult my original statement:

It would be interesting to see a statistic on the success of guerilla grows from seed to harvest.

I think a surprisingly high number of failures would be evident.

 

[vcrew.gambit]

Without stats, you can't possibly know that.

Please consult this or this. I'm not seeing much about guerilla grows. In fact, it all seems to be indoor.....

If anything, indoor grows seem to be having the most failure.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Without stats, you can't possibly know that.

Please consult this or this. I'm not seeing much about guerilla grows. In fact, it all seems to be indoor.....

If anything, indoor grows seem to be having the most failure.

I can 'know' anything I chose. It's otherwise known as an opinion.

I never claimed to have statistics. Only an unproven theory. Again, please consult my original statement.

Because of the difficulty of the method, successful guerilla growers are like gods to me. Bring a respectable harvest under guerilla conditions and you are a fucking ROCK STAR.

It requires careful planning, cunning, hard work (a lot of hard work), and repeated treks back and forth from the site.

I dabbled in guerilla growing early in my weed growing experience, but soon learned the cons heavily outweighed the pros.

Sadly, most guerilla grows are half-assed attempts to hide a few plants not too far from the grower's home.

 

[vcrew.gambit]

So.... you can just go around saying things like "All things considered, guerilla grows have a much higher failure rate than non-guerilla grows" without any kind of proof other than "I can 'know' anything I chose. It's otherwise known as an opinion" and not be bothered that it sounds totally ridiculous, and that no one will here will ever pay attention to anything you say ever again?

You might as well start telling people your name is Max T. Skullcrusher, you're the king of Sweden, and you're also a deathmatch-boxing spy from Saturn.

 

[Florida Girl]

fdd needs to lock this thread. It's making everyone upset.

I disagree. This is a good discussion on an important topic that affects how all mj users/growers are viewed in the media and public.

If anyone is upset by reading this thread then they should simply close it and not come back to it.

I disagree. It highlights a very large point of contention among growers.

To me the concept of guerilla growing is all about using lands with public access to conduct the grow operation. Public access does not equal public/government property. In many cases, private property has public access as well, but you are not trespassing by being on it.

Trespassing is a crime we should not, as a community, tolerate.

The idea that 'We're breaking the law anyway so what's the difference?' is simply childish rationalization for bad behavior.

Another excellent post Johnny!

How much land is there that doesn't actually belong to someone/something in America? Currently, I'm growing on a patch of land that isn't owned by a person, but I'm pretty sure it belongs to the city.

How can you guerilla grow without trespassing in some way shape or form?

It's not a private property owners problem if a grower can't find adequate public land to grow on. As a grower that is your problem.

You are actually doing it right.... growing on city land. Yes you run a bigger risk of being discovered if the city has workers around the area... but at least you are being respectful and have put no one else at risk for grow.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

So.... you can just go around saying things like "All things considered, guerilla grows have a much higher failure rate than non-guerilla grows" without any kind of proof other than "I can 'know' anything I chose. It's otherwise known as an opinion" and not be bothered that it sounds totally ridiculous, and that no one will here will ever pay attention to anything you say ever again?

You might as well start telling people your name is Max T. Skullcrusher, you're the king of Sweden, and you're also a deathmatch-boxing spy from Saturn.

You know as well as I do that such a study is unlikely under the current political climate.

There are fundamental elements of the Theory of Evolution, or astronomy, which are unproven at this time, yet some very smart eggheads seem to be able to hold an opinion.

How do you know I am not Max T. Skullcrusher, king of Sweden, deathmatch-boxing spy from Saturn?

I'll make any statement I please, thank you very much.

If you don't like it you are free to disagree.

 

[vcrew.gambit]

........

This thread has now lost all forms of sanity.

The snozberries taste like snozberries. A child born in Africa has a 1 in 3 chance of being adopted by Angelina Jolie. The most common computer password is "Hot Peggy".

That is all. We now return to our regular scheduled programming.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

........

This thread has now lost all forms of sanity.

