Best pre-mix soil?

greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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GrowerGoneWild said:
I was trying to do the same thing but It kinda runs into problems.

You can run a very hot soil (Subcools SuperSoil) however you run into the problem of seedlings not being able to tolerate it with the possiblity of burn. In fact they recommend you run a less enriched soil on the top half of your pot and the supersoil on the bottom. However I've been using it for months now and I like the performance. I would like to see the addition of silica to the mix. But generally it is pretty good.

After discussing this with a couple of "pros" the dudegrows.com they highlighted a problem with supersoils, and if the blend is going to work with a certian strain. Scotty reasons there might be some soil formulas that dont work with every strain. This is why they prefer top-feeding vs. enriched soil.

If I was going to try a true "no feed" solution. I would consider using promix bx with aptus base boost. It should cost less than subcools formula with no cook time and the pellets are time release. Thats just me tho'.
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also, i'm not a believer on the concept of layering, in nature, it's the top of the soil that is always a more nutrient rich soil.
I don't layer anything
 
Illicithunter

Illicithunter

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greasemonkeymann said:
personally, if I am understanding what the bag of b'cuzz is, its aeration, correct? Sorta like promix?
i'd mix with the aeration (b'cuzz) seems to me it'd be a lil safer, either that or maybe mix it with the EWC?
Mixing it with the ocean forest may leave "hot" spots if you don't mix well.
Course if you do a thorough job of mixing, it's all sorta irrelevant
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Good thinking.
I'll mix everything with the B'cuzz and then have that mix ready to mix with the different stages of Ocean Forrest.
 
GrowerGoneWild

GrowerGoneWild

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greasemonkeymann said:
also, i'm not a believer on the concept of layering, in nature, it's the top of the soil that is always a more nutrient rich soil.
I don't layer anything
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Thats fine, not trying to sell you on the layering. And I dont disagree with you. If you read the rest of the post, I actually side with top feeding.

The supersoil mix is hot and suggested that it not contact new seedlings directly. The only way is to buffer it with a cooler layer, and I agree with this method. It is upside down but for good reason.
 
Illicithunter

Illicithunter

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GrowerGoneWild said:
Thats fine, not trying to sell you on the layering. And I dont disagree with you. If you read the rest of the post, I actually side with top feeding.

The supersoil mix is hot and suggested that it not contact new seedlings directly. The only way is to buffer it with a cooler layer, and I agree with this method. It is upside down but for good reason.
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Layering sounds like even more of a challenge to me than just mixing really well. I don't wanna screw up any of the soil with this being my first cook. Let's see how plants react to the all the mixed pots before all that...
 
ProHuman

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Why are you adding all that other stuff to your FFOF?
That is a great soil already composed with everything most cannabis strains grow in perfectly.

The only reason I add the B'Cuzz, is to dilute the concentration of nutrients in the FFOF.
Young plants do not need much nutrition from the FFOF soil, and a lot of times actually develop nutrient burns. B'Cuzz is a soilless mix, much like ProMix but a bit lighter. It contains no nutritional value, but it drys well. Evenly wetting and drying allows the the plant to get its nutrients and oxygen from the soil.
 
Illicithunter

Illicithunter

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ProHuman said:
Why are you adding all that other stuff to your FFOF?
That is a great soil already composed with everything most cannabis strains grow in perfectly.

The only reason I add the B'Cuzz, is to dilute the concentration of nutrients in the FFOF.
Young plants do not need much nutrition from the FFOF soil, and a lot of times actually develop nutrient burns. B'Cuzz is a soilless mix, much like ProMix but a bit lighter. It contains no nutritional value, but it drys well. Evenly wetting and drying allows the the plant to get its nutrients and oxygen from the soil.
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I'm actually snagging some clones I'm gonna put into 1 gal pots. They should be ok. All you do is make 3 different batches of soil, seeding-veg-bloom and keep it all in those sweet air tight bins waiting for the next grow. All the ratios are on packaging. Shouldn't be a problem and you know I got a year worth of additives for the soilless mixes. Should turn out well. Worth the time and you know all these properly added ingredients are gonna send the yields for a year way higher than normal.
 
GrowerGoneWild

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Illicithunter said:
Layering sounds like even more of a challenge to me than just mixing really well. I don't wanna screw up any of the soil with this being my first cook. Let's see how plants react to the all the mixed pots before all that...
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Pretty simple.. ammended/supersoil on bottom half of container regular soil on top half.

For the most part the ammended soil with a long cook time(60+days) should be safe.. I'm mixing in more and more with the top layer and im not having problems. I would be cautious about putting seedlings in a heavily ammended mix.. if you mix up a batch of super, you'll understand.
 
Illicithunter

Illicithunter

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GrowerGoneWild said:
Pretty simple.. ammended/supersoil on bottom half of container regular soil on top half.

For the most part the ammended soil with a long cook time(60+days) should be safe.. I'm mixing in more and more with the top layer and im not having problems. I would be cautious about putting seedlings in a heavily ammended mix.. if you mix up a batch of super, you'll understand.
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I've been thinking for a couple that why not just put seedlings in a super weak mixture. Or none at all. Then transplant to enriched soil.
 
Illicithunter

Illicithunter

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greasemonkeymann said:
careful, I personally wouldn't add anything more than what I said, vermifire is pretty rich already, and you could mess some stuff up.
If you are wanting a good soil, id also add worm casting or a good compost too, and maybe a bag or two of biochar.
if you want to re-use your soil i'd def get biochar, and add some slow release minerals too, like oyster shells, greensand, etc.
I wouldn't add more than a total of a cup of amendments per bag.
1/4 of crab meal, 1/4 of neem meal, 1/4 of kelp meal, and 1/4 cup of rock dusts (azomite, rck phosphates, basalt, granite dust, etc)
for every 1.5 cubic feet of vermifire (one bag) i'd also add about a full gallon of compost or EWC, could probably add a lil less if it's fresh EWC
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Got the following, most of it based off what you said. Store didn't have the vermiform though.

1. Ocean Forrest
2. B'cuzz Hydromix
3. Wiggle Room EWC
4. Planters 2 Trace Minerals
5. Vital Earth Glacial Rock
6. Down to Earth kelp meal
7. Down to Earth crab meal
8. Down to Earth neem sead meal

...so your saying add no more than 1/4 cup off everything except the EWC, and to add a gallon of that per bag of Ocean Forrest? I'm gonna mix all additives to the B'cuzz mix first and after that mix it up with the Ocean Forrest. Adding more B'cuzz mix per different ratios.
I'm mixing the B'cuzz last to avoid hot spots.
 
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Illicithunter

Illicithunter

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So I'm gonna transplant the clones into just B'cuzz+Ocean Forrest.
The only cooking I'm gonna do is for the flower cycle. Here's the recipe.
Will let cook for 30 days, then use.image.jpg
 
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