F-35

[Padawanbater2]

That fighter plane might be 'state of the art'... but so were battleships on the day before Pearl Harbor.

They're already obsolete. Unmanned combat air vehicles have already demonstrated the ability to turn inside a manned aircraft and shoot it down in a dogfight- and there's no other reason for a pilot to be in one anymore.

That means they're almost as wasteful for Canucks to buy as it is for Amuuricuns. After all, Lockheed Martin has already sewn up the $375 BILLION DOLLAR CONTACT, given during a time of PEACE?!

Dwight D. Eisenhower was right. Every fucking word. The current state of America is economic/corporate fascism and the people would rather watch Faux News than think for themselves.

I have a love/hate relationship with the F-35. The avionics and instrumentation is absolutely state of the art, a 3rd grader could operate that shit! That's the biggest improvement from the last generation of fighters, it's like an iPhone, touch-n-go in that sense. Most pilots agree taking the flight procedures away from the pilot and leaving him alone to operate the weapons system is beneficial for him in combat, but the overall performance doesn't outmatch the F-22 by a long shot. BUT, one of the variants can take off and land from the carrier, dramatically increasing its range. I think it's the F-35A, shorter wingspan, lighter payload, but increased range + stealth. Nothing else in the air can compete with the F-35, let alone the F-22. I think China (our ally) is developing the first next gen (5th gen) fighter. Meanwhile we're fighting organizations like ISIS who fly ancient fuckin' Migs that might as well be WW2 era aircraft when it comes to air superiority.

Our F-15's have never been shot down in an air to air battle, and those have been operational since 1976.

In my opinion, the F-35 was always a big waste of money. But proponents of the program will argue air superiority is priceless. (I agree, but we have had that since the F-15 was in service, and the F-22 guarantees it for at least two more decades minimum).

From a fans perspective, I would rather fly the F-22 either way, even though the F-35 is newer and more advanced. The F-22 is the absolute best fighter jet in the skies today imo.

F-22

F-35

 

[WHATFG]

Well if the f22 is better it makes sense now why we're buying the F35.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Well if the f22 is better it makes sense now why we're buying the F35.

$150 million for 1 F-22 (195 in service)
$114 million for 1 F-35 (150 in service)

Seems kinda negligible to me

$36 mil more for an F-22 seems like a no brainer

F-22 max speed = 2.2 m
F-35 max speed = 1.6 m

F-22 max fuel = 18,000lbs
F-35 max fuel = 18,498lbs

F-22 range = 1,600nmi
F-35 range = 1,200nmi

F-22 supercruise = 1.82m
F-35 cruise = 1.2m

F-22 also has thrust vectoring, which means it has the ability to shift its exhaust nozzles up and down enabling a tighter turn radius;

 

[WHATFG]

Ya makes perfect sense to me - inferior in every way except fuel consumption. We are notorious for buying other people's junk.

 

[Northwestern81]

Waste of money and not what our airforce needs, a single engine fighter patrolling our north!!, at least with the hornet if a engine goes down the guy/gal can still get back to safety with the second one.

 

[ttystikk]

Waste of money and not what our airforce needs, a single engine fighter patrolling our north!!, at least with the hornet if a engine goes down the guy/gal can still get back to safety with the second one.

All this misses the obvious; that UCAV (unnamed combat air vehicle) tech will beat even these fighters because they carry no pilot at all.