The snozberries taste like snozberries. A child born in Africa has a 1 in 3 chance of being adopted by Angelina Jolie. The most common computer password is "Hot Peggy".

That is all. We now return to our regular scheduled programming.

Your lunch was delicious. Thanks.

 

[huffy420]

Im sorry but to me it sounds like you all are making it sound like the cops are going to kick in the property owners door and arrest everyone for some plants they might have found on their property. More then likely the plants will be cut down and seized....nothing more. Ive seen it happen to someone. The sheriff actually put his business card in one of the cut stalks. Like someone was gonna call his dumb ass...

Besides that, if cops decided to actually go to the judge and get a search warrant over a small patch of plants. They would find nothing but a confused and angry home owner who probably doesnt even have a book of rolling papers in his house....case closed on the mystery pot patch.

Come on guys guerrilla growers are not whats keeping marijuana from being decriminalized/legal. Look at how many non-violent pot smokers are arrested each year because of the 'War on Drugs'. They feed the system, keep money pumping the legal system. Its too much easy money. I forget how much money is paid out per inmate? Its was a ridiculous amount

 

[Florida Girl]

I don't have any numbers or statistics on who gets busted more nationally. In my local area... within the last 4 months they busted 2 outdoor grows and 1 indoor grow. In all cases the grower was growing in places they didn't own... and in all cases the growers were caught. They didn't just cut down the plants and leave...

One outdoor was 1,200 plants and was conducted on private property that did not belong to the grower. It was an anonymous tip to the cops that led to the bust.

Other outdoor bust was 85 plants. Private property not belonging to the grower. The property owner called the police... they busted the old coot carrying water bottles and pruning shears to the grow.

Indoor grow was approx. 300 plants. Rented home. The owner of the property discovered his tenants grow and called the cops.

Seems to me.... at least for my area..... the stealthiest way is to grow 3 or 4 plants in a closet in a home you own.... and keep your trap shut.

 

[huffy420]

Yes but look at those numbers 1200 plants, 300 plants. Of coarse they are going to arrest someone with those kinds of numbers. They have to take action on that. If you grow 1200 plants outside, especially if its not on your land, your asking to get busted.


Im talking small scale here, if they found a patch of a few dozen nothing would happen. Thats what im saying.

 

[vcrew.gambit]

That's what I said. Guerilla growers with only a couple of plants, if busted at all, are rarely arrested. It's the giant grow ops that tend to piss people off.

Hell, look at the guerilla growers here on RIU. How often are they busted?

 

[Gilfman]

well just throwing this out there .... couple hundred plants are a little easier to spot than.. let's say .. 3-10 ..

 

[Florida Girl]

Im talking small scale here, if they found a patch of a few dozen nothing would happen. Thats what im saying.

LOL... maybe where you're from... but not around here. They don't have much to do... so they will sit around and wait for the grower to show up. Even it if it takes weeks. One of my ex's relatives is a sheriff..... oh the shit I heard... LOL!


Regardless.... the NUMBER is not the point. The point is ownership of the land. If you don't own it... you aren't entitled to plant on it without permission... not even ONE plant. There is no way around it... Please... have some respect for the people who own their own land and stick to growing on public land.

 

[vcrew.gambit]

Yeah, well, this is Seattle. 1 weed plant in some blackberry bushes in the middle of a field near nothing isn't going to get anyone busted.

 

[huffy420]

LOL... maybe where you're from... but not around here. They don't have much to do... so they will sit around and wait for the grower to show up. Even it if it takes weeks. One of my ex's relatives is a sheriff..... oh the shit I heard... LOL!


Regardless.... the NUMBER is not the point. The point is ownership of the land. If you don't own it... you aren't entitled to plant on it without permission... not even ONE plant. There is no way around it... Please... have some respect for the people who own their own land and stick to growing on public land.

Wow im sorry, police hardly even issue tickets here LOL

But i agree with you, you shouldn't grow on some one else's property with out their permission. I do grow on my own property, and a friends property but he knows and gave me permission to in return of some goods if you know what i mean. I was just stating my 2 cents.